S3 E36. From Player to Coach: Logan Wisnauskas’ Lax Journey, A Compilation.

In this episode of Get the Lax Scoop, hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird welcome Logan Wisnauskas, a standout lacrosse player known for his exceptional career at the University of Maryland and beyond. The discussion covers Logan's early influences in lacrosse, his remarkable high school career at Boys' Latin, and his college years where he broke records and earned the Tewaaraton Award. Logan also shares insights into his transition into coaching, his philosophies on lacrosse, and his current role as the offensive coordinator for Brown University's lacrosse team. The episode is a deep dive into Logan's journey, from his childhood playing with his dad to his notable professional and coaching career, emphasizing the importance of hard work, perseverance, and selflessness in achieving success.

00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop Podcast

00:51 Welcoming the Guest: Logan “the Wiz” Wisnauskas

04:32 Logan's Early Lacrosse Memories

06:56 High School Lacrosse Journey

14:13 College Lacrosse Highlights

18:06 The Mindset of a Champion

20:05 Promoting the Recruiting Book

21:05 Memorable Moments and Gratitude

22:03 Inspiration to Coach

22:47 Coaching Journey Begins

23:22 Offensive Strategies and Team Dynamics

24:36 Joining High Point and Brown

28:59 Collaborative Coaching Philosophy

30:17 Reflections on the Season

33:35 Favorite Spots in Providence

35:36 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was the captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training, helping the next generation of lacrosse players get to the next level well, lacrosse fans, welcome to another episode of Get the Lack Scoop. Now our next guest was the 2022 ton award winner, a year in which his mighty terrapins of the University of Maryland, in large part due to his efforts. Enjoyed one of the greatest seasons in men's college lacrosse history. They not only beat their competition going undefeated on the year, but in 90% of their contests, and we're using the term contest loosely here, they completely annihilated the competition, evidenced by a scoring differential and other gaudy statistics that resided somewhere up in the stratosphere. Wow. Jack, you're really laying it on thick with this introduction tonight. Listen, exact numbers are not known, but we will tell you it was being closely monitored by NASA at the time. Oh my God. And the post-traumatic stress of their opponents cared for by the National Institute of Health, whether the rest of the lacrosse world liked it or not. And to be honest, I often got the sense most really didn't. 2022 was the year of Tedo. The turtle. And in that season our next guest don the hardest of the hard shells as he led their pack. And in fact, the nation in total offensive output with 61 goals, 41 assists and an impressive 103 points. That's'cause he had 42 assists. That Mark was good enough to set the all time record endpoint in a season at Maryland as he shattered the all time record for goals and points in a career as well at his alma mater. A program utterly steeped in lacrosse tradition. To put it mildly, the 2022 season was a wonderful culmination of many years of effort for this terrapin. A three time all American attack man who held from boys Latin in Baltimore, who as a senior was a first team all USA today and Under Armor All American and the Baltimore Messenger Lacrosse player of the year. Upon graduation at College Park, he was the number one pick in the 2022 PLL draft. He was selected as an all-star in 2022 and 2023. Missed the 2024 season due to an injury and currently is playing for the first place. Denver Outlaws. This player is also a coach Ron. He was a volunteer assistant at High Point in 2023 and 2024 and 2024. He helped the Panthers achieve a big mid-season win against UNC and go to the Atlantic 10 semifinals in 2025. He served in his first season at Brown as the squad's offensive coordinator, assisting the bears in winning the Ocean State Cup with victories over Providence College and Bryant, as well as engineering a one goal win versus nationally ranked UMass. Here he is the man, also known, not surprisingly as the whiz. Please welcome the one, the only Logan Wizowski, Jay McMahon. That Logan, you should just know that was unequivocally the most incredible introduction Jay has ever done. logan. You deserve all of those accolades. But it seems to me that Jay might be a little bored this summer. He's got a little time on his hands. Got, I was a little bored and it was, I was just like, why not have some fun with this? I stayed at it a couple hours worth. Why not? All right, Jay, may I proceed with the questions for our guests? Please, please, Ron, please do so. All right, so Logan onto the questions. I. Logan, what's kind of