S2 E46. 2nd Half of Season Compilation: Best of Coaches Torpey & Breschi.

In this lively episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop,' hosts Big Dog and Jaybird welcome new Brown men's lacrosse coach, John Torpey. They explore his illustrious career from a player and coach's perspective, joined by special guest Joe Breschi, Torpey's former coach at Ohio State and current head coach at UNC. The conversation covers Torpey's coaching philosophy, key milestones at High Point University, and the influence of several notable mentors. The camaraderie and humor shine as they also share lighter stories and memories, drawing a full circle through lacrosse's past and present.

00:00 Introduction to Get the Lack Scoop

00:23 Meet the Hosts: Big Dog and Jaybird

01:24 Special Guest: Coach John Torpy

04:16 Coach Torpy's High School Journey

09:27 College Years at Ohio State

17:28 Mindset Minute: Motivation and Commitment

20:26 JML Training and Offerings

23:40 Coaching Career Beginnings

30:27 Building High Point's Lacrosse Program

33:42 Transition to Brown University

37:08 Surprise Guest Appearance

38:51 Special Guest Introduction

39:53 Coaching Memories and Highlights

42:06 Transition from Player to Coach

44:25 Authenticity in Coaching

47:24 Memorable Moments and Stories

55:04 Building Success at Brown

01:01:01 Fun and Laughter with Old Friends

01:09:28 Final Thoughts and Farewells

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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was a captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. And joining us in the studio, Steve Grassoffi, whose collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal, Again, start with brought to you by Jay McMahon, lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lax IQ training, helping the next generation cross players get to the next level. Everyone, welcome to another episode of Get the Lack Scoop. This is a very special episode for Jay and I and for all of those who have Brown lacrosse close to our hearts. And in a moment, you'll find out why. And Jay, would you like to do the introduction? I sure would your role on this podcast. Yes. If you don't mind, Ron, I'll do that. Thank you. Our next guest is the current

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brown men's lacrosse coach.

