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S2 E45. Holiday Special: 2nd Half of Season Two Compilation, Part III.

Jay McMahon, Ron Dalgliesh, & Steve Gresalfi Season 2 Episode 45

In this episode of 'Get the LAX Scoop,' hosts Jay McMahon and Ron Doish, a.k.a 'Jaybird' and 'Big Dawg,' flip the script as they become the guests while roving reporter and former lacrosse player Steve Grisalfi takes the interviewing reins. The episode begins with a detailed introduction of Jay and Ron's storied athletic careers, both as players at Brown University and beyond. Ron shares his experiences playing at St. Mary's High School in Annapolis and Jay discusses his time at Garden City High School under coach Doc Daugherty. The conversation then shifts to the founding of Jay McMahon Lacrosse (JML) and its mission to elevate the next generation of lacrosse players. The hosts also dive into their own memories of pivotal college lacrosse moments under coach Dom Starsia at Brown University, emphasizing the importance of hard work, camaraderie, and resilience. The episode is packed with nostalgic stories, light-hearted banter, and a preview of the JML online courses and offerings. The show wraps up with a Q&A session from the viewers, touching on topics ranging from Ron's football career at Brown to the future hopes for the Brown Bears lacrosse program under new head coach John Torpey. This enriching episode is full of insights, humor, and lacrosse wisdom, making it a must-listen for LAX enthusiasts.

00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop Podcast
00:28 Meet the Hosts: Big Dawg and Jaybird
01:04 Roving reporter: Steve Grisalfi Takes Over
02:09 Steve Interviews Jaybird
04:12 Steve Interviews Big Dawg
05:26 High School Lacrosse Memories
14:05 The JML Lacrosse Program
17:31 College Lacrosse Experiences
28:41 Unforgettable Moments from the Loyola Game
30:22 The Journey to Senior Year Success
32:06 Playing for the Junior National Team
35:43 The Hilarious Jerry DiLorenzo
39:36 The Birth of the Get The Lax Scoop Show
42:03 Viewer Mail: Brown Bears Football and Lacrosse
47:08 First Impressions of Coach Torpey
51:10 Wrapping Up: Final Thoughts and Farewell

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​It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

Friends welcome to another episode of Get the lax scoop. I think tonight jay has lost his mind my co host He's decided to turn this entire episode over to our rovering reporter Steve Grisolfi. And the guests tonight will be none other than Jay Bird and Big Dog. That's right, Steve Grisolfi will be interviewing slash interrogating your co hosts. Jay, I'm, I'm not sure what you've done here. I'm having a mindless zen moment. I'm just going into my heart and not letting my mind go crazy over this whole situation. But I think Mr. Steve Grisalfi is going to step up the plate and hit a grand slam. Jay, what in God's name did you just say? Is this, is this what this whole episode's going to be? I, Steve, I just went into my heart and found my zen. Good lord. All right, well, Steve Grisalfi, apparently this is your episode, so take it away. All right. Well, hello, LAX fans. We have a special episode of Get the LAX Scoop today. This time we will flip the script, and Jay and Ron, who normally host the show, are today's guests. And today's host Me, your humble correspondent, Steve Grisalfi, who totally has the legit lacrosse credentials to do this job because I scored a goal against Dartmouth. Our first, our first guest was a brown bear playing midfield for the legendary coach Dom Starzia. He was a four year starter and a three time All New England, All Ivy, and All American selection. Move on. Go on, dog. I'm trying to get through this. Following his freshman year at Brown, he was a tri captain for the under 19 Team USA, helping lead the Red, White, and Blue to a gold medal in Adelaide, Australia, and was selected to the all tournament team, in case you hadn't heard. Yeah, thank God you mentioned that. Yes, lest we all forget. He played his high school lacrosse at Garden City, where he helped the team win their first ever New York State title. He was named an All American and was the Jim Brown Award winner as the Midfielder of the Year in Nassau County out of a strong field of midfielders that year, Ron. Following the graduation from Brown, he was a volunteer assistant for the Bears for one season for going to the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery. He ran his own multi office podiatric practice for 25 years and on the side coached youth and high school lacrosse for various organizations. In 2020, he formed J. McMahon Lacrosse. An organization that focuses on developing the skills mindset and lacks IQ for the next generation of lacrosse players Please welcome the miz the maz the maestro jay mcmahon Oh, yes Thank you, steve. Well, no one enjoyed that introduction more than jay. I can tell you I'm glad we're recording. I can just Pay you for that. Should we do that again? By the way, nobody when I when I think jim brown the first thing that comes to my mind is jay mcmahon. I mean good lord Run. It should be. How dare you? And I mean, I think I meant to say, Jay, that's tremendous credentials you have. Very proud of you. Thank you. All right. Our next guest was a four year letterman in lacrosse and football at Brown, where he started at defensive end for three years for the Bears. In lacrosse, he won the Contributed Most to Team Award two years in a row in 1990 and 1991 when Brown enjoyed an undefeated regular season and an Ivy League title. He graduated with a degree in political science and worked in the nation's capital for two years before returning to Brown to be an assistant coach for USILA Coach of the Year Pete Lasagna. He next became the head of development for the Brown University Sports Foundation, a position he held for over a decade. After that, he shifted his focus to secondary school education, working at the Moses Brown School, where he has been for the past 20 years. A native of the lacrosse hotbed of Annapolis, Maryland, where he was an all conference selection in junior and senior years and played for the legendary Jim Moorhead at St. Mary's high school. Please welcome the one, the only Ron, the big dog doglish. Thank you, Steve. I appreciate that. You're a little liberal with some of the math, but we're going to let it go. I mean, generally that was directionally correct. I don't know about the, uh, chronology. Does