fun for us is just understanding where people started in the game and, reading a little bit about you. I didn't know your dad, played over on the shore at Salisbury and won a D three National Championship himself. It's kind of cool. I'm sure there's not many father son combinations, both with national championships, both playing for teams in the great state of Maryland. I might add. So I mean, you know, it's, I guess it's kind of easy to assume that you, you maybe grew up with a stick in your hand with your dad, but, what were kind of your earliest memories of playing, um, the game of lacrosse and who were your big influences? I mean, yeah, you just kind of hit the nail on the head there. It's growing up, there's a baby picture of me, coming home from the hospital with a, a stick in my hand and my dad kind of threw the stick in my hand lefty. And, here I am today lefty. that's kind of all I remember from, my childhood days or, playing in the backyard with my dad, playing lacrosse, three, four years old playing the pockets with the, the plastic stick. I remember those days like it was yesterday. Um, you know, it's a lot of fun and, I just all thanks in the world to, you know, my dad for, showing me the sport and, just kind of, let me do what I want to do. But, kind of, showing me lacrosse and kind of, coaching me throughout the years and then kind of, handing me off towards, the club teams and the, and the high schools of the world. But, you know, it, I owe all the thanks in the world to, to my dad for, kind of showing me the. That's great. And so right from the beginning you had it in your left hand. And we'll get into a little bit of your high school football career, but I, I've seen a few highlights online of you throwing some beautiful passes with your right hand. Yeah. And you're pretty dominant left hand, so that was always from the very beginning. Yeah, no, I, I always say if I could go back and play another sport, it would definitely play foot play football again. just, there's nothing better than the Friday night lights, right. Like growing up, I just remember like the car rides with my dad and, he'd be playing Metallica and I'd kind of be in the back. Going to war with my, all, my, my gear on, just ready to go mouthpiece in just listening to one by Metallica. Um, you know, those were, those were the days, the, the orange mouths at halftime. kind of all that stuff. I'm forever grateful for that stuff. And Sykesville Raiders, those were, those were good days. Very cool. Yeah. And you were lighting it up, in high school too. Well, Tom Brady esque, six three pocket pastor. But, but let's get back to lacrosse, Ron. Back to, your boys Latin lacrosse experience. Logan. You know,, I, it's hard for guys like Jay and those long islanders to understand what it is to play a full schedule of competitive games. You know, they, they, they maybe have three or four tough games in a, in a season. And as you know, that MIA schedule is a meat grinder every single week, every single game. it's a battle. So tell us, tell us about some of your favorite memories playing at BLL bl and in the MIAA as we know the, the best across in the country. I'm sure you'll agree with me, Logan, that you mean Long Island, the best lacrosse. So, anyway, Logan, tell talk, tell us about the high school, lacrosse career. Obviously, you had tremendous success, but what are some of your big memories from your lacrosse career at bl? Yeah, it, it was an awesome experience. I, if I could go back and do it over again, I'd do it, 10 times over, freshman year, not making the varsity squad, just, having guys in it in front of me, like Colin Cock, Shaq Stanwick, kind of the, the Colin Shells of the world. oh yeah. Playing, playing on JV my freshman year. playing with a, a guy of the name of Pat Spencer on our, attack line, was pretty fun. we won the, the JV championship that year. you and, and Pat Spencer. That's nice. So Logan, here's, here's a crazy, connection. I coached Pat Spencer in U 12 in North Kingstown Rhode Island when he lived in Rhode Island for a few years. And he played with, we had, Joey Minow who played at, at, duke. Yes. Yep. He, our attack was Pat Spencer and Joey Minow. on the u twelves and we had Mad Ow and his brother who played at Army in the midfield and talk about annihilating people. Jay. Yeah. So it that, it's so funny. That's great. Yeah. That I coached him as a little kid. But anyway, keep going with their bl experience. I, I'd rather take Logan and Pat Spencer, but hey. Joey was good. I'd take either one Saint too. He just, Saint he was at, started at St. Mary's transferred to bl, so I know, I know. I didn't know that. Wow. Yeah. so moving into kind of sophomore year, that was an awesome year. We were kind of, crowned as, as National Championship champions, I guess that year in 2014, super special. Oh, that's