The Brothers Munro: Where True Grit & Innovation Meet, Part I.

In this episode of Get the LAX Scoop,  hosts 'Big Dawg' Ron Doish and 'Jaybird' Jay McMahon kick off Season III with an introduction to their new season. Sponsored by Jay McMahon Lacrosse (JML), this episode features special guests Jamie Munro and his younger brother Neil Munro, both former standout lacrosse players at Brown University. Jamie, a 1989 grad, discusses his journey starting from a babysitter introducing him to lacrosse, through an impressive career as both player and coach, ultimately founding successful lacrosse programs and a popular podcast. Neil, a 1992 grad, reflects on following in the footsteps of stellar players from Moses Brown and pushing himself to excellence in both offensive and defensive roles. The episode highlights their early inspirations, coaching influences, and the importance of true grit and mindset in the game, punctuated by humorous anecdotes and heartfelt memories of their lacrosse experiences. If you enjoy this episode please subscribe,  leave a quick review, and tell a friend, to help our podcast grow!

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Transcript

Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to season three of get the lax scoop. It must be time for lacrosse because I was out there freezing my ass off yesterday. Nothing like the spring sport of lacrosse in February in new England, but Jay, it does bring a certain level of excitement and energy that it does. I can't believe it's season three job. I can't believe I've lasted this long with you. I can't either. I can't believe I've lasted as long. Again, we were talking about this leash I'm trying to keep you on. It's, it's, it's tattered. It's threadbare. I think it's going to snap, but that's okay. Get the goddamn episode started, Jay. Let's go. All right. Can you give us a lead in please, Ron? Just kick off season three. What the fuck did you think that was? I want better. Guys. Come on. I had the whole All right. All right. I got it. I got it. Our first guest is a 1989 graduate of Brown University. As a senior, he was an All American selection and earned many honors as a team captain, including first team All Ivy and team offensive MVP. In addition to his impressive senior season, he was also tabbed All Ivy in 1987 and 1988 and is a member of the Brown Athletics Hall of Fame. After college, he played professionally for the Boston Blazers of the major indoor lacrosse league and was voted all club and club all star. He began his collegiate coaching career at Colorado College as an assistant in 1990 where the Tigers went 14 and two and won the Rocky Mountain Championship. The following year, he returned to the Ivy League to become the head assistant coach at Yale, a position he held through the 1998 season. With the Bulldogs, he guided the program to great success, and in 1996, he was honored with the Jay Gallagher Award for the Assistant Coach of the Year by the U. S. ILA. He proceeded to become the University of Denver's head coach in their first Division I season in 1999. He led the Pioneers to the NCAA tournament in 2006 and 2008. In his 11 years at Denver, he led the team to four great Western lacrosse league championships, outdoing the likes of Notre Dame and Ohio State. He also was named the conference's Coach of the Year in 2000 and 2006. After the 2009 season, he stepped down as head coach at Denver and started 3D, one of the first national travel lacrosse programs. He also spent time as a color analyst for international and collegiate lacrosse coverage on ESPNU. Since 2017, he's focused his efforts on building JM3. One of the largest and most successful digital training programs for players and coaches in the country. And also since 2017, he's had one of the most popular podcasts in the sport called Philacrosophy or something like that, which can be found on Apple podcasts and SoundCloud. Please welcome the one, the only Jamie Monroe. What's up guys. Thanks for having me. Jamie. Great to have you. Thanks for coming on. Great to have you. Now, let me introduce our second guest. Doug, could you please introduce our second guest? Thank you. Just as I was saying, Jay, thank you. I'm introducing our second guest. He's a 1992 graduate of Brown University where he was a two time captain, went to three NCAA tournaments, and was a two time All Ivy selection. That, I like to think of, was during the heyday. Of Brown lacrosse. It was a tremendous era. I'd say so. Happened just after our other guest left, Brown, I might add. Amen. Just to start things off. Get the, get our two guests comparing eras. Now one of the coolest things about this guest and I don't know if there's ever been anyone else in college lacrosse ever to have the distinction of being a team offensive MVP and a team defensive MVP. It's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. But when you think about that he had midfielders like Andy Towers and Jay McMahon