that make you like 75 years old? I mean, yeah, kind of Steve, exactly, exactly. All right. Well, Ron, You mentioned you played at St. Mary's High School with, Moorhead and,, that's, you know, it's in Annapolis, which is a serious hotbed of lacrosse, always has been, St. Mary's home to Hall of Famers like Brian Wood of Johns Hopkins and, who Jay and his friends enjoyed watching over the years, so tell us more about your high school experience and what it was like to play at St. Mary's for Coach Moorhead and all the other coaches there. Yeah, I mean, it was,, it was an incredible experience. I mean, he was, you know, he was an amazing coach and mentor. He was the principal of our high school. And, you know, you mentioned Brian Wood and Craig Bouvier. These guys were like gods, you know, when I was growing up and, um, it's a dog. Is that right? The lacrosse coaches position, his status was, he was the principal of the school. Is that how it always goes? Every lacrosse coach is the principal. I don't know, Jack, but ours was, that's incredible. Our lacrosse coach was the principal. And so, he was, I mean, that's when you know, lacrosse is big. Yeah. Uh, and you know, he was a huge influence. In my life in many ways and you know lacrosse was just everything at the school. I mean we had huge crowds and you know Seemingly every guy every guy on our team pretty much Went and played college lacrosse somewhere most of them back then at the d1 level you looked up to the older guys, there was sort of a culture of what it took to be great and the work that you had to put in. And coach Morehead was a big guy on using lacrosse to get educational opportunities. And he always preached that if you worked hard on the field and in the classroom and, uh, that you would get opportunities. And he delivered on that for, you know, a generation of St. Mary's guys. Nice. Now, Jay, you played for Legendary Coach in Doc Daugherty at Perennial Powerhouse Garden City on Long Island. Tell us about your high school experience and what that was like with Doc Daugherty as a coach. I remember Doc Daugherty as a wrestling referee, you know. Oh, yeah. Um, but he was all over the scene in Nassau County Athletics, but, uh, clearly, you know, Legendary Coach, uh, what was it like playing for such a, uh, you know, strong and large personality? Yeah, it was something, you know, approaching big doctority back in the day and even just to back it up a little further to give a little, layer to it was that 6th, 7th grade, we did get sticks. We, you know, didn't have the wood sticks anymore, being a bunch of my friends and it turned out to be all the guys who would eventually play varsity. Around my time frame, and we would just play together and play on our own, even though there wasn't a youth league, and then had a good junior high run there, particularly eighth and ninth grade, playing against Matt Panetta and, Pat McCabe and Mike Marinelli from Elmont. I don't know if we played Limbrook. I do remember. Not until junior year, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I remember in high school playing against you and Quint Kessnick, but, um. Yeah. But yeah, so then he was very intimidating doc. He he was about six to about 230 or 40 But it seemed like he was about 6 10. I mean it was like He was the size of Sasquatch, basically. And he just had a no nonsense kind of approach. And when I was a sophomore, I actually got cut from the varsity team. And it was like, Whoa. And I had played in the winter. They would have, lacrosse games in the tennis courts. And guys from all around would come. It wasn't just Garden City. In fact, I played against Dave Petromala. One of the first times, and the last, I ever played attack, I had Dave Petromala cover me. Never ran faster in my life, and still got whacked everywhere. But anyway, he, you know, he tells me, you know what, Mac, you know, I'm going to have you play JV. And I was just like kind of shocked. But then even though he had was such a hard ass, he had this softer side and he spent a lot of time telling me what he wanted me to work on and telling me how all these guys who were seniors on the team had actually been playing and starting since they were like in 10th grade. And because of that, they were very good. And, and I could learn a lot just by watching them. And so I did, Do a lot of work with the skills and, um and watch that team a lot. And then at the end of 10th grade, me and a few other guys like Keith Melchioni went up to varsity and got to go with the team through an incredible run. And I even looked it up a little bit to see like, why are these teams in the seventies from garden city with people like Timmy Worstel, who was literally in life magazine and a three time first teamer for Maryland. They had another guy. Paul Hollis was like an amazing attackman with Bristol on the same attack. They could never win Nassau County. They'd never won the Nassau County Championship at Garden City. And they'd been playing for like a hundred years. So that team that was the, the 12th graders, you know, when I was a 10th grader, they finally beat Levittown division to get to the county finals. They finally beat Manhasset. They finally beat Farmingdale. And then beat Ward Melville, uh, to win the Long Island Championship. And then go on, we went up to West Point, and played a really good Yorktown team. And that was like a nail biter, and won that one 10 9. And then went up to Cornell for the first state championship in Garden City's history. And, uh, we ended up getting shellacked by, uh, Wes Jenney. And they had, uh, Wurtzberger, who played at Maryland, and they had John Zalberti, who was just unbelievable. I mean, he was throwing, like, 60, 70 yard passes, like, right on the dime. And, and he looked, I think he was about 5'7 he looked like he was about 5'4 and it was like, who is this guy? But they, they whooped us about 10 to three, but that kind of broke the seal for like where we would go from there because I looked it up Garden City. Well, the next year, I'd have to look this up. The next year was junior year. We returned 1 starter Andy Krause, who was a phenomenal player. He had, he had been an all, the only all American on that team for the year before, graduated all those seniors. One of those seniors was Paul Basile, played at Navy. Another was Scott Hiller. Who played at UMass,

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both were multi-year all Americans at attack.