right. I saw that. Yeah. Going undefeated. playing with those guys, learning a lot, from those guys in front of me. And then kind of, moving into to kind of junior year, being able to kind of step on the field and, and play a little more. And then kind of moving into my senior year, with going in through the coaching change of, coach Shriver kind of retiring, oh, Shriver retired. Yeah. What whatcha talking about Coach Shriver? He, he was one of my coaches on the U 19, USA team. Oh, was he? Yeah. So went on a trip. Great. Go Moga. Oh yeah. Jim. S Jay. Jay Jay. Get it over to Garth, get it to gar you and Towers. Never give Garth a ball. Too many Christmas, right? Yeah. Pace of work. Yeah. Once he, kind of, you know, retired after my junior year and then coach Ferrell stepping in, who's, still kind of talked to him to this day. he was awesome. Kind of, you know, being there for his first year, kind of, you know, being there to help him out. he is freaking awesome dude. Awesome coach. the rest of the staff as well. I can, echo that, but, it was an awesome experience and one that I would definitely, definitely live over again if I could. Nice. Logan, one thing I just wanna, I just want to note, and Jay and I have talked about this before. All kidding aside, obviously Jay played at Garden City, was a tremendous high school program. Uh, hearing your story and knowing the kind of player you were in college and you are today in the pros, JV is a freshman. Didn't sound like you saw a lot of go as a sophomore, right. Seeing the field as a junior and then like kids today just think if they're not playing on varsity as a freshman, the world's over. And that, that sense of working your way. Towards that achievement over time is just, seems like something that gets so lost today. But yet player after player like you, who's elevated to the highest level, Hey man, player of the year, you gotta, you gotta work your way up. Especially in great programs, right? same thing freshman never made varsity at St. Mary's and you were lucky to find the field as a sophomore,'cause you had to, you had to earn your way through some great players to get on the field, Right, right. No doubt. And Dylan Malloy being I mean, it doesn't say much for your team if you're the best player in the team in 10th grade, I mean, you got, let's say, Logan's behind Pat Spencer, Yeah. You're not, you're not putting him on the bench. Right. I mean, it's it's crazy. Yeah, I agree. you paid your dues and then you, it became an all time great. Exactly. It's at the end of the day, it's if you like where you are, work hard, if you don't like where you are, make sure you're working hard. And the, that freshman, sophomore year, you hit the nail on the head. It's like I didn't really, play too much. Yeah. I was playing kind of in the summer with the crabs, but, kind of emphasizing working hard and, and realizing that, my time's gonna gonna come, uh, which it did kind of junior and senior year, which I'm, forever grateful for, for, coach Iver and coach, coach Ferrell kind of, believe in me and kind of having me out on the field. That's great. All right. Logan, in your high school days, who was your toughest matchup? Do you remember a guy that really you just fricking battled with? Uh, defender? Anybody come to mind? That's a good question. it's nobody could cover me. hey, truth is truth. If that's just the reality. I'll have to think about that one and get back to you. All right. All right, Ville. I know BU was a mid, but where did he play? in high school, he was at Mount St. Joe. So were there any offensive guys you dod with that you were I'm playing costume, be looking, or I'm playing somebody and being all right, I gotta outdoor this guy. Yeah, Brian was a good one. I mean, you could kind of go down the list of every team kind of in the MIA of guys that they had, kind of Loyola Cole Williams at the time who played at Hopkins, McDonough who had, Jackson Mor, who I played with at Crabs. Right, right. Who went to Yale. you can kind of go, down the list and kind of, who's who kind of Right. Back then. Yeah. Remember Cole Williams was a big, big gun for Hopkins. Yeah. Yeah. And then, the next thing we were wanted to talk about was just the people who you mentioned Coach Shriver and Coach Ferrell, but you're in this kind of pivotal time in your life at Boys Ladin while you're in high school and you're, you're playing travel. you mentioned you had some great coaches with the crabs who were the, who were people who were just really influential with you, who kept you kind of on track and didn't let you get. Negative if you're not getting tons of playing time as a sophomore and getting in the mix as a junior. Yeah, so, so Logan Jay likes to write some questions that are, are novels. And so you're gonna have to, it's really, you're gonna have to, Jay, I'll read