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The 'Get the Lax Scoop' podcast, hosted by Ron, The Big Dawg, Dalgliesh and Jaybird (Jay McMahon), welcomes listeners to a three-part interview series featuring Brown Athletic Hall of Famers Jamie and Neil Monroe. The podcast delves into their experiences as former collegiate lacrosse players and leading figures in the sport. Key points include Neil's journey from a freshman benchwarmer to a standout player and Jamie's transition from Yale assistant coach to head coach at Denver, focusing on his innovative approach to recruiting and building successful lacrosse programs. Further, the podcast highlights Jamie's move from college coaching to founding 3D and later JM3, emphasizing contemporary skill acquisition theories and the importance of ecological dynamics in player development. The episode concludes with inspirational anecdotes about the Monroes' relentless athletic drive and insights into the superhuman reserve, encouraging listeners to push their limits.
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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was the captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. And Joining us in the studio, Steve Grisolfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training, helping the next generation of lacrosse players get to the next level. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Get the Lack Scoop podcast. Today, we are sharing the second portion of our three part interview series with Brown Athletic Hall of Famers and brothers, Jamie and Neil Monroe. If you have not listened to part one, We highly recommend you go back and do so. As it ties in beautifully to what we discussed going forward, you will find this interview in progress. All right, Neil, enough, Jamie, Neil, enough, Jamie, let's get, let's, let's get to you. All right. As I mentioned, I, you know, one of the fun things about this podcast is like, you know, you know, guys forever, you play with them, but it's not like you're really asked these kinds of questions. So, you know, thinking back of like you being that we talked about you being, you know, a team defensive and offensive MVP, how, how did you become that player? You know, not every attack man grows up wanting to ride their ass off and pick up crazy, every loose ball in the offensive end. But you know, those of us who know the game know if you give, especially the of offenses, you played with a few extra possessions, a game, you're gonna win a lot of games that come from those plays. So anyway, I'm just wondering, like, how did you become that kind of player that really distinguished your style, the way you played? Yeah, I think it happened freshman year in my first game, a couple of us at the end of the bench were joking that I could have probably still had my jeans on under my sweats because Dom didn't even look my way. And when you looked at the attackman that we had, you know, towers in the middies with low and obviously the other way around and UJ, I realized that I had to find a way to make a mark. And. I don't know if you guys remember, but I started getting some opportunities on the wings of the face off and I picked up a couple of GBs there and I started getting a little bit more time. And as I started getting a few more and scrapping and hustling, I started getting a couple of midday shifts. And so when I became a sophomore and it was me, Andy and Darren, two future Ivy league players of the year and first team, all Americans and nothing against those guys, but if it's not, you know, in their advantage on that GB, they're not really going for it. You know, 60, 40 for the other guy. Yeah. We'll chase that one down later. Right. So I had to figure out my niche. Right. And then when Andy moved to midfield. And I get Oliver, I'm not picking on Oliver either, but I got a better shot of getting that ball than him. So it was a little bit knowing my personnel and then Jay, I'm going to pick on you because you guys got pretty used to having me get in the hole. I remember many times seeing you go, Neil. You got this. Get back there. And so it's just, it was this self perpetuating thing, but I just started to love it. You know, you look at these Virginia teams that Lars has. They ride the shit out of the ball. And I was kind of like that early guy who was just like, I am going to go a hundred and 10 from when the ball's down until either I have to get back in the hole for Jay or Andy, or until they have it on the other side. So the only thing I think about is why Dom at that point, wasn't like this shy should be a D midi or an LSM. I don't know why he kept me on attack. That's probably the question really. That we got to kind of figure it out. It was working. You had plenty of goals, plenty of assists. No doubt. But it was, I loved it, man. We had the best time playing down there and, and scrapping that hard to get an extra. I mean, you put the ball in Darren stick one more time. You probably