We played against him a bunch of times. And he also, he made Team USA, Scott Hiller, Peter Bennett played, was a All American at Hobart defenseman. This other guy, Birchall played at Hobart. But anyway, a lot of talented players in that class, but that really cracked the seal. And, the next year we just kind of walked through 125 and 0. And, we had a few tight games, but really not that many. It was crazy. I feel like the year before was more challenging and then senior year, we did well, we had a very good team, but we really underestimated a Yorktown team that, You know, didn't have a great season, but got to that regional playoff and we lost,

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So our final record that year was 23 wins and one loss.

but probably the highlight senior year was when we played, as coach Mike Murphy was saying on the show a couple weeks ago, we played New Canaan, who was ranked number one in the country, and they come to Garden City, and I'm facing off against Andy Towers the whole game, and, Mickey Cavote had a great game, Chris Sullivan, Greg Leder, Keith Melchioni, and we pull it out and we beat them 9 5, so that was pretty cool. But doc was steve was your question about playing for doc, uh, yes Or was did you say Did you say jay? Please name every player you ever played with and run through every season of your high school career I don't i'm not really sure that was the question. I just I kind of remember one of those nail biters He was talking about happening on uh at the field in limbrook. I think that was a 70. Yeah That was a tight one. Not many tight games that year. That was among the tightest. And I'll never forget taking an ill advised shot at the end of the game and Quint just gobbling it up and flying down the field. It was like 10 seconds left. The guys on the field like running with the clock. And I'm like, I watched the videotape of me. I just jump up in the air. I'm like, and your guy hits the crossbar. And then time ran out. It was like, Oh my. I remember that. I was, I, I, I fed that to Mark Feinberg on that one. And we watched the tape and, uh, speaking of Doc Darty, he goes, Here's, you'll see nicotine stains sliding down McMahon's shorts on this last play. And he kept replaying it. It's like, why are you shooting?

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How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that.

Folks, what Coaches Murphy and Kolbeck have described

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In a previous interview, just a few episodes ago.

is exactly why myself and Coaches Lars Tiffany and Kip Turner created the JML Courses. Because so many players out there, so many that I have coached, that coaches Tiffany and Turner, and we hear from coaches Kolbeck and Murphy, all they have come into contact with, are so close to getting what they need, but are not close enough. Players do need to play for a competitive club team and a high school, but that's not all. As these two highly successful coaches said, coaches Murphy and Kolbeck, Players also need the skills, mindset, and lax IQ training that's going to elevate their game and take them to the next level. So I urge all parents and players out there to invest in themselves. You're putting a lot of money into these clubs. Take a real small fraction of that and put it towards an opportunity. to learn these skills, mindset, and lax IQ training that we have to offer. We're giving our listeners an opportunity to get our program and there's live coaching support on the platform along with the pre recorded sessions. And we have a community of like minded individuals who are taking the journey with you and who can help you be accountable and get the most out of the process. You can do the training at any time you'd like. And we do advise though, as coaches Murphy and Colbeck mentioned that you follow the weekly workouts and then repeat that three to four times per week. This is for attackmen, long poles and goalies. Now you'll hear a little more about our offer. Big additions to the JML course catalog. Now we have a defenseman's course taught by none other than UVA head coach, Lars, Tiffany, and a goalie course taught by former two-time All-American and UVA assistant coach kept Turner. The best time of year to improve your game. And that's why we are making this special offer. So jump on it now because it won't last for long. Simply download the free version of the Jane McMahon lacrosse app. Or just follow the link that's listed in the show notes. And you will see the coupon code noted for each different course. Speaking of no guardrails that so many of our listeners describe the college lacrosse recruiting trail. So we've responded by putting excerpts of our 10 best interviews with legendary coaches, such as bill Tierney, Lars, Tiffany and Andy towers. Into a book that you can access for free on our JML app. Simply download the J McMahon lacrosse app at the apple app store or at Google play for Android and check it out. And for those. Who would like a book in their hands? Or on their Kindle, it is available on Amazon, under the title inside the recruiting game insights from college lacrosse coaches. And due to popular demand, we have put together a Patrion page for the show. This will allow those interested in supporting our efforts to do just that and to get exclusive access to unedited interviews. Big discounts on the JML online courses and merchandise from our new online store go ahead and check out the links in today's show notes. We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in So, Ron, we mentioned while at Brown, you played on some solid teams, one being a team that won the first playoff game in the program's history, and then another the following year. was an Ivy League champion and a team that had a undefeated regular season and a number two national ranking. So tell us in our listeners what your experience was like once you got up to Providence. And before he does, let me interject, please, because I'm looking at the question. It says, please tell us your high school experience and what it was like to coach with Dr. Hardy. So I think I answered it rather well. Thank you very much. Go ahead, Ron. I'm sure everybody appreciated that answer. Um, but, first thing, Steve, that I'll say about coming to Providence is that Dom started,, was, we all know was a tremendous recruiter. He had told me that the weather in Providence was very much like it was