the question. Thank you. Uh, I just wanna prepare Logan, that if you need to take a bathroom break, if you wanna, take another drink. This is gonna be a while. Um, but I think I'm ready. As, as Jay said, this next question is gonna rehash some history. Um, Jay thinks you should stay with it'cause there's some big payoff at the end. That's how he's setting this question up for me. Okay, Logan, uh, let's stick with it. Now we've read that during that 2018 red shirt freshman year, you had one, uh, you had one of the best statistical seasons. WW or a freshman. I mean, what's wrong with you? I'll read it. We've read that it during 28. This doesn't make any sense, Jay. It does had one of the best statistical seasons for a freshman ever. I just started on attack on a Maryland team that would make it to the final four in 2019. You guys lost a UVA in the quarters in OT and you had another stellar season making All American. Then in 2021 as a senior, you guys go undefeated in the regular season and the playoffs until losing the UVA in the finals 1716 at one of the best games and best finals of all time, which is a fact in which you had five. That was, that was a hell of a game. I was at that game. That was sick. Yeah, that was amazing. And then it was funny'cause Logan had been a counselor for my son Luke, at a Mark Millen camp, and he was I didn't know he was that good. Well, you just saw him at Camp Luke, I don't know. Oh, I love working those things. He was in like seventh grade or something. But anyway, that was an amazing performance and a hell of a game and all that sets up one of the best seasons of any team all time. And then for yourself, one of the best individual performances, as you guys run the table, you win the ton award, the national title and set the University of Maryland Terrapins all time goals. End points record. And Ron, you can finish it off. So there is a question now. There it is. Um, we gotta ask you, because none of us here, and most likely, none of our audiences out there would've any idea how a season like that feels. You know, I mean, the reality is very few athletes get to experience all of what Jay just described that you had in that senior year. So, you know, what, what were the, what are the, the big. Feelings that you take away from that, that season? You know, is there the sense of vindication, of, of, you know, getting over the top and winning the championship, all those accomplishments. What, what are your big takeaways? What was it like going through that? I think my one word I think to, sum all that up is just gratitude. Right? It's, I remember just like, in 2017, just like kind of sitting in my locker in the carrier dome, just kind of, wondering if I'm ever gonna kind of play on the, college lacrosse stage and, kind of fast forward a year later, coach Tillman, taking a chance on me, not guaranteeing, not guaranteeing me anything, kind of coming to College Park. And, kind of having to work for, everything that was kind of, in front of me. being able to, put the Maryland jersey on, was, something truly special. And something that with every game that came. I was ready to kind of, put it all out there and just, as, a little kid. And I remember growing up that we kind of talked about before with that was playing with my dad, in the backyard, just, trying to make that kid proud. that's kind of what I tried to do, kind of, from, from 2018 all the way to, 2022, which, saying it out seems like a long time, but, it goes by quick. Um, but mm-hmm. I, I enjoyed, every single moment of it. Um, just kind of, ending it the way that we did was, truly special. Um, I can honestly say that it was, it was one of the three best days of my life, right? With the two to come being, one being a wedding and then the next being my, my firstborn. Um mm-hmm. it was the, the best day of my life. Um, just. Working so hard for that. Um, being able to, hoist that plaque with, 49 of your, your, your best friends, kind of right there with you in a, in a d sweaty dog pile. Um, and then just kind of the embraces the hugs with, coach coaching staff, um, kind of all your friends, just like, we put in the work, like we did this, like we did this together. How about if we, how about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. What Logan Wiska just said was so powerful and it is so important. I wanna reiterate it right here, right now. When Logan was recruited to the University of Maryland, coach John Tillman didn't promise him anything. No guaranteed playing time, no special treatment. What he got was an opportunity. An opportunity to show up, compete, and earn his spot. And you know what happened? That mindset. Focusing on earning, not demanding, led to Logan working his rear end off winning the Ton Award and the National Championship in 2022. Now, contrast that with what we see far too often