get another shot yourself. You know, it's, it's all worth it. There's definitely some rewards for the effort. I was going to say, Neil, I mean you know, What you're talking about to me and knowing that team is the importance of understanding how you can fill a role and make a huge contribution. Cause if I was answering that last question, I'd probably say, because you became a hell of a finisher, you know, as, as you're mentioning, there's a lot of guys on that offense who are going to draw attention, but you fricking play. And I remember a lot of times, you know, you're on the end of some of those multiple slide sequences. And you got to finish, you know, and so you, you became an engine of both starting the offense, I think with your riding and your ground balls. And then obviously you were on the, you were on the receiving end of a lot of those, you know, assists. So, yeah, no, you know, and I actually attribute a lot to hoops. He would always be like one. Get over here. He's like, you got to start contributing a little bit more, right? 20 points for an attackman is not enough. Here's what I want you to do, right? You would be like just getting in my ear, but in such a, you know, authentic hoops way where it was more of just like, you're going to be better and I'm just helping you get there. He wasn't putting you down or anything. It was really incredible. Right. That's great. Now, Jamie, as we were reviewing in the opening, you were an assistant there at Yale and your success in that position for nine years then led to you becoming the first head coach out there at Denver in the summer of 98. So tell us what that experience was like, you know, taking this club program then, you know, eventually to a playoff team, multiple times hitting the NCAA tournament. So tell us what that was like. It was really exciting. I really wanted to be a division one coach and it was at the time there was not as many programs and it was very it was very hard to become a division. And I really only got the job because everybody else turned it down. So I was pretty happy about that. And you know, it was actually division two. But it was like a club. I mean, there was, there was very few resources. Our, our office was like, there was Tier A sports and Tier B sports. And we were a Tier B sport. And the Tier B sports were like, in this like old dining hall. It was like a ghost dining hall. And I shared with my, with my assistant at the time, but I didn't care at all. All I really wanted to do was just build a program and it was an amazing opportunity. And I, Just recruited as if I was, you know, going to be winning national championships and just and it was just an amazing learning experience. I mean, it's kind of crazy. It's like being, it's like being a first time parent, though, you know, you're just like crazy about about everything and in a good way and in a great learning way. So. It really, I've always been kind of a student of the game. I learned a lot when I was at Yale. Mike Waldvogel was an incredible mentor for me and I learned a ton. And so I was able to sort of continue the learning process. But now as a head coach, you're like, you got to deal with literally everything from recruiting. I mean, our budget was so small. It was how small we talk. I had to fundraise. I mean, I probably fundraised 10 million in 11 years. Including like scholarships, including like literally everything because we just weren't getting handed it, but we, but the more we started to have some success and the more we were able to get people to chip in financially, you know, it just helped us build the whole program. And so I really got into recruiting Canadians, which was an interesting thing. So, cause I just started realizing that, you know, I wasn't going to be able to compete with the, with the Virginians of the world. Those levels of recruits, but I could get these junior a players and it really turned me on. I'd played a little bit of box across. You'd mentioned that, but it was hard to do with coaching, but I didn't know the value of it as a player. And then when I started recruiting it, I just was kind of blown away. So now were those guys like in college, the junior guys? So they're like with the junior a players already in college because I know they come in a little older right when they come to it back then because recruiting in general was older. These Canadians were older. The best kids in junior a were 21. So, I mean, I had like Jeff Snyder was like a 22 year old freshman. Wow. And I had a, I had a lot of those guys, so, so they hadn't gone to college before, although, say what? So they hadn't gone to college before? They were playing Junior a, yeah. Yeah. A lot of'em were hockey guys or they were just like, you know, they working at, you know, Tommy Tomato, Tommy Tomato, or whatever. I mean, just like waiting tables. I mean, they were just gonna be firemen or whatever. Oh, I gotcha. Jeff Snyder, but you know, that's where I recruited Brownie and I kind of