in Maryland. And so the first time I was up on the AstroTurf roof, uh, on the top of the OMAC athletic facility at Brown. And there were 42 shovels in a closet and we would have to shovel off the roof. Um, I suggested to Dom that we generally didn't practice in the snow in Maryland because it was warm. And cause you were too wimpy. Yes, Jay. Thank you. No, we, we, it was. It wasn't wimpy, we just had nice weather. Stomp promised me, illegitimately, would be my experience in Providence. And you believed him, Ron. Talk about gullible. My goodness. So bait and switch on the weather, right? But how, how did you find everything else once you got to Brown, Ron? But look, I, I mean, Dom, as we all know, he's, he's just an incredible human being and, you know, the way he motivated and inspired us, you know, it, it, it sort of was a storybook, uh, four years. Uh, I mean, as you and Jay both know from where we started, um, you know, with the, with the, Great class of 88 and just missing the playoffs, uh, on a one goal loss up at Cornell. And then a little bit of a shaky year in 89 we struggled. Um, to find ourselves, uh, that year, Jay, but, you know, with the addition of great recruiting classes behind us and guys, we mentioned like, you know, Andy Towers and, and Darren Lowe and Oliver Marty and the tremendous class of 91. And you know, the guys ahead of us, Tom Dwyer and, Lars Tiffany, now the coach of Virginia. I mean, that was just a great crew of people who are still, you know, our best friends to this day and to go up to UMass and win a playoff game in our junior year and then go up to the Carrier Dome in the quarterfinals and play against arguably the greatest college team ever assembled. And, uh, I would argue in the affirmative. But I think we, what did we lose? 18 to 12. And that was the closest anyone came to him in the playoffs. I think they won the national title 21 or 22 to nine. Yeah. And it wasn't that close. And so, I mean, that just shows you, you know, we may have been the second best team in the country that year. Right. Um, But, um, but, but that, I remember that experience as like, while they beat us, you're like, Hey, we're fricking good. You know? And I think in some ways that playoff win and even that loss to Syracuse emboldened our senior class. And the guys who were coming back that next year to feel like, Hey, there's nothing we couldn't accomplish. And to have an undefeated regular season and the highest national ranking in the school's history and, and to host a home playoff game. I mean, it was, uh It was just a lot of fun. And thinking about Dom back then, you know, he was like 35. Yeah. He's 20 years younger than we are now. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Absolutely. Jay, let's touch on some of your fondest memories on the lacrosse field and in practice while playing for Dom up there. Well as dog was saying, when I think back to that, that freshman year, I thought that team was super talented. Team that had a lot of depth. I mean, two really solid midfields, really good D middies, you know, Bill McComas was a first team All American easily on defense. He's just chewing up the best attackman in the country and you know, solid attack unit. And as Ron said, it came down to that Cornell game and to back it up even before that, though, that, that Brown team in 88, they were, you know, naturally three out of the, I was going to almost said there's four teams in the final four. We know that we got crushed by Syracuse, but the other three teams we had played that were in there and we lost to two of them in overtime and one of them by one goal, you know? So, you know, tying two of those teams of regulation, which was UVA. And Cornell. And then we lost to Penn in regulation 10 the pouring rain, but that team was so talented and it did come down to that last game. And if Cornell did not win that game, they would not get in the playoffs and they went to the finals. So that was incredible. And just such a battle, two veteran teams. I mean, we had a lot of seniors on our team and so did they, Tim Goldstein Bill McCombs covering him. I mean, it was like definitely two legends going at it right there. And Billy took the ball off a bunch of times, a couple of times, Tim Goldstein backed himself out of bounds to try to get away from Billy, but turned it over, but he's so cagey. He ended up with four assists, you know? So he definitely hurt us. And we ended up, you know, it was a 13, 13 tie and we just lost 14, 13 and OT. So that was amazing freshman year. I just want to interject there. When you mentioned Billy McComas, I mean, he was I mean, I don't think people realize how good he was. You know, he, he's not mentioned in those names from that era of the great defenseman, but he, he taught me how to play defense. He taught me how to throw checks. He taught me how to think about positioning on the field and angles. And like, he was a tremendous leader of that young defensive crew that came in that year. And I think. You know, I know for me, and I'm sure Dak and Gannon, like, he was He mentored us and took us under the wing. There's some seniors who just like, they don't want to even deal with the freshmen, but he, he really, I don't know. He, he helped us. Had a lot to do with, to, you know, with our success down the road. And there's not many teams that get a defender. To become a first team, all American who don't even make the playoffs, you know, it's usually to the Victor goes to spoils, but everybody recognized Billy was like, just really a ridiculous talent. So, yeah. Who was the the attack men and army. I remember the first game we play. Was it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I talked, I asked Dave Petromalo once. I ran into him at some summer tournament, you know, a youth tournament. Who's the best guy you ever played against? He said it was Betcher. So Billy, like choose this guy up. And that's who Dave Petromalo tells me. He threw his stick up at the air in the end of the game. Like I don't know what to do. Because Billy just kept stripping him. And that was a good Army team. And I feel like that's when our Brown team peaked. It was the first game of the year. We played amazing. This guy who could beat Dave Petremala, he'll be the first to admit it. Yeah, Bill McComas was probably one of the best lacrosse players, totally. Bill McComas was definitely one of the best lacrosse players I ever watched play in person. Right. Right. It was, it was just