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After he was invited to take the seat of the esteemed university's Rothman coaching chair in Bay of 2024 prior to arriving in Providence. He was the first ever men's lacrosse coach at high point university in high point, North Carolina. Within only three years of NCA competition, he led the Panthers to the program's first ever berth into the D1 NCA lacrosse tournament in 2015. This achievement was the result of High Point's victory over Richmond, defeating the Spiders in the Sun Conference Championship game. Over the program's first decade of competition, he led High Point to multiple regular season conference titles, two NCAA tournament appearances, and achieved notable regular season wins over top 10 ranked perennial powerhouses such as Duke, UVA, and UNC. Prior to launching High Point's program, he was an associate head coach for five years under head coach Jamie Monroe at Denver. While with the Pioneers, he was the defensive coordinator and helped guide the team to their first ever NCAA tournament appearance in 2006. Then in 2008, he helped the team achieve a number 11 national ranking, its highest ever in program history at that point in time. Also in 2008, under his tutelage, the Pios made the NCAA tournament for only the second time. He was also the associate head coach at Dartmouth for Andy Towers for two years, and was an assistant coach at D3 Goucher College, where he also earned a Master's in Education and Sports Administration. This followed a one year stint at D3 Denison. He graduated with a degree in education from Ohio State University in 2000, where he was a three year captain for the Buckeyes. Over the years, in Columbus, he was a three time Big Ten All Academic Selection, a four year Scholar Athlete Award winner, and as a senior, was named a Street Smith All American Defenseman for his then head coach, Joe Bresci. Who is currently the head coach at UNC. He hails from Baltimore, Maryland, and is a graduate of and played his high school for the Cardinals of Calvert Hall Prep. He and his wife, Teagan, are the proud parents of three children. Please welcome the one, the only, Coach John Torpy. Thanks for having me. Yes. Yes. Coach Torpy. Excited to have you, Coach. Welcome to the pod. Welcome to Brown. Love having you. Excited to be here. Awesome. Hey, John. Jump in, please, and ask the first questions. Our guests are waiting, our listeners, that is. Coach Torpy, as you're getting to know the Brown alums, you'll notice that Jay will be a perennial pain in the ass, okay? Just so you know that. But John, in all seriousness. You know, Jay and I love doing this podcast and just talking with a bunch of people who we've gotten to know in the game and been introduced to in the game. Moving on from there, as we said, you were playing your high school acts at perennial powerhouse Calvert hall prep. I'm sure dogs loving this. Cause we, we're always talking Long Island lacrosse. It seems like, you know, God, cause that's where the best Maryland guy. Thank the Lord. Let me get back to Mary's kids. So tell us, you know, what that must have been like, must have been pretty amazing, I have to say. And who were some of your big influences at Calvert Hall, in lacrosse, and just in life in general? Yeah, I always say, like, I was, you know, going into my sophomore year in high school I wouldn't say I had, you know, A ton of drive to play at the next level, but I was fortunate enough to play for, you know, it was a legend, Mike Thomas, my junior year at Calvert Hall, who basically sat me down and said, Listen, I think you're good enough to play division one lacrosse, but you know, you got to start hanging around the right people. You got to, you know, make sure that you put academics at the forefront. You got to learn how to work hard. And I always say like that interaction was probably fleeting for Mike, and it was lasting for me. And I think that was an impactful moment for me where I said, man, this is, this is a really cool profession, you know, being able to do this with somebody and being able to have this kind of impact in someone's life. And it was really from that. on that. I said, this is something that I want to do with the rest of my life. So I knew my junior year in high school that this is something that I wanted to do. And then Mike ended up leaving you know, after my junior year, it was a heartbreaking minute of blues. And I think the St. Mary's and in the quarterfinals. And I remember the bus, I remember the bus the bus ride home from good old Weems whaling field. And, and Mike, it's in the locker room beforehand. Like this is this is the last year I'm coaching and just like an emotional wreck. Brian Kelly comes in. Right. you know, ends up becoming not only an amazing coach at Calvert Hall, but one of my best friends and one of my mentors. And I just I loved every second of of that school. I thought, you know, the grittiness of Calvert Hall, you know where it is, the kind of people that it attracts the friends I still have from that place. The teams that we had, you know, weren't the Calvert Hall teams of probably the last 15 years. They were you know, not the best players, but a group of guys that was assembled you know, before I think the M. I. A. Became a league that really heavily recruited and, and we always had this kind of chip on our shoulder and it was, it was neat to be a part of that. And kind of the same path I've had my whole life. We had a couple wins that we probably shouldn't have had. And, and you know, you get it again, you get addicted to that feeling and you want to carry that on with you through, you know, the rest of the journey. So a lot, a lot of great times at Calvert Hall. That's awesome. Doug. Wasn't that, wasn't that Weems Whaling Field, a hell of a facility down there? I mean, that was we brought you down behind the garbage dump. They're at St. Mary's. It's a very high end facility. Yeah. A lot of a lot of ACLs career ending corners. Yeah. It was, it was not the best of fields. I will say. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you mentioned Brian Kelly. I know him. I played with him on the U 19 Team USA team. Yeah. Way back when. Great guy. So what was it like having like, it sounded like the other coach was like really well established. And VK was probably, he graduated high school or college in 91, so he's only five years out. Yeah. Yeah. So that must have been pretty interesting having that new young blood in there. It was, I mean, you know, Mike Thomas was you know, one coach. Then we had one other assistant and then, you know, BK takes over my senior year and it was cool because he brought in, you know, all these young guys that were kind of the top players of the day. You know, come to practice and, and, you know, I don't know if it was legal or not, but they would practice with us and against us. And just, it just like, it made you, you know, so much better just with the talent that you were forced to go up against. And, Brian was, You know, just always a good person. he was you know, a coach at Calvert hall before he took over the varsity for Mike Thomas. I think he was an assistant for him and then he was a JV head coach and definitely like tested his metal early with with some of the other jobs that he had there, but just a terrific human being and just well loved by, I think everybody that's ever gone through that program. Right. And he's been there ever since. It's amazing. Said quite a run. That's great. We see that Ron, that you 19 team coincidence, Ron claims. I bring it up every time, but there's always a connection. It's amazing. I was just 77 episodes in. We just, we just checked off an annual and every dog hates it. What he did like 38 years ago was was was Williams whaling on the bingo card because we got that one out of the way too. We did. Nice. Nice. By the way, that was a nice throw to me, a St. Mary's win over Calvert Hall. That was because, you know, it was interesting. I think Calvert Hall and St. Mary's coach had a similar perspective that we were, we were, we tried to be a little grittier than those other blue, blue blood Baltimore programs, you know, a little tougher. Us and St. Joe, we were all like, man, it's like Brown state, baby. I like that mentality. Hey coach, let's flash forward. You know, now it's, it's obviously the Big Ten is an incredibly competitive College of Cross Conference, but back when you were going out, that was not, I don't think a common pathway to go from Baltimore necessarily the Big Ten. And obviously you chose Ohio State and And they had a new young head coach, Joe Brescia, I think back then. And so tell us about that path from Calvert Hall to Ohio state. And I think for coach, it might've been a different coach and then Brescia came in after, but I think so. Yeah, I'm sure he would have answered that Jay without, well, Ron, you know, someone did their homework. I'd like to let people know that much. It's kind of a good segue because I tell the guys here, you know, you get a lot of relatability and you build a lot of empathy based on your past experiences. And, you know, having gone through a coaching change my freshman year at Ohio State and, you know, thinking about, do I want to be here? Do I want to play at this place? You know, do I want to go explore some other options? You know, I was very fortunate to have not only Joe Bresci, but Jay Stalford and Craig Cahoon come in and our staff and they just added, you know, an element of competitiveness. And you know, resilience and just, you know, character work ethic, like all the things they valued were things that, you know, we were all looking for. And so it was neat to be a part of that. And just the journey to Ohio state, you know, I had some other opportunities. There were some things that, you know, I really wanted to explore and, and I found myself not so much loving the actual school, but loving the staff that was there because I knew that coaching was going to be a path that I wanted to explore. And, you know, the first kind of school I fell in love with was Loyola college because Chris Colbeck was the assistant there. I remember Chris from camps. He's a Calvert Hall guy. And I remember him being, you know, a guy who literally I don't know what it was, but I didn't get invited to 205. You know, he reached out and said, listen, man, there's a kid that didn't show up. If you want to come over, don't even worry about paying. Just, you know, you can come over and be a part of this camp. And it's great. I went over there and was just like, man, this guy is such a terrific human being. And, and that summer he ended up leaving Loyola to go to Hofstra. And, you know, my family from New York you know, I said that would be great. So he reached out to me and, and we met up at the old Bellock diner and in Towson, Maryland. It was, I think the first day of school at Calvert Hall my junior year, my junior year senior, I think I was senior year actually. And I was like, I'm going to Hofstra to play for this guy. This is exactly my coach. And when I went back, well, you know, got a little bit of money, but my parents were like, this is not where you're going to go to school. So we looked at some other things. My brother was at Penn state, wasn't playing lacrosse, but he you know, going to a big school, I said, this could be a cool opportunity too. And, you know, it all kind of worked out with Ohio state. And I'll never forget. I went out there, not with the intent to commit. But I had gone out during the blizzard in 96 and got snowed in there for six days on my official visit with another kid. Oh my god! Holy cow! Yeah, and I was like, I can't stand this place. So I went out there a second time. With the intent to just show my father the facilities, the athletic facilities is it really are like second to none out there. And my mom goes, I'm going with you. And so at one point, the Paul Caldwell, who's the head coach there, you know, came up to us and said, you know, what are you thinking? And I had no intent of going. Going to Ohio state whatsoever. And I said, listen, I didn't drive six and a half hours of seeing indoor football field. And so on the spot, she's like, what are you going to do? I go, I guess, I guess I'm going to Ohio state. And that was it. And I always say, it's the best decision I never made. So Oh my gosh, that's classic. Incredible. And Chris Colbeck was on that U 19 team USA team as well. I know him. He's a great guy. We had him on the show. Did somebody prep you, John? I mean, did you get This is wonderful. Actually, Chris Off to such a great Chris is a great guy. He was just on our podcast with Dave Murphy a couple of episodes ago and Mike Murphy, yeah. I mean, Mike Murphy, sorry. And he he was close to some guys I played with at His roommate at Loyola was a teammate of mine at St. Mary's. So, you know, small world stuff. And then of course he coached with Dom for all those years and we got to know him well then. So, so so you, you mentioned why you didn't start with Joe then, as you said, Joe and, and Jay Stafford, another Brown guy come out there. And, and so what was that those next three years like, and, and what did you learn playing for, for Joe? Yeah, I mean it was hard. I mean, Joe was going to do whatever he could to make sure that the right people were there. We didn't have any passengers on board. And I think the guys that really wanted it loved them. And I think the guys that were there for, you know, other reasons loathe them. And I loved, you know, having him as a coach again, competitive. brought in some great guys. You know, every year you knew you were gonna be challenged by the guys that were coming in. And you know, Joe was kind of the figurehead. He kind of ran, you know, a lot of the aspects of the game. But J was really, you know, our defensive coordinator, Jay Stalford. And I always say I actually Texted J. One of the cool things about coming back here was reconnecting with a lot of guys that I know that are brown guys, and I remember texting him just a couple weeks ago and just saying, you know, like, if I didn't ever tell you this you were one of the most influential people in my life in terms of, you know, the quality of coach you were and more importantly, the quality of human being that you were. And it's an honor taking the field, you know, for you. And if you know, Jay Stolfer, I mean, he is just the first class human being incredibly detail oriented, unbelievable work ethic and all that stuff bled into the guys that played for him. And it was cool having, you know, those two guys and, and Craig Cahoon was the, was the third guy who was, you know, fantastic player from Ohio, played at Butler, you know, played a couple of years in the MLL and, you know, all three of those guys just had such an energy, such a passion. And you know, we're not going to accept anything but your very best every single day, which was exactly what I was looking for. Right. That's awesome. Yeah. And just one more question on Ohio State, you know, Ron and I and Steve like to consider Brown as having a very rich athletic history, but maybe not as rich as the Ohio State University. So like, you know, just as a sports fan, what was it like being there? I mean, football games, basketball games, what are like some of Fonder's memories on that from that end of it. Yeah. I mean, just like, you know, we used to work at a French field house. And right when you walk in there, you look on the records board, it's an indoor track facility. And, you know, you see Jesse Owens name numerous times somebody like that. You're just like, wow. You walk through kind of the annals of St. John's arena. And, you know, you're looking at, you know, You know, some of the all time greats that have ever played the sport of basketball. You're looking at, you know, football players that you didn't even realize went to school there. You know, you're, in the presence of guys all the time at the Woody Hayes athletic facility. I remember like Chris Spielman coming to practices and seeing guys like Chris Carter, right. Jack Nicholas, you know, just like these, these all time athletes just always around. You know, it's hard not to work hard and hard not to want to be elite when, you know, that's just always, you know, around you. So, you know, vividly like working out and seeing Eddie George, in the room next to us working out when he was at the height of his, you know, NFL career. And the guy had muscles on top of muscles and, you know, you're sitting there thinking you're there and the guy goes up and you're like, Oh my God, man, I got so much further to go. But yeah, just such a cool place, more facility perspective, history. Man, I don't think I missed a football game in four years. And, and it just took part in everything that that place had to offer. Right. That's amazing. We transitioned to JML and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here