got, you know, Matt Brown was actually, I got an email from Matt Brown. That was on one of your questions, Matt Brown is the current head coach at Denver now. And I got an email from this guy and it was in the early days of email, to be honest with you, it was like maybe one of the first emails I ever opened. I mean, it was like a thousand or something like that. And he was like, yeah, I'm from Burnaby, British Columbia. I'm a 17 year old. I led the, I led the BCLA in hat tricks this year and, you know, and I started looking it up and I was like, wow, this kid looks like he could be pretty good. And I went up, did a home visit, actually got a ski day in at Whistler as well. Yeah, that was pretty little benefit. But and and then I got a pipeline into into Burnaby, British Columbia. And that was like, at the time they were the best program in British Columbia. They won a lot of mental cups. It was just the junior national championship. And we had a bunch of kids to come through from, from Burnaby. And so, yeah, it was, it was obviously an amazing experience and we. We built a good program. That's cool. And then was Hilgey your first assistant? Yeah. Peter, the guy, the guy who was at McDonough is at McDonough. Peter Hilgar was his youngest brother played at Maryland. It was my assistant for the first three years. I got you. Oh yeah. You know, you, you mentioned Matt Brown, Jamie, and I think one of the, the other, like things that, that to me. You can tell a great coach when he's hired great assistants. It's like the coaching tree thing. So obviously right now you got Matt Brown. He just mentioned recruiting, you know, as the head coach out at Denver now. And I think Matt went on to be on your staff as well. And then you got John Torpy who were obviously all very interested in the new, new coach at Brown, who I think was also on your staff. So. Talk about those two guys and how, you know, how rewarding it's been to see them become head coaches and maybe particularly coach Torpy, you know, and and what you think of him taking over your alma mater. I love it. Torp and I worked together for five years. So he was 2005 through, which was Brownie's senior year, through 2009. John Torpey is an incredible guy. But you'll, you'll never meet a more personable person in your life. He's like, he, he can relate to anybody. He's absolutely hysterical, but he's also maybe the most driven, hardworking, and not just hardworking. There's a lot of people that work hard. This dude, this guy is so productive. It's insane how much this guy gets done. I'm telling you like he'll get more done before 10 a. m. on a Monday morning than most people get done in a week and I'm not even exactly he is incredible, like I said with his relationships with people. He's got a really good He's got an edge to him, but he's got a he's he can do it in a way That you still love him So like he can be hard on you without like, you know Basically being an asshole and it's like it's really it's it's a real talent honestly. And and he just He goes through his life with this sort of groundedness of family and faith and his love for the game and his love to learn and to not leave and, you know, and to be as resourceful as, as humanly possible to try to win. But also he really cares about people. So I think what you'll find is that what he's going to do for Brown is create an amazing culture. He will bring the program back. To where we want it to be as problems here on this call. And yeah, it was just an amazing experience. It was great to work with him. Hey, Jamie, I'm going to chime in. Cause he's also a complete animal for Jamie's 40th while he was at Denver. He wanted to run a 50 K. So the two of us signed up and torps is like, I'm in the corpse. He couldn't train. He had to train on an elliptical for a 31 mile race. So we all code my starting line. Not only does he beat us by an hour, but he goes an extra 5K.'cause he took the wrong turn. serious, not elliptical. He, he took the wrong turn because he actually, we, I was like, oh shoot, I got, I gotta rock on my shoe right at the beginning of the race. I'm like, I, I really need to take it out for a second. He is like, dude, I can't stop. I'm gonna like, my, my, my calf's gonna, you know, get, get stiff or something. And then he decides to try to win the race. He actually went up with the leaders and was like flying through like, he went through the first aid station and just shoved like potato chips in his face and just kept running through the entire thing because we lost them in every aid station we went to his name was like not on it was on the first one and then after that we never saw him again and we were like, because he tried to win the race and he was like right behind the leaders and then the leaders all of a sudden stopped in the middle of the woods and were like, yeah, I think we went the wrong way. Basically. He's like, wait, what? They went three miles out of the way, three miles back. And then he somehow caught up to us. Oh