amazing. Cut Below? And, you know, Jay, you mentioned back, you know, when Garden City would go deep into the playoffs and it seemed like it was kind of breaking the ice. Right. Right. Right. You know, that great 1985 Brown team that won the Ivy League championship, that sort of got the momentum going in the 80s for us. And you know, we built on that year after year. You know, it didn't make it all the way as far as we wanted to every year, but you know, what does it take for a program, especially a program like Brown, to ramp up that, that kind of momentum? You know, where does it begin? We, you know, we're starting with a new coach, so What are your hopes for, for Brown in that regard as to how does a program build momentum? Yeah, I think, you know, just based on our personal experience, kind of what Dawg was saying, like we could see how close we were as freshmen with a heavily laden senior team and be like, you know, we are this close to getting that much. You know, going that much farther and you just get a distaste for losing. So I think you start to work a lot harder and we, you know, obviously that next year we were in our sophomore year, we had a few decent wins, but. You know, we were kind of just competing. I remember we led a game against Yale. I think we were winning six or eight, nothing at halftime and we lost that game. And it was like, You just get fed up, you know, so then it was really, it didn't really turn around for us, though, because we didn't really have the talent. We didn't really play well enough or improve enough until that junior year. I feel like we had a lot of momentum and that year. I mean, we were scoring tons of goals. Just a great, great team had a great. You know, fast break, great transition offense, rich too. He was a great shooter. But, and the team really came together. So I think, you know, it's that sort of thing. Like you get beat a bunch of times and you just kind of say enough's enough, get sick and tired of being sick and tired. And then you start getting momentum. And then, like Ron said, where we were there. You know, we're like, holy cow. We had the closest game to the best team that ever played in the playoffs. So what are we going to do next year? And we just came out that next year. And that was amazing to go undefeated in the regular season. And, you know, obviously highlights in that year, we beat number two, Princeton you know, dumb You know, it was obviously our leader, but I know in that game, it was really Paul Hooper and Pete Lasagna who put together a great offense. Like, we were playing a lot of run and gun that year, and they, we decided to slow it down and just control the game against Princeton, who's notorious for trying to control the game. You know, we got an early lead, and that's what they like to do, and we just rode it out and won a low scoring game, seven to four or seven to five, and they are ranked number two in the country. And then and then in fact, yeah, you remember the, the other thing like shout out to Pete for being an innovator. That was, we, we, we called it Alabama and that was, I think the first college game where, where teams were. We, we sub through the midfield and we played the sub game. That was exactly, they were just, that had never been done. I remember, I mean, we love coach Tierney. We had him on the show, but I remember his jaw was just on the floor and we were, because we were, no one had ever done that before. As far as I know, he had never seen. And I know that we were just keeping their guys on the field so long by subbing through the midfield. Pete really was an innovator. Yeah, it was crazy. And that was huge. No doubt. And then I would just throw in their final memories on that year. We played Loyola. Loyola had not lost on their home field in like three years. And you look up at the scoreboard and we're losing 12 to seven. You know, I think it was the end of the third quarter and we came all the way back and won 14, 13 with a few seconds left in the game. And that was incredible. And coach Cottle was so pissed, such a good guy, but you know, he was so pissed off and I remember actually Don Zimmerman was on the sideline with him. One time I got hit out of bounds during that game and I get, it was a turnover. And I remember Don Zimmerman and Cottle getting in my face. And I like got up. I look over at it. The guy next to him is Todd Curry, who was like an idol of mine growing up. The Syracuse Great Mitty. He just kind of looked at them and was like, guys, be quiet. I was like, yeah, be quiet. Then after the game, Todd Curry comes up to me. He's like, hey, dude, great game. So that that was a super highlight. Well, Jay, I'm going to, you know, I, I. I hesitate to throw comments your way, Jay, but that Loyola game, you put, you put us on your fricking back in that fourth quarter. You had a fricking hell of a fourth quarter. And I remember Scotty, I think it was Scotty Boyle, this really famous official from down there. I think his name was Scotty Boyle. And I remember him coming up the sidelines and we're making this run and he goes, he God, I love these games, you know, it's just like all caught up in the game, you know, right. It was such a freaking great game. They were a good team. They had Kovac, they had Blanding, they had a bunch of good players. It was crazy. Hey, can I, I want to go back to Steve's question about like the, the, what it took to get to that place we got to in our senior year and, and I think Jay, you alluded to this and I think this is like, again what I see so much today is this sense that it's just instant gratification, right? Then just because you get a bunch of good players together, you're going to win. I mean, as you, as you laid out there, Jay, I'm not sure. As we were like in that freshman year, did we really believe in our heart of hearts that we could beat the best teams in the country, you know, but by the time our junior and senior year came along, that had totally shifted like we I felt like we didn't back down to anybody. We didn't care who you were. We felt like we could beat anyone. And, and that doesn't just happen. You know, it, it happens through a process of, like you said, losing those close games to those teams that ended up being in the final four and learning from that and getting better players who now think, Oh my God, like these guys are on the cusp. And so, and then, you know, cause I don't think it's an accident that the guys who were freshmen in our