S2 E44. Holiday Special: 2nd Half of Season Two Compilation, Part II.

In this episode of Get the Lax Scoop, hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird bring together some of the biggest names in lacrosse. They welcome guests Coach Chris Panos and Coach Bob Tarring, who share their extensive experiences in both national and international lacrosse. Topics span from collegiate careers, including Panos’ time at Hofstra under Coach John Donowski, to Tarring’s coaching stints and the evolution of the indoor lacrosse game in the U.S. The episode delves into the journeys of these lacrosse legends, showcases the vibrant lacrosse culture in places like Long Island and Baltimore, and provides insights into training programs offered by Jay McMahon's JML Skills, Mindset, and LAX IQ Training. Listeners also get a sneak peek into new JML course offerings and special promotions.

00:00 Introduction to Get The Lax Scoop Podcast
00:23 Meet the Hosts: Big Dawg and Jaybird
01:10 Special Guest: Coach Chris Panos
01:34 Chris Panos' Lacrosse Journey
03:38 Special Guest: Coach Bob Tarring
05:00 Bob's Lacrosse Legacy
06:20 High School Lacrosse Culture
11:33 JML Lacrosse Training Programs
12:26 Exclusive JML Offers and Promotions
14:56 Bob's Coaching Career Highlights
24:27 Chris Panos' College Lacrosse Experience
26:42 The Journey to Coaching
28:10 Indoor Lacrosse Beginnings
29:10 The Roller Skates Experiment
30:52 Building the Super Series
33:42 The Rise of the NLL
34:41 Chris's Professional Lacrosse Career
40:15 Team USA Indoor Lacrosse
43:17 Fun and Trivia
49:10 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

MacBook Pro Microphone: 0:59

Holiday greetings everyone. We're excited to recount highlights of the second half of our second season. I'll let the big dog take it from here. Enjoy.