my God. I was going to say, he told a story. He played basketball with Jamie somewhere. Like he's like, you know, Jamie's like, Hey, you want to play some pickup basketball? It's like, next thing you know, it's 99 to 99. We're playing by one. We're both like, we're not giving up. And. Did that really happen, Jamie? We used to regularly play full court one on one, twos and threes to a hundred, win by four. Win by four. By four. It goes too fast. Yes, yeah, of course, Jamie, of course. The game to 500. We transitioned to, uh, JML. And let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute Ladies and gentlemen, what was just described is a window into what is known as the superhuman reserve. There is a hidden power inside each and every one of us, what some call the superhuman reserve. It's that untapped well of strength, intelligence, and resilience that reveals itself when we need it most. You've heard the stories. Such as a mother lifting a car off her trapped child, an athlete pushing beyond exhaustion to claim an improbable victory, an ordinary person defying impossible odds. These are not accidents. These are proof of what we all carry within us. Russian scientists studied this phenomenon as they sought ways to push their Olympic athletes beyond known human limits. They discovered that most people operate at only a fraction of their true potential, but under the right conditions, when stakes are high enough, when the mind believes beyond a doubt. Something miraculous happens. The body obeys. The impossible becomes possible. We are stronger than we seem. Smarter than we know. Capable of far more than we've been led to believe. But here's the key. It's not just about force of will. It's about allowing the miraculous to unfold. It's about trusting that within us lies something extraordinary. Something that will rise when called upon. So I ask you, on the lacrosse field, And, in life in general, what are you holding back? What would happen if you stopped doubting your own limitless nature? The superhuman reserve is not reserved for the chosen few, like coach John Torpy, who decided to Win an ultramarathon without even training. It's in all of us waiting for the moment when we stop resisting and start receiving It's time to step into the impossible because the truth is you are far more powerful than you've ever imagined Now we will return to our interview and you will find that interview picking up right where we left off Now, Neil, that, that 30 mile race is a good segue to you. I mean, you've stayed involved in athletics your whole life, but in a very different way, you know, and professionally, I know you've worked for companies like Nike and North Face and you know, as we mentioned, you're out in Idaho now and I know have been an avid skier and outdoors person. Talk about how, you know, your professional career has kept you in an athletic realm and some of the people that you've been inspired by in that work. Yeah, I worked for the North Face for, you know, over 15 years. And so it was always deeply connected in with the outdoor skiing, climbing, running, mountaineering. And I was really lucky. I got to go on some amazing trips all over the world. with renowned outdoor athletes like Jimmy Chin, Alex Honnold, for those who have seen Free Solo, the movie about the guy who climbs all the time. I've skied with Jimmy, I've climbed with Alex, you know, I've been in Yosemite with those guys, I've slept on a portal edge. Like, I've just done a lot of really cool stuff with those athletes. And you know, just kept wanting to make sure that when I got the call, I was ready. So I was always kind of making sure. That I was in shape and I was able to do almost everything because not everybody could. And when they said, Neil, do you want to come? I'd be like, I'm in the portal edge. You're off the ground by a few feet. How many feet are we talking about? We were probably like a thousand feet off the ground on the portal edge. And you know, you're tied in. It was really cool. I didn't have the best night's sleep, but it was still really cool. I mean, Sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say, Neil, what in the hell is in the Monroe blood? I mean, the freaking compete level of, I mean, like when you just go, yeah, I'll raise my hand. I'll do the 30 mile race. I'll go sleep on a ledge. Like, and, and Jamie, I'm like, good Lord, you never want to get into a competition with him. It's just like endless competition. So like what, where, where does that come from? Cause you two both have it. And you're very different, you know, but you both have that like inner drive. Thanks. It came from each other, right? We just would push and challenge each other all the time with stupid games at home to entertain ourselves. It would always turn into a fight. A fight. Nice. Yeah. Always. We'd start off like, you know, one on ones down a hallway. And then he would get me into the wall. Cause I mean, the hallways, what, like four feet and you had to