today. Many players want guarantees before they even step on the field. They demand playing time. They demand NIL deals. But here's the reality. When you start your college career expecting everything to be handed to you. You're setting yourself up for a short run. The players who make it far, the ones who become champions, show up hungry. They embrace competition. They know nothing is given, and that's exactly why they work so hard to take it. So here's the takeaway. The right mindset is to earn everything. Don't ask, what will you give me? Ask, what can I do to prove I belong here? Which totally coincides with a phrase often used by another two time national championship coach and two time guest on the show, Lars, Tiffany, expect nothing. Earn everything. Because the truth is the players who keep that attitude, not just in college but in life, are the ones who not only make it to the top, they stay there. Like Logan, be the kind of player who says. Give me the chance and I'll do the rest. This type of player comes with their own guardrails while the others have none. Speaking of no guardrails that so many of our listeners describe the college lacrosse recruiting trail. So we've responded by putting excerpts of our 10 best interviews with legendary coaches, such as bill Tierney, Lars, Tiffany and Andy towers. Into a book that you can access on Kindle, it is available on Amazon, under the title inside the recruiting game insights from college lacrosse coaches. You will find a link to the book in our show notes. Now we will return to our interview and you will find that interview in progress. Um, it's, it was awesome and, it was awesome to kind of leave College Park, having, won a, won a ring. Um, that was definitely something that I wanted to do. Kind of, growing up since. We mentioned before that, my dad won the, won a ring for 94 and, kind of a, a fun fact he won the national championship, in College Park. So, uh, wow, that's awesome. Yes, it definitely, very special. Um, I remember the fall of 22 when we kind of went back, for alumni weekend and, and we got our rings. Um, we, we got a picture, on the, on the m and we, we both were kind of, knuckling, holding our rings together. Um, that's beautiful. Kind of the, the father-son combo. Um, just kind of to, to wrap it all up. So, um, I'm forever eternally grateful for, coach Tillman, coach Reppert at the time, taking a chance on me, coach, coach Bernhardt, um, and then coach, Benson coming along. you know, just e eternally grateful for those guys for, giving me the opportunity to, to be able to play and, kind of, kind of wear that jersey across my chest. That's great. That's amazing. And, yeah, and you definitely couldn't take it for granted, right? It's like you guys did blow just about everybody out, that year, but still, you know, you don't know until that last whistle sounds and the, the championship game's over that you won and that was just phenomenal. And, uh, you mentioned Coach Tillman. I mean, he's obviously an amazing coach. And so were you thinking about, when did you first start thinking about picking up the coaching profession yourself? Was that when you were in high school, or were you starting to think about it right there in college and, and who were your biggest influences on becoming a coach? Yeah, I kind of always had it in the back of my mind, like with my dad, like dad coaching me kind of growing up. It was like, I've had so many, like good mentors, over the years, just kind of, pay me, their kind of knowledge. And it was always just kind of in the back of my mind was like, I had so many great coaches, the, our offensive coordinator at, at bl like Coach Ubco, those dudes of the world. Like I had so many great mentors that, taught me so much. Mm-hmm. And you, I just, I, I felt as if I would be in debt one day if I didn't kind of pass that knowledge forward. And so I, I've kind of always had that in the back of my mind and, just, I'm so thankful for, coach Tope for giving me that opportunity, in the, the summer of 2022, hiring me. Mm-hmm. after I graduated from Maryland and, kind of the, the rest is history from there, just being on his staff. But, I've kind of always had it in the back of my mind just, being in the cross. Like, I, I never really wanted a, wanted a desk job or anything from nine to five. Like, I, I can't really, sit at a desk for that long. mm-hmm. I gotcha. I'm, I'm grateful to still be in the sport, being able to coach and being able to play at the same time as well. Right. Yeah, I remember that offense, that kind of positionless offense that Coach Bobby Benson ran was really amazing. Did he, I'm just, did he run that at Hopkins too? It seemed different. I mean, you guys were like an absolute machine really for two years. 