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Lacrosse fans, welcome to another episode of Get the Lac Scoop. We've got two really exciting guests tonight who I think span an incredible breadth of experiences in the game of lacrosse, both nationally and internationally, and we're really excited to get things started. So, Jay, as is our practice, will you kick off the intros? Absolutely, Ron. Here I go. Our first guest is a graduate of Hofstra University where he played for the legendary coach John Donowski. He was a four year starter for the Pride and was named All Conference in the American East in 1995 and 1996 as he led Hofstra to two straight NCAA tournament appearances. Following his collegiate playing career, he spent 12 years competing in the National Lacrosse League after going number four overall in the NLL's 1997 draft. He became an NLL World Champion and NLL All Star. He was also a nine year member of Team USA. With Team USA's indoor team, he was a bronze medalist twice, a Team USA Bowhunter Cup Champion and Heritage Cup Champion, and while playing in the Canadian Indoor League, also known as the Canadian Lacrosse Association, he was a three time Man Cup Champion. Over the years, he has coached in the high school as well as the collegiate ranks. As an assistant at the University of Tampa, he helped the D2 Spartans to three Sunshine State Conference titles and a number five national ranking. He next coached at Queens University in Charlotte, North Carolina. for seven years. Two is an assistant in five years as their head coach, leading them to top 15 national rankings and helping them transition to division one lacrosse in 2023. Currently, he serves as the assistant coach for the Greece men's national field team, as well as being the head coach for the Greek national box team. which will be competing in the World Indoor Lacrosse Championships this September in Utica, New York. And, currently he is the Assistant Athletic Director and Head Coach for the newly formed Fork Union Military Academy Postgraduate Lacrosse Program. Please welcome the one, the only, Coach Chris Panos. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. And I've been following your guys podcast and you've got some incredible guests and appreciate the introduction. Lacrosse has been really good to me and it's a, it's a pleasure and an honor to be with you guys tonight. Awesome. Great to have Chris. We're really psyched to have you. And we're also really excited to have a member of your coaching staff, who over five decades has been a national leader and a coach at pretty much every level of the game There is he was part of two national championship teams, one at his alma mater. Down in Charlottesville at UVA in 1972 and the other with Towson the Towson Tigers in 1974 back when they were a division two team and they won the D two title. Over the years, he's coached 49 All Americans, 16 Hall of Famers, and two ILF Grandmaster World Championship teams. He's a 1968 graduate of UVA, where he played his collegiate lacrosse, and he began his coaching career with the Cavaliers under the legendary coach, Glenn Thiel, who many of us know went on to then coach at Penn State. A real one of the real legends in the game Coach Thiel, obviously. Now in the early 80s our guest worked as the Executive Director of the U. S. Lacrosse Foundation and the U. S. Lacrosse Hall of Fame. So his role in the national evolution of the game Is well known. He served as an administrator, television commentator and head coach of Team USA and the indoor lacrosse league, which would later become the home of professional indoor game. Of course, none known to us today as the National Lacrosse League over the years. He's made coaching stops at the University of Baltimore, Goucher University and this high school alma mater, Saint Paul's Coach, I'm a St. Mary's guy from down there in Maryland, and thank God we've got some Southern representation here. Now he's currently the defensive coordinator with Chris at Fork Union, working in the inaugural season of their postgraduate program please welcome. And it's a real honor for us to have coach Bob tearing with us, Bob. Welcome. Thank you very much. And and Jay, it's quite an honor to be here. And you know, we're, we're working very hard to make this new program work. So thanks for having us on. We appreciate it. Well looking forward to the discussions. It's going to be great. I'll tell you, I mean, you missed one coaching stop and that was at Stevenson university. Oh yeah. That's right. Oh, wow. Yeah, he was he was very interesting to work with quite a guy, you know, it's been so much fun for us. You know, this podcast is all about relationships that have formed in the game and, and the communities we've all built through the game. And I'm just so fascinated by all the different ways you both been engaged in the game. As I said, both yeah. You know, nationally and internationally and in the field game and in the box game. Well, Chris, you hail from an even bigger hotbed, I might add, growing up on Long Island, playing for Satrum High School in Suffolk County. So please tell us in