try to get by the guy and then he would give me an elbow to the head and then I'd swing my stick at him and then I'd run and he'd catch me. And it was always like this nonstop brawls that we had. That's crazy. Love it. That's great stuff. And hey, one last thing though, you know, Nike, I got to, I didn't compete or play with any of the athletes, but I got to see so many amazing athletes up close and personal. And it was just. Yeah, let's hear about that. You know, I mean, being in the cafeteria and seeing MJ getting like a cheeseburger and fries 10 people in front of you. Oh my god. You know, I was once waiting for a meeting, watching TV. We had TVs everywhere around campus showing sports. And so when asked me what the score was and I look over my shoulder and it's Kobe, you know, so it was very far when you had that direct interaction, but you would see, you know, LeBron playing kickball with the daycare kids or Katie handing out coffee in the coffee shop. And so it was just, you know, everything was just about sports and about competition, about winning and being the best. And it was so inspiring, you know, and that's where it kind of keeps fueling the fire for me to keep pushing. That's great. That was all in and around the Nike campus. It was all around the Nike campus. Yeah, you would, the athletes would be there all the time and they were protected, right? I mean, like a Kobe or a LeBron, they had their sports marketing guys with them. It's almost like secret service. Keep everybody away. But every once in a while you would just have those like random encounters, like I did with Kobe. Right. That's so cool. Awesome. Now, Jamie, back in 2009, as we were talking before, you had decided to leave college coaching, resigned from Denver and then started 3D and had a ton of success there. And it was pretty innovative program. I remember seeing some of the digital library that you had for coaches to train and for kids. I mean, that was really for the club, so that was pretty neat. But let's jump ahead to then how you leave. 3D and start JM3 again, you know, being a you know, someone on the frontier there with this skills training and built this platform for players, boys, girls, and for coaches and helping a lot of kids kind of reach their dreams of playing college lacrosse and then helping a lot of coaches, whether they're, you know, early coaches, intermediate, even advanced coaches up their game. So tell us, tell us about all that innovation. And how that all came about. Well, like, like I said, I've always just been kind of a lacrosse nerd and always wanted to learn. And you know, the cool thing about 3d was that it was like a lot about my family. So I got to coach my, my kids. My son Colin who's now the offensive coordinator at Colgate, you know, was, you know, like a sixth grader or seventh grader or something like that. And so one of the reasons why I really did 3D was just so that I could like keep coaching because I love doing it, but I also wanted to, you know, as a division one head coach, it was really, really hard. It's really hard to balance family. So this was an amazing opportunity and I also coached high school, so I coached, I coached Mountain Vista High School for five years calling for four. And so it was, it was all part of my journey of, of learning, of applying the box across concepts that I've been learning. At Denver and trying to now apply it to developing players and then trying to scale that across like lots of Lots of different. I mean it started out just with colorado kids and it just kind of grew but I I really cared about the coaching always have And one of the areas where I probably want to move on was just got less about the coaching and more about a business I mean it became there's like 75 full time employees and it was just like It was not something that I was like as interested in doing it was like groundhog day 2017 Colin and Emily, my daughter, Emily was going off to play lacrosse in college. She ended up calling, graduated from Georgetown. And, and Emily graduated from Arizona state. And so my youngest Lucy at the time was like an eighth grader and I really got a chance to step back and reflect on what I was happy with, what I was proud of, what I was not satisfied with. And I would say the biggest thing was. I was not satisfied. I mean, I was proud of a lot of the work we did developing Mount Vista High School and 3D and all that. But I was not satisfied with the transfer of what players, I knew they knew how to do and what they actually did in games in particular. Mm hmm. Meticulous about trying to teach as many different things as humanly possible. And, and, and I was, I did it in lots of different ways, but at the end of the day, I was like, man, these kids can do a lot and they just not doing it. And so I would, I would just throw in there, like what seemed to separate 3d. Was that your program was like one of the only ones who was actually coaching the kids, right? I mean a lot of them were just