senior year go on to play in the final four. I was just going to say that cause Pete was the first one who pointed that out to me. He's like, you know, those guys were freshmen watching you. And I think it definitely instilled in them, you know, this, this, we won't be denied kind of mentality and we should take it to the next level. So yeah, it, I think it builds, it builds on itself. And like you said today in this instant gratification, or if I'm not winning now, I'm transferring immediately. And it's like build something, create something. It takes time. And it's so much more meaningful at the end of it. Right, exactly. Good point. All right, Ron, I'm going to apologize for taking the interview in this direction, but I can't even believe I'm doing this. I don't think we've ever done an interview and we've had 75 episodes thus far. So let's make it 75 or 75 and Jay, I'm going to ask about your experience playing for the first ever junior national team back in. Oh, this was, this was going so nicely, Steve, nice to be remembered Ron is going on with you tonight. Yeah. Cause we never talk about this in the 75 episodes, let him finish the question. All right. So Jay you know, here you are, you have a blank slate, so let's let's fill it in. And you know, Tell us about the process of getting on that team what it was like, who were some of the characters on it. And and how you guys paired. All right. Nice. Sit back, Ron, relax. You can take a potty break if you need to. Yeah, here we go. Well, when I remember the the tryouts were down at the Hill school in Pennsylvania, and it was like extremely hot and that might've been like a camp 205. There was a ton people at those tryouts. And I remember, you know, just being really hot, you know, you're, you're trying to stand out. You're doing a lot of basic stuff though. You're literally doing two on one ground ball drills. One on ones was exciting because you're going against some great defensemen and great midfielders. Most middies, you know, and eventually when the team was formed, you're playing, you're a two way middie. You're, you're playing defense. There really were no D middies on that team and except for the LSMs. And so, you know, up and down the field a lot. And I actually remember Dr. Hardy coming up to me before the final scrimmage, and he's like, you know, a lot of these coaches are saying you, you know, you really need to step up if you're going to make this team. I'm like, me in particular? He's like, yeah, you. I'm like, okay. So I did play really hard in that game, but I think I actually was getting a little lost in the sauce because it seemed, felt like a really long tryout. I forget, we probably were there for a few days. I just remember how hot it was. I was swallowing ice cream. Yeah, wasn't it so freaking hot and muggy? Yes. And, you know, was it two days or so? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I think I was just like, you know, lost in the sauce. So I did play hard and was fortunate, you know, to make that team. And then the coaches, you had Guy Witten from Wilton, Connecticut. Who was a great guy. You had doc. Doherty was an assistant with Doug tearing. Doug tearing was St. Anne's Bellfield who we had on the show. Great guy. Bobby Shriver was a big time coach for Maryland. And so that, that was the coaching staff. And and then I was a little, I was a little irked. I'm like, really? You know, they're, you know, they're talking smack about me before the scrimmage, the doc telling me I'm going to get cut or whatever. And then we have a. handful of practices and then they like announced. Here's our captains. It's Mike Shatner. I was like, oh, no surprise. Billy Dwan, no surprise. And then they named me as a captain. I literally was like, what? And felt really weird. And then we were doing line drills and I like couldn't catch the ball and Doug freaking screams at me. He's like, McMahon, what the hell's the matter with you? Step up. You need to be a leader on this team. Damn it. And I was like, okay. And that was, that was weird. But from then on in, I was like, all right, you know, we got towers. We got Panetta. We're tremendous offensive talents. Maybe we need a little stability. I need to start catching and throwing properly. But it was a great team. A lot of characters, obviously, Andy Towers is a big character. So is Panetta. The biggest character though, on the team was Jerry D Lorenzo. This guy, did you know Jerry D? I had met him a few times. We never played division. So, you know, I, I maybe met him at Rutgers or something, but he was a goalie and he started since sophomore year. We would play them twice a year, every year. And he had such a mouth, just like a motor mouth, classic Long Island guy. And so he, he was just hilarious. And the trip overall was awesome. We were really fortunate. We got to go to Australia and we traveled all around. The games were in Adelaide, but we went to Melbourne. We went to Perth. We would stay with families and go to these parks you know, hold a koala bear and you know, pet kangaroos. And it was like amazing. And then the lacrosse was kind of secondary. They were not that good, you know, amazing players on that team. Like Pat McCabe, he was the MVP of our team. I mentioned Kavodi, Mike Shatner was really good. We're fortunate to have four guys from my high school, reg leader, Keith Melchioni, myself, and Mickey Kavodi. And but we did a lot of flights. We went to California first for like a whole week, maybe five days, San Francisco, and then after we went to Hawaii for like three days. So it was just like. The most fun trip ever and back to Jerry DiLorenzo. We would get on these flights and he would do this every time. We'd be on like a 747 huge flight. The plane, I never even noticed how quiet a plane would get before takeoff or as you're taking off. And you'd have that silence. And all of a sudden Jerry would go, Yeah, the whole plane would feel like it's like shaking and everybody every time be like a pause and then everyone on the whole plane would just start laughing hysterically. Guy was just hilarious. He should have gone stand up. But then we did, you know, We had a championship game against the only challenging game was against Canada the second time we played him. We kind of blew him out the first game. Second game it was a little close. They might have made it within a one goal game and we might have won nine to five as the final. But yeah, it was great. It was awesome. And