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That is two key ingredients that will help you accomplish anything, both on and off the field. And that is motivation and commitment. It's easy to get motivated when you're inspired. It's exciting to train hard, hit the wall or watch game film. Maybe you're motivated by a big goal, like making varsity or earning a starting spot. Or by seeing the success of your favorite lacrosse players. Motivation gets you going. But what happens when motivation fades? That's where commitment comes in. Commitment is what helps you keep going. Even when things get tough, it's about showing up. Doing the work and staying focused on your goals, even on the days when you don't feel like it. Here's how the combination of motivation and commitment can help you accomplish anything.

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Motivation gets you the start, but commitment. Make sure you finish when you're motivated, you're ready to go after your dreams. But the real question is, are you committed to those dreams when challenges arise? When you're tired facing adversity or not seeing immediate results. Commitment. Is what pushes you forward? Motivation is about being inspired, but commitment is about being consistent. It's easy to feel pumped up after a win. But the players who succeed are the ones who show up consistently, whether they feel motivated or not being committed means showing up to practice, doing extra reps and taking care of your body. Even on the hard days. Motivation comes and goes, but commitment stays strong. There will always be days when you don't feel motivated. It happens to everyone. But commitment is what helps you push through those tough moments. It's that inner drive that says I'm going to keep working no matter what. So ask yourself, how committed are you to your goals? Your commitment has to be bigger than any feeling of, I don't feel like it. Motivation is great, but it won't carry you the whole way. Real growth happens when you're committed to showing up and putting in the work, especially when things don't go perfectly. Success comes to those who stay committed through adversity. Your commitment has got to be greater than any resistance. To getting out there and getting on the field. Decide and make the commitment to achieve your goals. That's half the battle. Now we will hear a word from our sponsor. JML.