2021 and 2022. So tell, tell me about that. I think it was just a combination of just a bunch of selfless players, right? It's, you have, the Kyle Longs of the world, Anthony DEOs, that, were starting the party and, they're dodging down the alley and they're, they're throwing the ball through X right? And they, they get it to the backside. And then we, that's where we have, a a lot of good stuff. You have, 2022, Jonathan Donville, who's, the number one NLL pick in the right guy for a reason, right? And we got him out of the portal from Cornell. He was an integral part of the, of that, that team as well. Right. And then, yeah, you have Keegan Khan, from Villanova that comes in and just, selfless players of Yeah, whatever the team needs, right? I just wanna win. So, had a lot of those guys and, it was just, awesome kind of being around, just nothing but selfless players and, and selfless individuals, selfless human beings. Right. Gotcha. So it was a great combination, same offense, different players.'cause it made it look, you guys were just amazing and the, the ball was just always moving. So it was really cool to watch. You mentioned, I think I had under, my notes that it started in 24, but did you start, were you at High Point for 22 and 23? Fill us in on your Yes, I was, I was there for the 23 year. Yep. 2324. I was there for two years. And then once Coach Toby got hired at Brown, kind of moved up to up to Brown with him. Gotcha. And then, did you know Coach Doby beforehand, or had you just applied for an open position? How did that interaction start? Oh, I didn't, it was funny, I kind of reached out to Coach Benson, once I graduated, just all right, what, what do I do now? here we are, right? I finished college, what am I gonna do? And my parents are kinda dodging me just you got a job? And I'm well. so I kind of reached out to Ben, coach Benson, and he was yeah, let me kind of ask around and, within, I. 20, 30 minutes. I had a text from Coach Tope just Hey man, I'm in the area of Maryland. let's, let's meet up, let's get some lunch. love to, love to meet and kind of catch up with you. I, I met him during prime recruiting hours and, I tell the story all the time, I, I fell in love with the guy right at the table. Like, I, I didn't have to, go down to High Point and kind of, like tour and kind of like see around just like, mm-hmm well, I'm looking at this school, right? I'm looking at this school, my coach here. It's like, I, I wanted to work with that guy. Like I, I, I truly love that guy. Um, working with him, uh, it was awesome and I'm just, grateful that he kind of, took, took a leap and kind of, trusted in me at that time. And, and hired me. Um,'cause I heard a lot of great things. one of my former teammates, Bryce Young, was a, uh, volunteer assistant at, uh, at High Point with him, prior. And, just kind of talking to him, just kind of picking his brain, just like, what's up with, coach Torpe, he is like, dude, you're gonna, you're gonna love him. And he was, he was right. So That's great. I just love working with him. Love, love, uh, love him and his family. He was great people, great family, He is great. Great coach. Yeah. And talk about a work ethic, right? We had, uh, Jamie Monroe on, and he had worked with Jamie Monroe back at University of Denver. And, uh, Jamie's like pretty high energy guy to begin with. like they would play basketball against each other to a hundred and like, you had to win by four or something like that. And then, uh, Jamie's like, people say people get a lot done before noon. He is like, I'm not kidding. On a Monday, he'll get more done by 10:00 AM than you're gonna get done all week long. He's like, this guy is off the chain. So it's a great guy for you to be learning from, from what I hear. Yeah. I don't, I don't doubt it. I wish we would play some more basketball and stuff we haven't played yet, but Oh yeah. Get him back out there hard. Get on the hardwood with coach. Be good. Jamie told a story too, like. They're like, all right, we're gonna run this ultra marathon. it's not even just a regular marathon, it's like a 50 mile race or something. And they're like, tu, you're running that race with us in a couple months. You might wanna do some running with us or something. And he did not do any running. And then he tried to win the race, and he practically did. Jamie said they got lost him. And the leaders are three miles ahead of everyone, and they make a wrong turn and they come back. And I think he's, Jamie could run long distance like nobody's business. And I think in the end, RP doesn't look like a long distance guy to me, but I could have him wrong. But anyway, he's, I'm sure he'll, I'm sure he'll appreciate that comment, Jack. Yeah, no comment there. Still. He's just a nut, Motor's always gone. So that's, Hey, hey Logan. we're, we're we, we had Coach Tope on and, and uh, I can see what you say. He is just a guy. You immediately. Uh, feel a