constantly turning the ball over in the middle of the field, it gave him a lot of opportunities to have to get his ass back there and ride the ball back. You know, stick to the script. Now this guest was inducted as part of the 1991 Brown squad into the Brown Athletic Hall of Fame. He was one of three captains on that team as a junior and was that was the only Brown team in history to have an undefeated regular season and was that team was ranked as high as. number two in the country thanks to this guest's leadership and ability. Now, as our first guest, he was also a graduate of Moses Brown School where he earned three varsity letters each in lacrosse and soccer. He was selected to play in the National North South All Star game and was named a high school All American. Our two guests are also both part of the Moses Brown Athletic Hall of Fame. He has stayed involved in the game and is currently a youth coach. And at Sun Valley lacrosse in the state of Idaho, please welcome Jamie's younger and more athletic brother, Neil Monroe, our second guest, Neil, welcome. Welcome. Hey guys. Thanks for having me. Awesome. Thanks for coming on. Now let's get things started here, Jay, Jamie, we're going to start if you would let the eldest go first. Now, Jamie. As the older brother of this duo, we'd love to know, as we do with all our guests, like, you know, we've known you guys for a long time, but we always never know like where it started. So when did you first like pick up a lacrosse stick and where did your passion, lifelong passion for the game first begin as a wee lad? Well, sometime around, sometime in the middle of April when I was in fifth grade, my parents went out and we had our babysitter from down the street, this guy named John Montgomery, and he played lacrosse at Moses Brown. It was probably about, I don't know, middle of high school or something like that. And he had, he had two lacrosse sticks and he brought, he brought them both over. One was a really nice little Sammy with those, remember those like circular. shafts. Oh yeah. I remember the same. And and he had another one, he had a barn and he was like, yeah, you can check out the stick. And he handed it to me and I immediately like put it in my left hand. He's like, no, no, no, no. Like this. And he's about to put it on my right hand. Then I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I think it's better over here. And then And that was it. I was a lefty. We started messing around and we joined mini lacrosse. We went down to Thayer Street, to Ashby Dean, the little sports store. And I got myself super light too red with yellow mesh and you know, got beautiful yellow mesh. And next thing you know, we were playing lacrosse for, mini lacrosse was the name of the program. And it was kind of a sweet little program. It was like a house league feeder into Moses Brown and, even though lacrosse in those days was literally March, April, May, and that was it, we were kind of hooked. That's awesome. Beautiful. I had a super light too as well. And a Sam. I remember those, those old sticks were beautiful. And Neil, how about you? I'd imagine being in the same house as Jamie. Jamie probably had something to do with you getting into the game. But you tell us, how did your lacrosse journey begin way back when? Yeah, 100%. So we had actually moved from Rumford, Rhode Island to the east side of Providence, only three miles. But so I lost all my friends that I could walk around to. And this mini lacrosse league was starting and my mom thought it would be a good idea to stick me in. Mini lacrosse was 3rd to 6th grade. We had been hockey players, so we were wearing like our hockey gloves and our hockey arm pads. We had our new super lights. And to be honest, I was just standing there like a deer in headlight as these like 6th graders were running by me and I had no idea what was going on. Initially, I was more into kind of playing like Superman or making potions. And Jamie used to make fun of me for that. As I get a little bit older, started to see some improvement and then we really got hooked. And mini lacrosse was literally the thing they had games on weekends, practice on maybe Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and everybody would go to the Moses Brown fields and was all in and super competitive from a young age, and it literally just kind of sparked that interest. And you look at the great Moses Brown players who went on to Brown, they were part of mini lacrosse too. Right. So it was mini lacrosse, like just young kids, or was it also on a smaller field? Like, how did they do it? No, it was only mini because of young kids, not smaller fields. We had six by six. It would divide you into different groups and teams. The founder of the program, Wayne Curtis, who went down to the Hill School in Pennsylvania. I did most of the gear if needed. So he had helmets for everybody. It was a, it was a really cool program back in that time. It was