our listeners what your high school experience was like. Yeah, well again very competitive. You know, just really kind of worked my way through junior high and then through the ninth grade team and then the JV team really didn't get called up. We had so many kids, we had about 70 kids, you know, trying to try out every single year. Right. So we had two freshmen teams of JV team and then obviously a varsity team. So the first two years just again was one of the top scorers on the team, you know, captain, things of that nature. And then like I mentioned earlier, when My junior year kind of rolled around. There was an opportunity for me. So I went to St. John the Baptist for my junior year and did really well there. And then I wound up working my way back to St. Jude for my senior year. Which again was a great year. We lost in the county championships to an incredible team. level team to put it in perspective, both starting 10 of each team. We're all division one. So you can imagine the competitiveness there. I think we lost nine, seven, if I remember. But coach Rick Mercurio, Tony Patillo, just incredible coaches there. So for me you know, it was just an opportunity to be part of a really good program and very competitive. And I think it really set me up for future success. Right. That's great. Yeah, we used to end up playing word volleyball often in the you know, Long Island Championship and we used to have a ton of players and then you'd see these guys in college for four years after that. Okay. Enough. Enough. Long Island, Bob. Let's get back to where lacrosse. We know where the Mecca was, but Bob, you, you alluded to this, like having grown up in Annapolis and just feeling like it's hard when I tell people that my high school didn't have baseball, same areas when I was there, didn't have baseball. Now we had, that was awesome. Yeah. We had middle school, we had a middle school, freshman, JV and varsity lacrosse. That was it in the spring. If you wanted to play a field sport and you alluded Bob to like how big it was. Can you tell people who didn't grow up in Baltimore, just like how big the sport was and how prevalent it was? Well, in the private school league, which St. Mary's was one, you had McDonough, Gilman, friends. Boys Latin. These names you're hearing Yeoman, you're hearing them now. And then when I was playing, I mean, we played against some of the best players that ended up a Joe Cowan. I had to play against him every year. One of the greatest all Americans that Hopkins ever had and still is a Hall of Famer and everything else. The competitiveness of what was then the M. S. A. Is now the M. I. A. A. And I had the privilege of coaching two years at my alma mater at St. Paul's and then two years ago at Loyola High School. The competitiveness is still there. I mean, it is a war. And the draw for the colleges from those programs is unbelievable. I think that the whole first team at the Loyola year two years ago went to good colleges and some very, very good division one schools. So the coaches are looking. The competitiveness has always been there. And it's, you never know. I mean, right now, Boys Latin, McDonough. Are probably the top line. But a few years ago, St. Paul's was one of the best. St. Mary's was a good team for a good while. So the competitiveness from that MSA and some of the public schools like Towson, Delaney, Hereford they're just, they're just everyone is so tuned in. You have huge crowds. On a Friday night or Friday afternoon at these games. Enormous crowds. Parents all know each other. They all socialize. And and then it's interesting. A lot of these kids play club in the summer and they mix and match these teams. So the kids get to play against each or with each other in the summertime. So it's it's a religion. It really when you say Ron, it's a religion in that area. It really is. That's great. I do remember it was cool. Like the newspapers, like if you go down and Hopkins is recruiting you, the first thing they show you is the Baltimore sun and how okay. Lacrosse is on the front page and not just the colleges that a lot of high school stuff, but you know, like in that game, we played against Dennis Goldstein. He was player of the year. Yeah, I was the 1st team. All American. Annie Krause was a 2 time 1st team all American. So you had a lot of talent up there on Long Island too, but that's the last I'll say of it. But Ron, go ahead. You can take the next question. Why are you interrupting Bob, Jay, with this nonsense, this Long Island nonsense. You went completely off script. Bob's going on a tirade. I'm so sorry, Bob. This was unscripted, everyone. Good thing I have wonderful editing software. I have empathy for the guys up there. I know. Me too, Bob. Believe me. No, I mean, I, I remember I have a brother who's, who's 16 years younger and like, you go into the hospital in Annapolis and like half the, You know, the little cribs in the, in the nursery, they got lacrosse sticks in there, literally, literally, you know, so when you say, you know, fourth grade, like kids are literally born with a lacrosse stick in their hand area. Yes, they are.