you know, throwing it out there and saying all right Let's just build it big but like that was that quality and that attention to we had a methodology And it was it was like, you know the best that I could come up with at the time But what i've since realized though is that there are new there's a there there are contemporary skill acquisition theories called ecological dynamics and a constraint slide approach that are our Incredibly powerful. And it's like, look, any coach is doing this stuff somewhat. And I was too, but really understanding the theory behind it and really diving in has been a, an amazing journey for me. Also with 3d, when I sold it, I had a non compete. So I had to figure out what to do myself and use my passion for the game and my knowledge in a way that was not doing what I was doing, which would be like travel teams or camps or clinics or training and stuff like that. So I started diving into the digital. I was like, well, I, I really would be interested in creating coaches, education information. And then I was like, I bet I could, you know, film was, was always such a huge part of my own development and the development of the athletes that I worked with. As a college coach, I just knew that that would be something that could be powerful. So I kind of went down that path of working with athletes that way. And, you know, it was a perfect way to kind of work with my kids too. So it's just been an amazing journey of learning through this whole JM3 adventure and it continues on. That's cool. Hey, nice. Everybody, I'm just looking Jamie at the time. I got 15 more minutes. Okay. Awesome. You think that's good? Cause I think we're, yeah, I think, I think we'll be able to be good. Yeah. That'll be awesome. Yeah. Okay. So Jamie, I wanted to follow up with that conversation about the way your own thinking has evolved around skills and. You know, we got a lot of parents and kids who are in that middle school, high school range, kind of the wheelhouse of kids you've worked with forever to try to develop their games. And so, you know, can you talk about, and I know I've talked with you about, you know, the, the way you think about. For instance, all these tournaments and everything has value, but you go to these tournaments and the number of touches a kid might get in a whole weekend, you know, versus, you know, some of the interactive online training that you're doing and the way. that kid can really develop their skills or that kind of one on one skills training that I know my friend Jay does live with players. So can you talk about what role they each have to play in a player's development, small sided games, which I know you also are a huge proponent of. So talk about what do you tell middle school and high school players to do today who really want to develop their skills? Yeah, the biggest thing you guys is that that I would love parents to sort of really consider is that the the traditional the traditional coaching model is that you will Master techniques and you'll rehearse them and practice them and master them these fundamentals And with the idea that you will be able to deploy them in a game at the right time and that is from And when skill acquisition became a thing in the 1960s, there was an information processing theory, and that's where this comes from which said that we perceive our surroundings, we make a choice, like a Terminator, like you have like all these choices to choose from, pick your skill, you do it, and then you make a decision to do something, and this, this contemporary skill acquisition theory that I, that I referenced a minute ago called ecological dynamics is ecological dynamics. This is like being studied all over the world, not so much on lacrosse, but in, in, in, in, in tons of different ways, not just sports. You can get a PhD in ecological dynamics. Okay. But what it says is we perceive our surroundings and we act instantaneously and we self organize. And so what this means is everything we're doing all this is not just in sports. This is all day long. We perceive our surroundings as human beings. It explains human movement. We perceive our surroundings. And we act instantaneously and we self organize self organized part means it's different every time. It's never the same. There is no one technique. There's no one way to do anything because there's no two situations that occur exactly the same. And it's all about perception. So when you think about the words lacrosse IQ. What does that mean think about the words lacrosse IQ. What does that mean?
MacBook Pro Microphone-2:What does that mean?
MacBook Pro Microphone-1:I thought I knew, but perhaps I did not. Join us next week as we expand our definition and take into consideration the information processing theory as well as ecological dynamics. This is going to be interesting. Indeed.
Until we meet again. Here's to hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the get the lax scoop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.