almost ahead of its time. I would say. Totally. It's interesting. Cause you know, I'm from garden city, high school, big hot bed, but we didn't have youth lacrosse until. I mean, I was out of high school, so like I didn't start until junior high, so good stuff. I mean, I figured there was something going on there, because this is leading into the next question. You know, Jamie, we're gonna jump to your high school years, and you know, since we know Tommy Gagnon, obviously, three time All American at Brown, was from Moses Brown, and I think he was a senior, maybe, when you were a freshman, and then you had Bernie Bonanno a year ahead of you, another Brown Hall of Famer. So tell us what your high school experience was like and very interesting to hear that you guys had that great youth experience, you know, leading into it. Yeah, well, the guy who ran the youth program was the head high school coach, this guy H. Wayne Curtis. And yeah, my freshman year, Tommy Gagnon was like my hero and was you know, he had like 120 points in 13 games. The team was undefeated. And and actually like I was a freshman. And at that time, you know, in those days you were just like, you know, probably maybe the same now, but I was just pretty much, you know, picked on by all the older guys, but Tom Gagnon was always really nice. He was like the best guy in the world. But yeah, it was like a really fun to look up to that and to that level of play. And then to watch him go, I remember really watching him go off to, you know, Brown and just crush it like immediately was sick. And then Bernie and I, Bernie lived down the street from me. We, we, we'd known each other, but we came really tight over the years when we played together. And then we obviously got to play. I got to play with those guys, both in high school and college. And it was it was, it was really special. And there was a really great heritage of Moses Brown kids. I mean, Tad Barros was a Ivy League player of the year. At and Wentz Brown and is a Hall of Famer and, and then, you know, you know, Neil and just the list, there's like a lot of guys that kind of went from Wentz Brown to Brown and it was kind of a cool little tradition. It was very different, though. We weren't really thinking about Brown. I mean, we weren't thinking about college lacrosse nowadays. Everyone was just thinking about getting recruited. I mean, we were just playing lacrosse and just having fun. And I don't know, it was, it was different, but it was, it was a blast. Right. Yeah. I remember those days. We were just playing, looking to be as good as we could be kind of thing. And college lacrosse wasn't really a thought until senior year and coaches started. Sending stuff in the mail. So yeah, definitely a different time. No doubt. And Neil, how about you? I mean, you know, you're, you're following in the footsteps of what had become. a pretty incredible tradition of attack man, Moses Brown you know, in the years just before you. So do you remember that? And do you remember sort of this emerging tradition of, of great players at Moses Brown who were going on to Brown and, you know, we've had. Guys from most brown go on to Syracuse and other places. I mean, there were some great players in that era who were playing at the highest level after Moses Brown. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, Jamie talked about gags. He was the nicest guy. I used to ball boy for Moses Brown when he was that stud attack, man, he would be in the middle of a close game. The ball would go out of bounds and he'd be like, Hey Neil, what's up? You know? And he would always like, you know, he was just such a good, solid guy. And then seeing Bernie kind of that next level. And then Jamie. What it did is it really just drove me, you know, and I wanted to actually be better. I wanted more than 120 points, you know, I wanted to be a better righty than gags. And so it was the thing that kind of got me up. I used to go and do wall ball in the morning before school. I'd shoot around with Nick reader. Former Brown walk on. If you guys remember, we would shoot before school and it was literally because we wanted to be the next Brown duo to follow in the footsteps of these guys, and it was pretty awesome. I did not beat gags as point record, just so you know. But as far as for people who may not know, Neil was, you know, it's starting to, scrappiest human being I'd ever seen in my entire life. I mean, I thought Sam Jackson was pretty scrappy. I thought I could be a little scrappy, but Neil, I guess, cause he was the younger brother looking up to all these guys. He was the all time scrappiest. And that's probably why he was offensive and defensive MVP in one year. So pretty cool. Sorry, Ron, I went off script. I know you hate that. Jay, I love it, Jay. It's all about engaging the guests and their memories and, you know, their place in the game. Jay, you don't get that off the script. You get that in engaging. I'm learning.