connection to, and as a coach and a recruiter, it just must be, he must be such a great guy to play with. And then authenticity, what you're getting right away. Right. And Logan, I guess, there's not many guys, what, a couple years outta college in the game today, where you're named offensive coordinator. So, talk about the, the confidence placed in you to, to run that end of a, uh, of the field is still, a pretty young coach. And I'd love to hear, from all your experience, uh, starting off at Syracuse, playing for incredible coaches at BL Coach Tillman and, and Coach Benson at Maryland and now on the pros. How has that shaped your offensive philosophy and how would you describe how you want to teach guys to play offense and be successful at Brown? I think it's, it's a little bit of kind of, everyone kind of mashed together, right? It's a little bit of, what I learned in high school, right? What I learned in college, and, it, it's kind of, it's very collaborative, right? It's not just kind of me of, coach tope, just here's the O here's the D, and it's I'm gonna sit back here and I'm gonna, yell at the refs or whatever I'm gonna do, right? It's, it's very collaborative, right? He kind of comes up, he is like, well, what about this? And then we'll kind of, talk about it and then be like, all right, well, what about this scenario? So, very collaborative, kind of in that sense. Just, bouncing ideas, back and forth of each other. we have. Great office dynamic, right? There's, some of our best ideas, come from the other side of the ball, right? It'll be, a, the defensive coach, just like, dude, you gotta do this. instead, what, whatever the, the motion play action may be. And it's like, we try and it's like, yeah, that gives our defense fits. Like you should, I was gonna say, right. He knows what, what is tough to cover, right? Yeah. No, and, and vice versa too. It's like, well, what, what if you did this like defensively? And it's like, oh yeah. I never really thought about that. So, very collaborative. Right. I know a lot of coaching staffs have kind of put up silos, but, we kind of, doors down. Like we're all, all ears kind of in the office and, it's very collaborative and I, I, I love working with, with Coach Tope and, kind of the, the other coaches as well, just kind of bouncing ideas off of each other. That's great. Yeah. I watched a number of the games online and they really did have no quit, No, I mean, obviously the end result wasn't, the record wasn't what you wanted, but you still had very good wins. you win that Ocean State Cup for the first time in a while, had a big win over UMass. It was a one goal win and then all the other game, literally they did not stop fighting no matter what the score was in any game. So, they really did have quite a character, that team, high character. No doubt. as coaches too, we can appreciate so much. our guys would never quit. Right? doesn't matter, what the scoreboard read. our guys never quit. They fought tooth and nail to the end, which we love completely. Yeah. watching that team over the year and you know, it's always tough, right? When as you were alluding to Logan, you're coming in new coaching staff, you're trying to apply new principles and, new approaches and it always takes a team a while to adjust to that. But the difference between that team in week one and two and then I, the Cornell game was one for me. You look at what Cornell did as they moved on through the playoffs. Yeah. And you look at the way you guys played them late in the year that that team came a long, long way. And I think anybody who was really watching and paying attention, it gets you excited about what's to come. I mean, yeah, no doubt. Right? Like the, the Cornell, like, I'm sure you guys, you know, saw like the inside lacrosse articles of, you know, starting our, our Scout team. Um, you know, we have, we do scrimmages like each week, um, just like whoever wins that scrimmage, like they start and, you know, that's, you know, part of, you know, being around with Coach Tope is like, you know, everyone's engaged. It's not like, right, here are the starters, here are the backups, and that's how it is, right? Like, there's a clear line in between, like, we're, we're not about that at all. Like as a staff, it's like with that, those dirt dive scrimmages, right? If the, you know, if the scout quote unquote scout team wins, it's like. They're starting in the game and they're playing, so, right. That was amazing. You're, you're bringing it kind of week in and week out. Um, you know, you kinda let your guard down, you know, you think, you know, man, I'm the starter. Like I, I'm good. Like I got this. It's like, you know, there's guys that are kind of, you know, biting at your heels kind of behind you, um, and kind of, you know, saw that like that week. But, you know, just kind of like