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Now, upon graduation from Ohio state you went, looked like you went right into the coaching profession. And as you mentioned, your high school coach had a big impact and who else influenced you in that regard? And was it from day one in college? You were thinking, all right, I'm, I'm definitely going to be a college. Yeah, I was, you know, and I was fortunate to have parents that were like supportive of, you know, whatever I wanted to do. And I remember, you know, orientation at Ohio State going into my freshman year and, you know, seeing the course, the courses that were offered and the majors that were offered. And there was kind of a coaching concentration within the education, school. And I said, that's exactly what I want to do. And kind of put my mind to it. And there was some great classes. I mean, there were classes where you were coaching the class mic'd up and then you would watch it with the rest of the class. You'd break things down, you know, what you, what you did well, what you said, well, how, how well you gave the information to kids. There were classes where, you know, you had to put practice plans together and you were teaching you know, we had one with autistic kids. We had another one where, you know, we had to teach like wheelchair basketball to, you know, disabled kid. I mean, it was just like everything about it was was intensive and it kind of built into kind of who you were. Most of who I am as a coach was, was influenced by the guys that I was fortunate enough to play for. you know, work with. And I mean, I feel like my journey is such a blessing between having like my father as a coach when I was a kid in different sports to, you know, being able to have guys like Brian Kelly and Mike Thomas and Joe Bresci and Jay Stolfert and, you know, Mike Caravan, Kyle Hannon. I mean, you know, Jamie Andy, I mean, you name it. I've been around these amazing, you know, just human beings and coaches and and I've tried to steal everything I could from each of those guys along the journey. That's right. And that's right. We know Mike Caravan. He was actually at Brown when Ron and I were being recruited and then moved down to Virginia. But, you know, I've seen him over the years and stayed in touch. And yeah, he's another another gem. Yeah. I mean, John, you just alluded to it like it's. I don't, I can't imagine a guy whose journey has prepared him better. And like, you've seen so many different aspects of the game and like, we wanted to explore next. You just mentioned Mike Caravana and I know you were with him at Denison. And then you also spent some time at, at Goucher. So you started at that division three level. Tell us about those early years in coaching at that level. I mean, I'll start with Denison. I just like fell in love with it. I was actually slated to be coach fresh volunteer assistant before that was really even a position, but, but I said, coach, I want to stay in coaching. I've got a couple of classes I'm finishing up my fifth year. And he said, we'd love to have you on board. And then my caravan had called and said, listen, I'll give you 5, 000 to come over to Denison and do this over here. I think we've got a really good team. And at the time I was playing with the Columbus land sharks, the NLL. I was working at flying pizza in the afternoon. I was making graders ice cream in the morning at 4 30 and then we practice. I'm not kidding. You would practice from 10 p. m. to 12 a. m. at Denison because the only time we get the indoor facility and it was just these days that started with making ice cream at, you know, 4 30 in the morning, five o'clock in the morning, whatever that is until, you know, going to Denison at night. And I tell you what, man, you look back on it and I'm sure we can all say this, those first couple of jobs you have at a college, you know, the lean years are the ones that you really figure out how much you love this thing. And the ones that you, you reference back to all the time as to why you do this and how much you love this, but division three for me was a chance for. You know, me not to be kind of the cool guy on the block and have to figure out a way to get these kids to be interested in the school maybe they had never heard of or didn't know where it was geographically. And you really had to, you know, put your hands on the ground in terms of finding guys. You had to go to these obscure events. You had to break away from some of your friends that were events that were maybe already in Division I lacrosse. And, you know, You know, find these diamonds in the rough and you know, it was not to make three phone calls, get three kids. It was make 3000 calls to maybe get a kid to visit. So a lot of doors slammed in your face and, and a lot of nose before you got a yes. And when you got that, yes, you were like, Oh my gosh, this is awesome. So, you know, being where I am now you know, and making a phone call with the power that this place has from an educational standpoint to the history, to the facilities, to the support. It's a long ways away from, you know, where the phone calls were at Denison and Goucher. It's, it, it must be kind of like this Brown thing must be kind of a crazy full circle thing for you to coach. Like when you talk about being with brash, who was, you know, Here with Jay, Jay, and then Jay Stauffer, you know, who's an incredible, as you said, player coach and human being, and then working with Jamie and Andy. And I mean, it's, it's weird how life works, you know, and all those Brown connections you made along the way. Well, what's what's wild is, you know, over the last 14 years at high point because we were doing some, you know, really unique things in terms of winning and and success, our guys were having off the field and on the field. There's been a lot of opportunities, you know, to look at some different places and I always told my wife, like, I'm not leaving campus unless it's something I feel like I could really, you know be passionate about. And this was the first time in 14 years, there's probably been about 10 or 12 schools that I've had conversations with in terms of interest. But this is the first time in 14 years I ever left campus from high point. And I knew if I did that, it would be really hard to say no, but it was all because of all these Brown connections, you know, from guys that I played with at Calvert hall to guys that coached me, like you said you know, to guys that I got into coaching with, with, you know, my caravan and Andy and Jamie, and, you know, getting to hear stories about guys like you. And, you know, some of these guys that, you know, were in their lives that I would, you know, kind of cross paths with. And there was just this. Familiarity with this place that I felt some comfort with. And you know, after meeting with grace, it was just, I go, yeah, this is kind of too good to be true. You know, this is something that I got to really explore. So yeah, it was definitely full circle in the stars. Yeah. And coach, we don't want to skip over that little high point thing, you know, they don't even have a team. Right. And it wasn't like they had anything. I don't think. Right. No club or anything. Cause I mean, you know, after all the work you did and now you're, you know, building your own division one program and having the success that you did. So out of nothing, you know, talk about, yeah, talk about that journey and you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You go from nothing in the middle of nowhere to, you know, you were a guy who every time one of those, those big ACC powerhouses was playing high point, you always were kind of checking that score. You would find a way to get those guys not, not too irregularly. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know much about high point. I got a call from a friend of mine who is the head soccer coach at Denver when I was out there, Bobby Muse, who's now the head soccer coach at Wake Forest. And he goes, listen, high point starting men's lacrosse. It's going to be this division one startup program. There really hadn't been anything like that. I think since Since St. John's when Ricky Soule, you know, left Dartmouth to go there. I said, that's cool, man. And he said, I know the athletic director, if you want me to call him, you know, I'd be happy to. I was like, sure. You know, I'll take a look. I'm, you know, I've always wanted to be a head coach. So he called athletic director, Craig Keilitz on the phone with Craig and ended up talking to him, talking to him for about an hour, went down there and just fell in love with North Carolina, fell in love with the school, fell in love with the vision the president and our athletic director had for the program. And I said, what a, what a cool way to get into college coaching, starting your own program from scratch. And so I get down there, there's no office. There's no locker room, there's no uniforms, there's no players, there's no anything. And it was this like, kind of choose your vision. It was, it was, it was a vision and it was trying to sell that vision to kids that were kind of like me, you know, where they had this like builder gene and they were just like, I want to, I want to do something. I want to be a part of something new. And, and we just, You know, didn't let anybody write our script. We went down there and said, this is who we're going to be. And we had a lot of bravado and we recruited kids with that. And I'll never forget, like the first time I showed the guys our schedule, the first ever season we had powerhouses on there. Delaware Brown was on there Duke Carolina, Virginia, I mean, everybody. And, and I go to the team. I said, you know, what do you think we're going to do this year? And every single guy's like, easy, 10 wins, easy, 10 wins. And I was like, Oh my God, we went into this we went into this first season with 34 of our 36 guys being freshmen and two transfers that had really never played at the schools that they came from. And first game we play Delaware, Delaware, you know, coming off two years, I think after they were in the quarterfinals, we ended up losing by two. And then. Second game play Towson, who's ranked, I mean, to beat them nine, seven, you know, these guys just never let anyone write their script. They were like, this is what we're going to be. This is how we're going to get there. And to see them buy in and work and see the foundation, those first couple of classes laid was just, I mean, one of the coolest things I've ever been associated with in my life. And it always gives me hope. I mean, like, I'm like, don't let people tell us what we're going to be. Let's go out and figure out a way to get where we want to get to. So. That's amazing. Amazing. And, you know, raised our kids there and, and you know, fell in love with everybody I worked with the parents, the kids. I mean, there was a, such a cool connection with all of us there with building this thing from scratch. That's awesome. Amazing. So John, as we all know, you were named the head coach of Brownmans Lacks this summer. So please tell us how that opportunity came about and as you said you'd been at High Point for so many years and had such great success there and it was really your baby. You started that whole thing. So it couldn't have been an easy decision. But tell us, tell us about that process. Yeah, it was, it was a phone call that I got asking if I'd be interested and, you know, I kind of got off the phone call and went and spoke to my wife and I go, what do you think about, you know, looking into brown? And she goes, listen, I'll go wherever you want if you feel like it's a great opportunity. So pursued it got on the phone with Grace, Tim Fitzpatrick. You know, Darren Lowe was involved in the process, got a chance to talk to him a little bit and, you know, talk to a bunch of, you know, people that I knew that had been at Brown. You know, I kind of bounced some things off of Jamie, bounce some things off of Andy spoke to Joe Braschi about it. And there were like two, like real, like vivid things that stood out to me, you know, when I went through the process and, you know, contemplated leaving this place that I had a love affair with, with high point having, you know, built everything, you know, with our staff, with our guys, from nothing. And it was a conversation I had with coach Bresci where he said, you know, when I was Carolina and leaving Ohio state. I was walking through the hallway at Woody Hayes and I ran into Jim Trestle and, you know, he said every 12 to 14 years, you got to think about, you know, doing something different, taking on a new challenge and, and, you know, going after something and reinventing yourself. And so that was like vivid in my mind. And then it was this like little chapter of a book that I read on Woody Hayes one time where You know, he gets to Ohio state and he's in his first press conference and people think he's crazy for taking the job. And, and he says something along the lines of like, you know, I'm leaving security for opportunity and, you know, that's just playing in my mind. So. Got a chance to come up here. You know, got a chance to meet with grace and a bunch of other administrators and, you know, see the facilities and, and kind of came back home, talked to my wife, went back and forth for probably three days. And I remember telling my staff at high point, I'm not, I'm not going, I'm staying at high point. And then grace called me again. And I said, grace, like just, I love like talking to grace because it just felt like, you know, I was in the presence of an athletic director that just wanted to win and do things the right way. And, and it was, was successful kind of everywhere she had been. And I just said to my wife, I go, I think we should go up there together and take a look. And we came up here and I remember walking through the doors of the Pizza Tola center saying like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I can leave my guys at high point. I don't know if, if this is what I want to do. And I remember my wife saying something along the lines of like, this is, you know, one of the first opportunities you've ever had where, they're doing everything the right way and I think you deserve it. And I remember like kind of taking a step back and I said, let's go upstairs and let's take this thing, you know? And so. That was, that was just a really cool day. And it's been, you know, this incredible whirlwind, but all positive sense where, you know, getting to know the alums, getting to know our guys, you know, getting to really, you know, get to know who they are as people and players and bringing my staff up here for the most part with me it's been, it's been a lot of fun. That's amazing. Well, you know what? We've got a, do we have a, do we have a special surprise guests that wait a minute? I think we do on zoom. It just popped in. Who is this? Someone you might know who is, is, I think is that, could it be, could it be look at, look at them. Coach. I just said all these nice things about you, man. I hope you were listening. McMahon wouldn't let me get on early so I could listen. He was giving us a great answer. It's all about the airtime, Joe. I'm like, Oh no, Joe's here, but we're in the, we're like getting a great answer here. I'm like, all right, hopefully he stays on. Love fest, man. All the same. So Joe, Joe, Joe, nobody knows who's listening to this. This is a, this is an audio. Oh, Ron, when you do the intro, please. So John, as we may have just given away, we we've got a very special surprise. Mr. A guest for you your head coach at the Ohio state university. He played his high school lacrosse at Loyola in Baltimore. Thank God. We finally have three Maryland guys on here. It's rough to counteract. Jay McMahon and his Long Island ness. Our special guest was a two time All American Defender at North Carolina. A two time member of team USA. He's the current head coach at his alma mater. And in 2016, he led his Tar Heels to the promised land of a national championship for the first time in 25 years. Oh yes. Yes. UNC head coach, Joe Bresci is here to officially welcome coach Torpey to Brown and be our special guest for the rest of this podcast. Welcome coach Bresci. Giuseppe! Giuseppe! Thanks for joining us, coach. This is awesome. It's a pleasure. The one thing I'll add to that introduction is that was a two time roommate of Ron Doglish around university during Yes. What a highlight. That's just memorable. We'll get into that a little bit. No, for sure. Absolute highlight, Jay Stolpert, who we also have been mentioning. Yes, Jay Stolpert. We had quite the crew and Andrew Towers, another Brown bear. Yes, yes. Those were some good times, Joe. Excellent. Yes. Well, it's a joy to be here. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to be around coach Torpy. One of my all time, all time favorite players and coaches in this profession for sure. So I'm thrilled. Awesome. We're going to ask some questions here, Joe. Jay, please take it away. You're in the hot seat. So, as we mentioned in the opening, Joe, you coached John Torpy back at OSU. And please tell us what he meant to you and your program as a three time captain. That's pretty unusual. I don't know that I know of any other three time captains. So, tell us about this guy, a young John Torpy on the scene at Ohio State. And we kind of had reviewed how his coach had just left. You came in. And take it from there. I'm nervous. Coach. No need to be nervous. Big dog. I was nervous when, when I was trying to or concerned about, you know, you taking off from Ohio state. I was like, Oh God, is he going to stay? And I had to go crawl over glass to, to make sure. Coach Torpy would stay and he, by his peers, was named captain three times in a row. My first three years at, at the Ohio State University. And I, you know, you think about, I've been doing this a long time, 30 plus years, and you think about the guys who, who stand out at each of the, Respective stops or throughout the different decades of of coaching guys I've played with and, and then had an opportunity to, to coach, whether it's at Carolina. Brown, Ohio State or back to Carolina and John Torpy was simply one of the best as a leader, as a competitor love for the game, love for his teammates and just did everything. 