Jay: 14:28

How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here.

14:37

As offensive and defensive Brown MVP Neil Monroe just said. True grit can be the key to lacrosse success for any and every player. Toughness in lacrosse isn't about physical strength. It's about a mindset, a state of being that every player must choose. True grit is the ability to push forward, no matter the obstacles. Getting back up after a hard hit. And to keep playing with full intensity, even when exhausted. It's not something you're born with, it's something you build, one tough decision at a time. And it all starts with a preordained decision to be tough in every situation that presents itself, no matter what. When a player commits to toughness, it becomes a habit. They stop making excuses. Stop fearing mistakes and start embracing challenges, whether it's fighting for a ground ball, bouncing back from a bad game or pushing through tough conditioning drills. A gritty player refuses to back down. They develop resilience, mental toughness and the confidence to handle adversity. The benefits are undeniable. Players with grit improve faster, compete harder, and they will And ultimately exceed their own limitations. They don't let setbacks define them. They use them as fuel to grow. Without this mindset, many players hold themselves back. They hesitate. They give in to fatigue. And their performance suffers. Future NFL Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady understood this concept better than anyone. He believed that as long as he didn't give up on himself, his teammates, or in any situation, then he did not fail, regardless of the outcome. In many, many situations. Such as excruciating conditioning drills, or after sailing an easy pass, or in the toughest game moments, he would repeat to himself, Don't quit. Can't fail. Don't quit. Can't fail. These words carried him through adversity and pushed him to legendary greatness. Lacrosse is a game of speed, skill, and endurance, but above all else, it's a game of heart. The toughest players are the ones who rise to the occasion, no matter the odds. True Grit isn't just a tool for success, it's the foundation for greatness. Sounds like if players make the decision to be tough all the time, it could be one of the best decisions they ever make. Now we will return to our interview and you will find that interview picking right up where we left off. So Neil, who were who else beyond, you know, these guys that we know were some of your influences kind of growing up and who were the guys on your teams at Moses Brown that were pushing you once these guys moved on? And what was it like to take on that mantle of leadership? You know? Yeah, no, it was awesome. So as I mentioned, Wayne Curtis was our first, my first big inspiration. And then the second one was our high school coach, a guy named Rob Hollis. He played soccer and lacrosse at Tabor Academy in Massachusetts. He actually played both sports at Carolina. Super knowledgeable, experienced and passionate lacrosse player. And he really pushed me pushed Jamie, pushed all of us. He was a pain in the ass too. I mean, he wrote us really hard, those old days and styles of coaching where at times I'd walk to the other side of the field, just so I wouldn't hear him yelling in my ear. But he made me better and he made me tougher. And so I owe a lot to him in terms of like collegiately, we didn't have the opportunity to watch all these games, but there was a midfielder named Dell Dressel, four time first team, all American. And I had a poster of him in my room and I wanted to be like Dell. I wore the double pad. You guys remember I went with that back to Dell and he was kind of the main inspiration in terms of like that collegiate player and being at his level. And then I was really fortunate. We had a goalie named Greg Baldwin and Greg was an all American goalie for Moses Brown, who was really passionate and committed to lacrosse. And the two of us together set out a goal to become all Americans in high school and to play in college. Greg went on to play at Wesleyan and we pushed and competed against each other. I shot on him all the time after practice. And so it was a really good, just kind of back and forth. And we were challenging each other to make the offense better and the defense better. So lots of different inputs, obviously. And then having those guys across the street. You know, Moses Brown game field and Brown game field are literally a block away. So being able to walk over there and see all these greats at Brown was really helpful. And Jay, you know, I just want to, I want to point out, having been in Rhode Island a long time myself, these, these two guys that Neil and Jamie are mentioning, Wayne Curtis