telling our guys, like throughout the summer, it's like, we were tied with the national champions was seven minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Right. We were, you know, a minute 30 away and, and a bad call from, you know, beating Harvard. Um, so we, we were like so close, just, you know, a, a couple of. You know, kind of things that, you know, we needed to go our way from an execution standpoint, but, um, you know, just kind of, you know, harping on that stuff, you know, this summer and then, you know, coming back, hitting the ground, running this fall will be, you know, huge.'Cause you know, at the end of the day, like it's gonna be great that having, you know, 15 new guys, whereas, you know, we kind of came in, you know, last summer we had, you know, 50 freshmen, you know, sitting in front of us, right. This mm-hmm. Seniors to lead when they don't know, like what they're leading or what they're doing or saying. So, right. It's gonna be awesome. Kind of, you know, having much less, uh, number of freshmen, um, and, and being able to, you know, kind of coach those guys, coach those guys up,'cause, you know, excited for what's to come, you know, what's coming in our locker room. Um, you know, definitely gonna miss the guys that are leaving, but, excited for what's to come. this coming year, Logan you know, let's get to the important stuff. Favorite restaurants in Providence? Oh, hard hitting questions. oh man, I, I don't know if there's one that I could nail down. I just say the whole Federal Hill, whole Federal Hill. You can't go with a bad spot over there. There's so many Italian places over there. The, the pen olive vodka from, Constantino's. you can't go wrong with that. you can Nice, nice choice guys. Getting Know the town. Jay, how about, uh, where, where's your go-to lunch spot on Third Street, Logan. Go to East Side Pockets. Nice. Oh man. East side Pockets. I love that. Was there when we were there. Yes. Been around a while, man. That's amazing. The chicken. Chicken euro wrap. Nothing better. Yeah. Love it. Great call. Love it. What was your guys' favorite spot? East Side Pockets was up there. Hundred percent. There you go. Definitely was up. It's love. A little Louis's for breakfast on Saturday, Sunday. That's like, oh really? Greasy spoon. Is that still there dog? It is still there. Louis' is still there. I mean Louis was like 103 when we were there. I mean it must be Louis Junior at this point. Yeah, but it, same thing Logan though. Federal Hills always The place you went to when you were looking for. When the parents came into town. Yeah. You had'em, you know, take us over to Federal Hill. Yeah. Mom and dad doesn't pay for you a good meal. Yeah. You got exactly, exactly dog likes to get a little Parmesan cheese on his dish. Little shredded cheese. The parents took us out. This is like a thing we always bring up and dogs like talking a hundred miles an hour. Hard to imagine that. Right? It's like, I just love it. I love Italian food. I, I love getting that, the Parmesan cheese and all of a sudden our friend's mom goes, Ron, that's my dish. It was, it was a red sausage dish covered in Parmesan cheese. White. Hand it over to this poor little lady. You put it in front of me. I'm gonna chase it up. Logan. You know, it was like, and can we get another container of Parmesan cheese, please? No doubt about it Reminds me of that one commercial, the guy just like, more, more. And he is like, I'll tell you when to stop. Yeah, exactly right. That's what it was like. Well, hey Logan, it is. It's been really awesome to get to know you and have this conversation. We're absolutely. You know, I mean, I think I, I know I speak for Jay as, as two alums. We're, we're, it's, we're so proud to have someone of your caliber, both at a, a personal level and a lacrosse level, with Coach Thorpe. And as lacrosse fans. Yeah. I mean, you know, you guys are just great people who love the game, who, and work your tails off. And I, and I, I'm gonna say, you know, Jay, that, that Coach Tope and, and Coach Wisneski, they're brown skaters, baby. They're grinders, you know? A hundred percent. They're brown skaters. Come on. I couldn't agree more. And as far as the team, you know, not never quitting last year, it's a reflection of the coaching staff. a hundred percent right? you're, you're getting the most outta your guys. And that, that's key to winning. No doubt about it. So we're, we're super excited to have you guys and really join us tonight, Logan. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me on. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it. Awesome. All right. With you guys. Absolutely. Thank you. Go Bruno. Go Bruno. Until we meet again. Here's to hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the get the lax scoop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.