100 miles an hour. Sometimes I'd have to rein them in a little bit, but you know what? We always say, and I'm sure Coach Dorpy can attest to, when you're recruiting, you'd rather rein kids in than than try to make them aggressive or make them tougher, et cetera. And John was just a class act man of integrity. just a huge heart. So happy for him when he when he had the opportunity at High Point to to start the program there and just had a stellar career. And now he's up at one of my all time favorite places in Brown University and couldn't couldn't be a better fit for Brown and for Coach Torpey. That's awesome. And so, John, you know, hearing Joe talk about you that way, I know that, John, you then went on to give Joe some of those white hairs, they're not even gray anymore, Joe, they're just white, they're just full on white hairs, I know you gave a couple of those as a head coach at High Point, so what was it like going from You know, the player coach relationship to then having Joby, one of your peers, kind of right down the road as a head division one lacrosse coach. Coach Bresci gave me a lot more white hairs than I gave him. I took a lot of, I took a lot of whoops on the fanny from that guy over the years. No, it was, it was really cool. And I think like when I first got there. You know, I lean on coach a lot, you know, for everything from advice on, you know, how to be a head coach to you know, what to do for certain things. And I remember going down and he would let me come and watch practices. And I mean, that was like the coolest thing ever. I remember that little field you guys had coach like in the woods and coming down there and just like stealing like so many different things, you know, from coach. And I was over at Duke doing the same thing with those guys. But I appreciate all the kind words, but like, you know, Joe Bresci man is like, he's singular in this sport. Unbelievable human being, you know, a great dad. And, you know, I told these guys coach before, like one of the biggest things that, you know, led me to Brown was a conversation, you know, you had with Jim Trestle about the, reinvent yourself and, trying to change things up after a couple of years of being in the same place. And it was a vivid thought on my mind. And, you know, these, Encounters we've had over the years, whether they're on the, on the phone or, going down to Chapel Hill to see you know, whether you knew it or not, man, I was always trying to steal everything you were doing because I always felt like you were one of the best guys in the world at what you did. And, and the proof is in the pudding, man. Well, I appreciate that. I, you know, it's been you know, it's so gratifying to see a guy like John. Go through the ranks as a student athlete at Ohio State, then get into the coaching world. And obviously he was surrounded by some great head coaches during his time and Andy Towers and Jamie Monroe and so forth. A couple of brown guys, ironically, right? And then, and then he heads down and starts his own program. And you know, one thing that I always stress the guys and, and john is the epitome of it is to be authentic. to be who you are and and not try to become somebody you're not. And I, I got that message from Toby Mink, a former teammate of John's. And I remember my first year as a head coach at 28 years old at Ohio state. And we had individual meetings and at the end of the year, Toby Mink said to me, he said, coach, man, we love your energy. We love your passion, but we don't know you. And to me, it was like, wow, that was a kick in the gut because that's all who I was at Brown was just being myself and to put on the head coaching hat and, and pretend that I'm not that guy anymore was, was exactly what I needed as a, as a young head coach, 28 years old, trying to figure it out. The message I hand off to guys like Coach Torpy when he took over at High Point was just that, be who you are, no need to change, just be authentic and kids see right through it when you're not, and at the end of the day, that's how I owe it to Toby Mink, and actually Toby Mink and I share the same birthday, ironically. So we're both Aries, Ron. I know you were wondering. I was Joe. I was like, like, geez, did I miss it? I get it now. But it's just it's so great. I mean, you know, you think about all the guys you coached over the years and to watch their, their journey, not, not just as, as a player, but as a coach and his profession, and then John with his family is just, it's amazing. And it's so fun to watch. And, and it's part of the journey and part of the beauty of, of. Getting to teach, coach, educate, mentor 18 to 22 year olds. And, and that's a, that's a really cool and fortunate position to be in. That's awesome. And then, you know, when you're standing there on the field and you're looking across that substitution box and coach Torpey's being coach Torpey, you're thinking, all right, take it easy, Pat. You're being a little too much yourself. You never slow down. You're screaming at the reps. Was it, it's kind of surreal. Just like, look, and I'd be like, yeah, he's, he's being authentic. Well, coach Torps and I have had some dog fights and he got the best of me. this past year. And I thought it was a crazy finish. I love it for him. And, you know, I tell you, I was, I was so happy for him after the game. Certainly disappointed in us, but you know, happy for him and how his team played and the joy on their faces. And you know, it was many, many years of battling with coach Torpey. So I'm glad he's in the Ivy League now. Nice. Nice. Yeah, we've had some great ones over the years. Some great sideline antics. Your pupil, man, oh my God. So so John, we want to know some of your most memorable moments of coach brushy as your head coach. And don't, don't, you know, don't hold back here as he said, he was a young 28 year old time. He had just left me to come to make some mistakes. Coach Torpey. So interesting. No, he had to find a, Ron had to find a different roommate because I left him. I know. Left me. I had to go get my own little apartment. Oh my gosh, man. This is like, this is hot seat right here. I'll tell you one of my favorite. I'll let Torpy kind of expand on it. But so one of my all time favorite As I mentioned, I'm a young head coach out at the Ohio State University. I'm trying to put a schedule together and nobody in their right mind wants to come to the Ohio State University and play us. So I'm scramble city. And I'm like, well, at least my conference will play on a weekend, but lo and behold in my conference or the leprechauns up north. And So I call up the King leprechaun and I said I said, Hey do you want to play on a weekend? This is, you know, it's a, it's a conference game and the whole bit. And there's like, no, I got to play better teams than than you on the weekend. And I was like, Ooh, that's painful. I said, but we're in conference coach. And he's like, no, we got to play better teams. I said, okay, but we went up there year one. You've forgotten all about that. You've that you've let that go behind you. I have absolutely forgotten all about it 25 years ago. So as coach Torpy can remember, I think we lost 11 to two, three, four. I can't remember, but we had lost by like a hundred the year before. And we lose by a respectable amount. So we're on the bus ride home and the, the, the giggles and the laughs and the chuckles in the back of the bus or are not helping me. So I asked the bus driver on the highway to pull over. So he pulls over. on the side of the road on the way home from South Bend. And I asked all the, including the bus driver and the support staff to get off the bus. And then I proceeded to, to let the guys in the back know just how excited I was about their, their jokes that they were telling after we got our. Tushy's whooped by the fighting Irish. And I said, this is not why I came here. And from that moment on, it kind of set the tone for the rest of the year. Now, you know, we were six and eight, I believe, or five and seven our first year but then it kind of changed the tone that we were not in it for the shorts anymore, we were in it to win. And fast forward one year, cause I know dog's trying to, he's trying to figure out. So, so what happened the following year against the fighting leprechauns? And And we actually I made the same phone call and got the same answer. So they came down to Columbus midweek. And 42 zone, baby 42 zone. We played a box in two zone. Oh, that was the old fire call. A brown. That was fire. We spun the ball about eight times before we attacked the