and Rob Hollis. Those two, for so many people I've heard about growing up in Rhode Island, those were two of the guys who really grew the game, not just at Moses Brown, but all over. And you know, we guys on our podcast, it's been kind of fun. We feel like we've. You know, run across so many people who have told these stories of growing up. And there, there are always those one or two people in each community who are kind of, you know, the catalyst for changing the game and growing participation. And so I want to just shout out again to Rob Hollis and Wayne Curtis, who were two amazing people in the, in the sport of lacrosse in Rhode Island. Wayne Curtis ended up leaving right after my freshman year. He left for the Hill School and then Rob took over. One of the awesome things about Rob though was that he always just wanted to play with you. And so like in those days, it was, there was so much free play going on and Rob was also the soccer coach. So he was our soccer coach, but, or, and, and, and was the assistant or whatever, but he was involved with both programs, but so much of the free play though, we just like messed around and, and, and Rob would come play with us. He would like literally just be playing. Whatever little game we were playing, you know, at any time. And we used to call him Hacker Hollis'cause he would like Outra and, That's awesome. He was he was a real beauty. Yeah. And he did, he he made a big difference in lacrosse. That's great. RIP Rob Hollis. Yeah. R Gotcha, gotcha. Alright. B and Wayne. Curtis, we, we used to go down and play the Hill School, so he went, he was the head coach at the Hill School. Yep. Ah, and then he was, he ran the tryout at the Hill School for the U 19 USA team. That I tried out for way back one, another connection. Ron loves these connections to that small world team. It also was the founder of the Cocoa Beach spring break lacrosse that went on for years, probably 30 years of spring break down there. Wow. In fact, I mean, I, we went down to his spring break. I'm pretty sure you do like fantasy camp down there. I remember seeing some stuff online about that. Didn't you do that? I ended up kind of doing that myself with 3D. But but just back in the day, we got some good memories that we're not going to get into. Oh, Jamie, trust me. We had to edit our questions significantly. Stays on spring break. It's kind of like what happens in the brother's bar stays in the brother's Absolutely. I like it. So now, Jamie, as we Review there. You had a great career at Brown and talk about playing for some great coaches. Played for Dom Starcia, Mike Caravana, Pete Lasagna. Paul Hooper. Paul Hooper. Absolutely. The Hooper was a great coach. Hooper had played at Washington College and had been an assistant at Carolina, and he came up and was one of my coaches as I was two years behind Jamie and so much knowledge of the game. Absolutely. So tell us some of your top memories playing for those coaches and your fellow Bears. And then we'll take it from there. Yeah. Well, I mean, Brown lacrosse was just an incredible time, you know, of our lives. I mean, just the camaraderie. The competition lacrosse in general. I mean, it's funny. It's so again, it's so different now than it was then I mean, I was like way more of a soccer player to be honest with you. I wasn't even lacrosse wasn't really my It was my favorite sport in March, April and May, but I was really played way more soccer. And then all of a sudden lacrosse hit, I started getting recruited by Dom. You know, he didn't, he's an unbelievable recruiter and sort of like relationship builder in the recruiting process. And, you know, you get your love letters from him he's a, he's a volume guy, like love Dom and just like nonstop stuff. And, you know, Pete's. Passion for the game and his, you know, remember the video he made, you remember that? Like look brown lacrosse video that he was Oh yeah. He just did another one. I dunno if you guys saw that. The brown lacrosse. Yeah. It was awesome. Came out and it was narrated. Yeah. And, and then you know, just. The way that Dom just kind of like really got, got the energy behind that program and the passion with Brown lacrosse with a passion. You remember the t shirts, right? Oh, I mean, it was, it was a blast and, and, and just the, the guys, the coat, the, the level of play, you know, you remember Everything about it. It was just a total blast. In my caravana I mean he was like this guy came up from virginia ended up having a great career as a head coach at denison for a lot Of years was the assistant with us that He was he really like was tough on us in the early years. But yeah Because he was a big time attackman at uva. So what was it like having that kind of influence? He