you know, still stay in touch with a lot of those guys to this day. But thank you, Steve, for recognizing my presence. I gotta wake Ron up. Ron, he's done. You come back. Are you there? Just caught up on three days worth of text while Jay was going there. No, but Jay, it is an incredible honor to represent your country and to be named the captain. And I, I have a vivid memory of of course our other teammate, Mike Marinelli was part of that U18 team. And I remember going down to watch you guys play the Mount Washington lacrosse club. And they used to have this little field up off, it's kind of down a hill. It was like, this is man. And Mount Washington was like one of the great Maryland lacrosse clubs. And they had this kind of random field. I remember going to see you guys play down there. Yeah, that team, we didn't, the only game we lost was actually to a Yale quote unquote all star team, and we lost by like a goal, but we beat Mount Washington, we beat like everybody, that team was Talented and would get up and down the field. My midfield was called the LIE, Long Island Express. Freddie Amaya from Hicksville. He played at Syracuse and Timmy Corcoran from Half Hollow Hills East. He he played at Maryland and they, they were, they could fly. So yeah, it was, it was entertaining group but Tommy Towers, Jamie Monroe. Tom Dwyer all played on that Yale All Star team. And they never let me forget that, that, that we lost to them. The Yale and friends, Yale and friends, right? Yeah. Billy McComas was another friend he played. No wonder we lost. I think we're going to begin to wrap up the interview here. Jay Ron, Jay's interested in in approaching you as far as you know, we've, we've heard, and most of this is conjecture and pure speculation, but it's been widely reported in national news outlets that you and I were approached to start a podcast back in the fall of 2022. So tell us, How this get the lax scoop show came about and why you've been heavily involved in it since day one I I can just speak for myself that Back in the day, I went on a pledge trip with Jay and he's got some very compromising photos of me, so that explains my involvement. I still have those photos. Of course. I'm happy to do it. Duplicate. I'm happy to do it. I'm blinking. SOS tell me. Yes. Steve, I think we're all happy that we grew up before the age of cell phone photography. Well, I remember being on a ride home from work one night and my good friend Jay McMahon calling me and saying, dog, I wanna start a lacrosse podcast. And I think you would be a tremendous co-host. Did I say that? Well, whether you said it or not, thank God you recruited me. So there's some on air talent on this fricking thing. somebody who brings a little energy and enthusiasm. You know, can one of us has something other than just read questions off a sheet off a script. Jay can actually engage our guests. Well and I remember vividly saying to Jay that, well, Jay, that sounds like fun. And as you know, unlike you, I'm not semi retired doing this lacrosse skills training thing. I have a job and it's Out of school and my schedule is fairly full, but Jay, I will get on the air and do these podcasts, but I will do nothing else. I will not do, and ever since then, upheld that part of your bargain, nothing else, you have, you have kept criticizing. You have constantly tried to extend my contract beyond what I agreed to. And I have resisted. Not lately, I figured it out. I needed your help in the beginning and it just wasn't there but kind of like getting thrown out of the nest I had to fly. I figured it out All right. All right. So you guys made a mistake and started a big group chat this morning. Before you asked me to to host today's, episode so i'm going to take my host hat off and go back to the humble correspondent part of Email and we're going to go into viewer mail and most of these were sent in with requests for anonymity so, Ron, in your first football game on College Hill, the Brown Bears tied the Yale Bulldogs 24 to 24. They sure did. After that game, you lost nine in a row and finished your three year varsity career with four wins, 25 losses, and one tie. Oh, that side is 2020. But in retrospect, in retrospect, do you think you guys should have celebrated that tie a little bit more than you actually did? Steve, it's, it's funny you bring that up because that really was, that tie really was the highlight of my Brown football career. I, I, and there were such high hopes. And because that game, this was before ESPN showed like big time college football, they show the Ivy League game of the week. So my first college game as a sophomore on varsity, because back then there was freshman football. So my first college game was a live national broadcast. On ESPN because it was on ESPN like there was a big crowd. It's a beautiful saturday Yale was like the ivy favorites Brown was coming off a year, the year before they were seven and three and lost to Harvard 1914 for the Ivy title. So I'm like, this is going to be incredible. And I played in that game. I knocked the Yale quarterback out of the game for a series. I freaking rushed him along the sidelines. And, you know, we tie Yale and I'm like, holy shit, we're good. Like this was awesome. And I'm getting calls from friends and relatives. Hey, we saw you play. I'm like, this is big time. Didn't win a fricking game the rest of the way. Just, I will you start off undefeated. So it's a, you know, it was a good first game. I remember John Rosenberg, the football coach who is, who was a protege of Joe Paterno and coach with Paterno at Penn state the next year. He, we had had two terrible years in a row. And we're in the Sunday night meeting where you're doing film and starting to put the game plan in for the next week. And we're going into the Dartmouth week, which is second to last game. And our defensive coordinator put in a blitz package that was called fire. And in front of the whole team with two games left, Rosenberg gets up and goes excuse me. Could we not use any things like fire or fired this week? I think that's the last thing I want to hear. Now you're a freaking football player getting ready for a game and your coach is just like, basically like I'm getting fired. Can you not remind me? And yes, he was fired. This next question goes to you. You won contributed most to team. For the brown lacrosse team twice. So in your own words, what exactly did you contribute? It seems like maybe jay wrote that question I