cage. Abley's had like. 18 saves. We took 24 shots total and Buddy Lang stuck the game winner with seven seconds left and ready boom boom Ready? Boom. Boom. Hurry. Hurry. He was at the face off X. I said, do like your dad who was a pro wrestler. I said, do like your dad. Just get in a tussle at the face off X in the last seven seconds and we won 5 4 and yes. And yes, dog, from that moment on, we played on a weekend, baby. That is a great, that would be my favorite story. Add something to that story. That's the first time like Notre Dame ever came out with the bagpipes. I don't if remember they walked outta the Woody Hayes and at the end of the game, coach pulls us in and he goes, fellas, we just took the wind out of the bagpipes. That's great. That's beautiful. I love it. That is vintage, brush. Ah, I tell ya, and the cool thing about Ohio State was you know, Andy Geiger was like hugging me, high fiving, and then Archie Griffin, who knows nothing about the game of lacrosse, was like, that was an unbelievable win, and just because we beat Notre Dame. And we got like Archie Griffin, the only two time Heisman on board and I mean, they loved it. It was, it was fun. That is beautiful. Now here's a real critical question for you, Coach Bresci. You know, listeners are going to be super intrigued. Can you describe what it was like to have to live with coach Ron Doglish for two years? Big dog. What are your most, most impressive memories as you were an assistant, defensive coordinator, dog was an assistant. Pete Lasagna, head coach, just, just landed out there. Don't hold back, please. Oh my dog. You're sweating, aren't you? I'm perspiring a little, Joe. Although you might have to hold back a little. You did tell me one story, you know, you can't share. But other than that, well, you did actually, you told me one time a couple of years ago. Oh, back in the heyday? This is a Dog, dog Don't tell that one. Dog had the he had a knack for, for having shortcuts down at one of the drinking establishments over, right over the bridge by, bridge by the old fish company. Oh, yeah. And Big Dog would, would toss a few back and he'd invite all the ladies from the establishment Back to the Oh, that was casting a wide net and they were the, you played no part in that Joe. That was no, no, I never had a wing man with me. Coach Torpy. No, I was always there. It was, it was dog. And I would kind of look around and see if towers had left any for us. And then we'd like spread our wings and we'd be like, dog, let's, let's rope him in and let's start moving towards, I always took a lot of credit for coach brushy's marriage to Julie, because I think after about two years of Joey, I being together, she's like, Joe, we're moving to Columbus and we're leaving, we're leaving Ron here. Right. He's not coming with us now. I mean, look, Brown holds a special place and, and, and you know, I met my wife, Julie there and, and that is we both worked in the athletic department on the same hallway at OMAC. And was it no pits at all? Yeah. And right down the hallway. So, you know, Brown special, special place and Ron, I'll keep your skeletons in the closet, big dog. Cause I remember opening the door to try to get them to practice one day. Similar situation, Joe, stop it right there. Cause I've heard this is, this is what's called assured destruction. Joe, we should just stop it right here. Say we were both winners. Both winners, Joe competitors and winners. Yes. All right, Joe, now this is a serious one. Okay. My friend. So you know, you were as, as we've talked about, you were part of that Brown lacrosse coaching staff. I think you spent seven years at Brown with with coach lasagna and and in 94, five years, I'm not good at math. I went to Brown. I didn't have to take math. I didn't have to take math. Coach Torpy took one math class. That's a seller. That's a seller on the recruiting for us. Social science guys. Okay. One more that I took it all. Five years with coach lasagna and a 94. You were part of one of the two brown teams that went to the final four. So you know, coach Torpy already mentioned that you as he, he reached out to, and you obviously. knew what it took to succeed at the highest level at Brown. So what were some of the things that you shared with Coach Torpey and that you remember about what it took for you guys to build that kind of success at Brown back then? And obviously, you know what it takes to build success at the highest level today. Well, I tell you first and foremost, kudos to coach Lasagna for giving me the opportunity to come up there and be a part of his coaching staff. And he was so fun and so exciting to work with. And I learned so much from him, not only as a, as a coach, but as a dad and and relationships with the kids and Pete just had fun at the profession. And I think sometimes although we are very passionate and committed to our craft, it's important to keep balance in your life. And I think Pete was the epitome of balance as, as a head coach. And so I was fortunate enough to be the defensive coordinator for five years with Coach Lasagna and learned so much from him, as I mentioned. And, and but he gave me carte blanche at the defensive end and I was 23 and living with Andy Towers. So I was trying to find him because he had to make the bus. So, you know, I think from my perspective, it was it was just a really neat experience. We go 10 and three, our first year, We don't get in the NCAA tournament. And then and then we're, we start out the season one and four, our second year, and we go on a 12 game win streak spearheaded by just a fantastic senior class. And by the way, director of player personnel for the University of North Carolina. Is none other than number 20 Rob Gutow. So that's right. I just heard that. And he's on our staff. And he was a senior, right? Yes, he was a senior. And he was just a phenomenal leader. Gary Nelson. I mean, you name it. We had a heck of a group and, and you know, it just goes to show you, I mean, we were similar here in 2016, we were three and three to start the year. And then goalie gets hot, team gets hot at the right time. And then you, you, you kind of excel. But at Brown, it was just, it was a dream opportunity. I remember being, I think we were two and four or three and four at the time. And we played number one, Princeton rolls in and they've won every game. Rob Guttel gave me this stat. He's like, yeah, Princeton was averaging 17. 6 goals a game and coming into that game and we ran boxing too on low and Reinhardt locked both of those off with short sticks and ran a box behind a coach Torpey's very surprising. And they started throwing and we did a floating man down box with a floater and they started throwing the ball and hitting our guy in the back who was shutting off. I mean, it was just a thing of beauty from an execution by the players. And it was, it was awesome. It was 76 going into the fourth quarter. We were winning 76 Jay Stalford and Scott Bacigalupo were standing on their heads. The game ended seven, six. So we held a team average in 17. 6 goals a game to six goals. And I remember celebrating at at the fish company. And just to reiterate back to the birthday, it was on my birthday knocked off Princeton and it was just, it was awesome. So you, you talk about one of the greatest games wins was, was that one. And then you fast forward to the quarterfinals at Loyola which was just spectacular. It was a one goal game and, you know, we dropped the ball, they come up, we kind of goose it forward and, and, Gets bantered around and we score the game winner in overtime. I think it was overtime. Yeah, it was funny because around covid Pete sent out these videotapes of the Princeton game of the Loyola game and I watched them and they're pretty fresh because it was like in that Loyola game. The ball kind of went down. Loyola over commits. A guy picks up and it was like three passes, but you could see with each pass. Everybody on Brown is like, Oh my God, one more pass. We're going to have a wide open shot. And that was the case. And then boom. Oh man. And then that person obviously was amazing too. And Goody was playing at X basically as a midfielder with a short stick on that was like Pete's innovation. And he had like almost 40 assists or something that he seasoned. So that was Pete. Pete and you were quite innovative with that team. It was pretty. Yeah, it was fun. We went back and forth a bunch. You know, it was just I love as coach Torpy knows. And I think, you know, as I was some call it junk defenses, I call creative defenses. You know, that's what we did at Ohio State to kind of put ourselves on the map a little bit and then and then that continued, you know, obviously came from Brown and that continued at Ohio State and in my coaching career. So, I mean, those were two of the. the great ones. We want a couple, I think two Ivy League championships, the final four and a couple trips to the tournament. And it was awesome. I love Julie and I talk about