was getting in your guy's face a little bit. He just He played a very different way. I mean, he's a Sawanika guy, was a little guy, like straight up and down, you know, played with a Sammy and just was like, you know, this more like a Darren Lowe sort of type of a player and that was not how I played. Gags was probably a little bit closer. To that, but I was like, play a little more dangle and but at the end of the day though learn a lot from him and and have remained friends with him. I keep in touch with my caravan, so it's, it's, it's really been it's been great. I mean, the brown memories. You know, our, our memories of a lifetime, just the best. Right. And it's true with the passion thing. Like Dom's taking all these young guys, you know, just filled with energy and just encouraging that. So, you know, it was high energy when I got there as a freshman, I was like, holy cow, you know, it was great. High energy on the field, high energy off the field. Energy everywhere. It was endless. Hey, Jeremy, you know, I mean, you, you basically have been. You know, I, I, I always think about like, I don't think your brain ever turns off from lacrosse. Like, you just seem like you're always thinking the game and that's always the way you've been. But I'm wondering, you know, you, you kind of been a lifelong coach and teacher of the game. What, I always think like every coach you're with kind of influences your style a little bit. So when you think about those coaches, how do you think those guys impacted you as you moved on to your? Yeah, well, I mean, I'd say with Dom, it was just, I mean, he really I, I, what I learned from Dom, so, so much of what I learned from Dom was about, about how to kind of just sort of run a program with that kind of passion and dedication. His work ethic was unparalleled. His recruiting was incredible. The way he evaluated players too, I would always learn from Dom the way that he. He was always looking for something really special in a player, and he knew it could be different. And he would see something special and athletic, and he would look for that player that he could develop. And it wasn't always just pure athleticism. I mean, it had to do with, like, you know, a presence to that player, or something that they did really, something they did better than anybody else. And it was a really interesting way of kind of looking at it. You know, thinking back to hoops, I mean, the way that That Paul Hooper was able to like create a relationship with an individual player and find something that that player Could really be be excellent at and special with he would come up to me like hey three Three he would call you by your number. He'd be like hey three I got like what do you got hoops? He'd be like, you know, try this, you know, try posting up and then just sort of like You know, think about shooting a backhand and slide it off the, slide it off the side of your stick. And he's like, but don't tell Dom I told you that. Right. Right. Right. You know, and, Was he the one who told you to fake the shot? You faked a couple shots, like faked them behind the back, and then you ran around and scored a couple times. I came up with that little behind the back fake in a, in a, in a, in a tight one on one setup that we were doing one day against Greg Starkins on the roof. Yeah. And this was like, I was just good there and Starkins like turn around and I was like, ha, I'm just like, it's pretty funny. But that happened in the Cordell game. I think when I was a freshman, you did that. And I remember being like, Jamie, it didn't work, move the ball. And you waited a little longer and everyone was looking around the field. No one knew where the ball was. It went forever. And then finally your defenseman looked and you ran around and scored. It was whole. Do you remember that? That was hilarious. It was called John. Yeah. We just kind of like pretend you don't have to take a step. Like you're a little bit tipsy, but that was hilarious. So Jamie, that's like, move the ball. And he's like, no, no, I didn't do the drunk step yet. All right, Neil, enough, Jamie, Neil, enough, Jamie, let's get, let's, let's get to you. All right. As I mentioned, I, you know, one of the fun things about this podcast is like, you know, you know, guys forever, you play with them, but it's not like you're really asked these kinds of questions. So, you know, thinking back of like you being that we talked about you being, you know, a team defensive and offensive MVP, how, how did you become that player? How did Neil Munro become that guy? It sure makes you wonder. In order to find out, stay tuned, Lackscoopers, and join us next week for a big reveal.

Ron: 28:28

until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.