remember when I won that award Ron don't bring it back to me steve wrote. I remember when I won that award my senior year at the awards ceremony Jay was halfway out to accept the award And had to like, turn back and look at me, look at me, ruefully, he was going this way, and I was going back up that way. Well, I think my friend Jay said that it takes a team, it takes contributions from everyone, and I like to say that my passion and my enthusiasm My desire for us to be successful was clearly recognized by the coaching staff, if not my talent. Okay. Alright, so Jay, I have say Dom. Dom Char did stand by his decision to give dog that a word on this show. Yeah, we did. We corrected, we peeled the process and we were overturned. I got pushed back into my seat once again. I think, I think we can all agree that one of the greatest coaches in the history of our game is a very wise man. Who understands what it takes to build championship teams and recognize players as such Okay. All right. So part b of this question is jay as somebody who Contributed many, many goals and assist and many ground balls to the team for those years off. What are your thoughts about Ron receiving this award? Well, if it's the best thing for the team, then I'll go with it. But did you hear how hard that was for him? I thought he was going to turn into the Incredible Hulk there. He's still so angry. No anger. All right. Well, we'll wrap up this viewer mail with the last one, and it is a more serious one, and maybe both of you guys can chime in. What are your first impressions of new head coach Torpy, and what are your hopes and expectations for the Brown Bears lacrosse program in the near future? Good question. I friggin love the guy. I love the communication. I love the tone that he's setting and you know, I love what Dom said too. Like this guy's a brown guy, he's a worker, you know, and that's what this program's always been about. It's always been about work and camaraderie and, and he is clearly working his ass off. on the recruiting trail and he's focused in the right way, you know, I mean, quite frankly, I love that. He told the alums, don't expect to hear from me because I got work to do on the recruiting trail to recruit players. You know, I love that. And and he's also reached out to the alums right away about wanting our help and wanting us to engage in terms of supporting the players in their career development. And so. And look, the guy has proven in a program that's not easy to recruit and win, you know, he's put teams together that have beaten some of the best programs in the country. Now, having said all that, let's get back to what we were talking about before. It's not going to freaking happen overnight. Right. Exactly. And so we've got a, as a Brown lacrosse alumni community, give him steadfast support. Keep your pie holes shot. If you're not going to say anything supportive, we've got to get behind this guy. We've got to get behind this guy, get behind the kids and do what he needs to to be successful. Whatever he asks for. For how long? Let's do it for him. For how long? Look, as long as it takes. How long? As long as it takes Jay. That's the answer. I think you're hundred percent right. It takes because he's the guy, like, honestly, you look across the college lacrosse landscape, he's the guy and if it's not gonna work with him, it's probably not gonna work. Honestly, he's, he's not gonna leave any stone unturned. As far as recruiting's concerned. And he's a high energy guy. I know a few of his alumni here in the Richmond, Virginia area who played Frame High Point and absolutely love the guy. And he's, you know, one of those classic guys who's not just building great lacrosse players. And it's not just a cliche. He's building great men, you know, and I just can't think of a better person in college lacrosse to take this job. And let's face it. It's not an easy job. No. Right. Dom Storger was there for 10 years. He won two Ivy league championships. That's it. Right. So if he, if we give him you know, I'd like to see something before 10 years, but I guarantee you, if we give him three to four years, We're going to see something really significant happen. So I'm excited for Brown. I'm excited for him. And as Ron said, he said, you know, you know, I'm super busy and I know dog reached out to him and say, congrats coach and coach Torpey did not get back to him, but he did get back to me, even though I told him not to. So that's pretty exciting. I'm fired up. He's like, Jay, I've heard of you. You got a great reputation and you know, you're tremendous, whatever, whatever, I hear it all the time. But. But yeah, he he is so busy and yet he gets right back to me. So it's despite despite that error and judgment by coach torpey I'm fully supportive of everything that he's doing I also think I also think we got him on the show, right? Well, we will we will I I also think It's a really exciting time for Brown Athletics. We've got a great athletic director. You know, the outgoing Chancellor Sam Mankoff is a huge proponent of athletics, as is the incoming Chancellor Brian Moynihan. President Paxson has really stepped up and given Brown Athletics the resources they need to be successful. So, Like, I think it's our job as alums to, to answer the call and do everything we can because we, you know, as our football team did well, basketball team did well, the soccer teams are doing well. Yeah. It's all the sports are turning around. So lacrosse has got to be the next one. Women's team was doing better last year. So, yeah, All right, Jay. Well, that wraps up the viewer mail. Fantastic. Well, guys, this was a tremendous outing for the Get the Lack Scoop podcast. Thank you, staff. gentlemen, friends, family, for being here tonight. Hopefully this will be one of our best and most listened to episodes. Of all time. Well Steve, Steve, there's no doubt that an episode that Jay will enjoy the most is one where he talked a lot. And so I, I don't think there's any doubt that Jay's going to appreciate and enjoy this episode. Nothing worse than guests who don't give long answers with lots of flavor. So that's what I was going for. And thank goodness I can edit this as much as I see fit. Well, Jay, you're nothing if not flavorful. Well, we're all about content creation. So you know, that's right. Call me Flavor Flav. All right. Signing off

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until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.