it all the time. You know, just a incredible experience we had up there and how how quickly it's it's been 27 28 years. Are we going to go to our roving reporter, Steve Grassoffi, who finishes our podcast up with some very different kind of as long as these two coaches will still consider us friends. All the time we've kept themselves. All right. Well, I want to thank Ron for bringing up having to cut roster spots right before I come on because that is always comedy gold. Ron. Helps a lot. Alright, so I have some questions for the coaches. I have to each so we'll get this through this pretty quick. I know you guys have spent a lot of time. Coach Bresch, good to see you. It's been ages. This first one goes to you. As was previously mentioned, you and Ron coached together at Brown and were roommates. I know that you guys had to share a bathroom. Is that why you left Brown to coach elsewhere? Well, that's the rumor at least. That's a, that's a coach Grisalfi. First, first and foremost, it's great to see you. We are both white as can be. I don't know what happened. That is a good thing. That's all the time I spent, but dog likes to say it was coach Torpey when he played for me, but I think it was dog because I used to go in the bathroom and see his big ass underwear hanging out on the of the. He's hanging up his drawers. Come on, Ron. Well, it was a little bit soiled too. So that's what, that's what kind of sent me down to or out to Columbus for other options, hundreds of miles away. So you couldn't smell or see that. Oh, Joe, that's wrong. We always suspected as much, but I'm glad I'm hanging up his drawers. Wow. This next one's for Coach Torpy. This past October, many Brown alumni attended Alumni Weekend where you were able to meet many of the Brown lacrosse alumni. My question is this, after getting to meet them, are you still able to use academic rigor as part of your pitch to prospective players? With a straight face, that is. Maybe lead with, they're the happiest students in the Ivy League, you know, that might be open curriculum. I told the guys the other day at practice, I go, I wish I would have went to brown. The past fail the open curriculum in this. Oh yeah. It must have been pretty encouraging to get to know that somehow all of us got past admissions, right? And got through for the most part. That's something to look forward to. There's always hope. This next one's for coach brash. Are you aware that Ron Doggish was put on mock trial up at Lake Placid this year? Yes. For allegedly rooting harder for North Carolina at this year's UNC Virginia game, when Lars was the one who provided him the tickets. Oh, oh. A couple years back. But yeah, that happened. That was, that was a final Four game, actually. Oh, really? All right. Well, he was finally put to trial this show. I have I, yeah, A friend of ours, Tom Dwyer's daughter said 21. Yes. What's that? 21 exactly. Dog jumping out of his seat and his shorts every time Carolina scores a Virginia scores. And he is like, oh. Oh my God. Yes. Well, he may have been provided the tickets, but Ron stayed in my room that night. Oh, oh. And the reason I know that he stayed in my room is yes, the soil, the tell side. Oh my gosh. spinning some incredible. It's not easy hanging with Ron believable. Oh, thank goodness. I love the space. I love my weekend. It keeps getting wider. His hands are off the screen. We're all just great. The last time we shared a hotel room. Thanks for the brown alumni weekend. We shared the hotel room dog slept on the floor in his suit. Thank goodness. So no one saw those shorts, which was nice. Thank you, Steve, for these questions. Appreciate it. Yeah, finally, this one's for Coach Torpy. Are you aware of the statistical anomaly arising from the alumni cheering section at the Brown home field? The goals against For the goals against percentage for opposing teams is significantly higher when their goalie is within earshot of the alumni cheering loudly from the pickup trucks in the parking lot on the north side of the field. This is being referred to as the doglish effect. Ron, what's the actual number? I know you know this. Oh, I, I don't know this, but I, I have always said it's the Evans effect. Yeah. Well, it will be the Evans effect. Now I'll tell you the tailgate situation just amped up quite significantly with a big recruit that coach Torpy landed this summer, a little switcheroo Joe, a little switcheroo from UBI too. I don't think Brown's finished flipping baby. Keep flipping Torps. Nice. I, I always said coach Tarpy, I have made more of a difference for Brown lacrosse in the parking lot that I did on the field given my chairing ability, Steve, look at Steve. Like I got a point there, but most of the team, right? Yeah. Yeah. Two times, two times. I'll take a seat. And, you know, I, I do have a certain volume to me. I do have a certain creativity in my conversations with the opposing players. And I, I was convinced I was making a difference. And then last time Brown hosted the Ivy tournament, the ESPN crew showed statistical evidence. We were two goals. We were two goals better at this end of the field, at the parking lot, end of the field. Joe, I mean, talk about NIL, he's got to be paying me NIL, I'm a difference maker. I got to rent dog to bring them down. I will say, however, when I was scouting the Brown Maryland game in 2016 at the final four, I would stop and I would go, is that Ronnie screaming at the, And it was, it was Ronbo. You can hear it. Ronbo's letting it fly. He doesn't go back. So I've had, so I've had two situations where Lars was furious at me. One, I don't know if you recall, was when we came down for your 50th birthday party. And we were in the, You know, that, that end zone suite area is with Joe and his family and they're playing Virginia that weekend and I'm heckling Lars in the Virginia football stadium. It's pouring rain. There's like 10 people there. So everybody can hear what I'm saying. Lars. He didn't, he didn't think that was funny. No, we love, we love Lars. We do. Absolutely. Yes. We do. Makes a killer tofu. Talk about Joe. You're on fire tonight, Joe. You're on fire tonight. When we get together, it's like roommates 60 years ago. It's like, yeah, I appreciate this every time I see coach go. Well, that's it for the question. That's going to be my signal for you getting to get in the crowd going. We're going to raise it up the flagpole. He's going to have a timeout, look up at the parking lot and just go. We'll put this on YouTube for people who are listening to the audio. We're just taking drawers and spreading them wider, like a waist 40, 45, something like that. Who's counting? Well, coach Torpy, welcome to old Bruno, baby. Welcome to all Bruno, right to be here. Guys. I love the guests tonight. I'm pretty fired up that he was on here. Joe, thank you. Thought that would be special for you. A ton of special treat. Joe, thanks for episode. Jay get the last scoop. Despite your rude interruptions throughout. It was a tremendous episode. You know, someone's got to really, when we'd be here, it's seven 40, we'd be here until 10 40. If it weren't for me. Jay, do you see the smiles on everyone's faces, Joe? Everybody sees too. Hey, I'm smiling too. Having a lovely time. Joe, you're, I know Jay's doer. I'm, I'm like, Jay's like, oh, okay. That. Thank you Ron. That was great. Thank you. Come on Ron. Christ. I mean, I'm usually the fun but a little energy jay for our desk. Someone's gotta be like the detail guy. It's, it's driving me crazy. What the love of God? I wanna be fun. Well, I just want to wish first of all, thanks to you two both. I don't know who, but one of you for having me coach Grassoff, you're, you're a special guest, so great seeing your face again and just wishing coach Torpey much, much success. You guys got an absolute gem on your hands and there's nobody better than him in the, in the business. And, and He's going to do wonders for Brown. So Torps, when I semi retired down here and you need a staff member, call me up, baby. Director personnel coach with those three hour lunches, come up and stay at your house. Yeah. I'll show you my undies again. Jesus. God. Brash. Brash. Thanks so much for coming on. And John, thanks for coming on so much. Look at him. My mate is here. He's loving it. He's loving it. It's great. Beautiful. Yeah. I know. Joe, you enjoy yourself tonight. Go up there and tell Julie, okay? Yeah. And thanks for staying overtime, guys. We really appreciate it. And we'll both, Joe, we'll take, we'll both take credit. I texted dog and said, why don't we get fresh in as the mystery guest and dog was on it. That's awesome. It was like to have both you guys on. It was awesome. Every time all American, baby. See you fellas. Love your brush. Love your kid. All right. Good night. Get some dinner. Good night guys. Thank you guys. Here's to hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the get the lax scoop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.