Jay: 11:33

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literally the road has no guardrails, has no guardrails,

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We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in progress. Let's, let's, let's, let's flash forward to another place near and dear to our heart. Cause we've had a lot of Brown connections that at UVA. And, and Bob is you started your coaching career there at your alma mater and helped the Cavaliers win a national championship. So that must've been an unbelievable experience. Can you, can you reflect on your playing days and then going on to be part of a national championship coaching staff? Yeah, my, my playing days were not, were, were nothing really to talk about. We had wooden sticks and Virginia in the sixties was just a so so team. And then later in the, in the 60s, I would say I was 68, 69 on is when the program really started to rise into prominence. In 1970, they were three time champions. That's when the Miller division would vote on a national champion. There was no N. C. Double a until 71. And in 71, the team went 10 and O. And it was interesting because Buddy Beardmore was a coach my fourth year and my brother's coach. His first year, Doug Terry. Oh yeah. Buddy Goodmore was huge. Buddy left and went to Maryland. He always wanted that job. And so he left Virginia and then Gene Corrigan was our boss. He, he hired Glenn Thiel and I got to work with Glenn. We were the two youngest coaches in the country. And and we had a heck of a staff with Peter Coy, who's an All American, Doc Showalker, who was an All American who all were also on that staff. But 72 was an interesting year. We we had graduated a lot of guys in 71, or they had, and I ended up with, I ended up as a goalie coach, and I knew about as much about it as I do programming on a computer. So I had to start making calls everywhere because Glenn said you're working with the goalies. So I had a guy named Scotty Howe and a guy named Rodney Rollman. And Roma's from the island. His brother played at Virginia Charlie. And so I was stuck with this kid in my ear all the time from the Long Island accent, you know, Scotty was all Maryland from Gilman. So he got the nod. And when he first came and Scotty did a good job, but I kept watching this kid Roman working in, in in, in, in practice. And he just kept getting better and better. And so finally Glenn and I sat down one day, gave him the start at Navy, and the rest is history. He has turned out, turned out to be one of the best goalies ever. And Scottie took a long stick. But that experience you go in as a rookie coach, and you end up winning a national championship. And you're standing in Byrd Stadium, one of the other meccas of the game. And I don't know how, maybe five, six, seven thousand people there. And it wasn't the sellout that everybody talks about. But just the atmosphere of getting there. We were very lucky. We got, we, we lost all three big games that year. Navy, Maryland, and Hopkins lost. We ended up number eight, which luckily we beat W and L in the last minute at W and L. And that was with Lickfus and Bauer and that crew. Had we lost the game, we would not have gone to the playoffs. So we win the game. We go in number eight. Wow. We had Army as the first draw. Who was I'm sorry. We were seven. Army was two. Army had a concert, so they had to come to Charlottesville right after exams. So when they arrived in Charlottesville, they were tired. They didn't want to be there'cause they were supposed to have a home game. We beat Army at home. Second game, a team named Courtland State. I'm a division one team coached by Jack and I cover. That's right. And there are more coaches that came off of that team, including Billy Tierney. Bill Tierney, right. Was on the team. Billy Tierney was on that, on that team. There were about Stan Kowalski, who you guys know from the island. There are about four or five guys that are top notch coaches that came off of that team. We go up to the island and we were warned that between Hobart and Cortland that they bring fish to the stadium and throw them at the opposing team. So we warned our whole team about this in the locker room. And, you know, so we came out to play Embers team. And of course, we just blew them out of the water. A guy named Jay Connors, Hall of Famer, just went banana. I think Jay had 87 or 89 points. They gave a standing ovation So then we go to Burns Stadium to play Hopkins for the second time, famous Bob Scott. And it was interesting. I coached in 73. That was his last game was also a semifinal at Hopkins, but it was a great game. Jack Jack what's the name? Oh, shoot. I can't think of his last name right now. It was super all American. We had, we had two or three all Americans, Boo Smith and Rodney's in the goal. It was 1211. And that's when the final whistle blew and we had won the national championship and it was, it is no feeling like that. There's absolutely no feeling like that. And it was the first national championship that Virginia had ever won in anything except boxing. Wow. Wow. And so we're the first to win a championship at the University of Virginia. That's great. There's nothing like it. I mean, it's an experience. And your brother Doug was part of it. My brother Doug was an attackman on that team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he was one of our great attackmen. We had four good ones, five good ones, and he was one of them. And he played on that team for, for the national championship. It was interesting, to coach your own brother. Now, Bob, you know, you're, you're a young guy, but you give me hope. Like I've, I fricking love listening. You talk about this. It's it's like, it's yesterday. Like you're going and you're leaning in. It's so awesome to hear your passion for the game in those days. Bob, we're going to let the Long Island guys get back to chatting in a minute, but you know, I just got one more. It's unbelievable. All these names that you keep mentioning that are the icons of our game. And you coach with another one, cause you went on to Towson and you coach with Carl Runk, right? Another guy who was one of the, you know, the legends of the coaching world. And, and you want another title with him. I know you were there for five So talk about what you learned from coach Thiel and maybe and, and compare that to coach ronk and his totally more too. Yeah. And beer more. Yeah. Total contrast. Yeah. I'm asking the questions. I don't want to get you two in a fight. I mean, we're, you know Chris and I argue all the time, but the, the, the coaching styles for both of them were absolutely opposite. Glenn was a strategist. And he gets a little bit of grief because of the program when it was tougher recruiting, but he had a great authentic mind. I really learned a lot from him in terms of the game, Carl football mentality, rough and tumble. You didn't like what you were doing at halftime. He put his fist through a locker. I mean, I witnessed that twice, you know and if you're interested, Glenn. Really planned. Well, we worked very hard when in practice plans and planning for different teams. Carl kind of let us as assistants do our job. It didn't mean he didn't step in, but, you know, if we had a, like I was a defensive coordinator and so he let us do the, do the kind of defense that we wanted to do. And I took a little different approach, which was and I don't want to take anything away from Bill Tierney, but I started back and from the crease back then, and of course, Billy Billy took D1 to a different route with that but it was always between us and Hobart. And Jerry Schmidt, who I mentioned before, was the coach at Hobart. And the rivalry was just blood. And I had two of probably the best players I've ever coached, William Bob Grebe and Jimmy D'Arcangelo. Both of which could have played, well, they played world team. They were two of the hall of fame. And I got to work with those guys for two years. And I'm telling you, it was the most incredible experience that I had. And I luckily was worked with three all American goalies there while I was there too. But that experience was, was tremendous. We're in the playoffs every year. We beat Virginia, which did not sit well with Carl was afraid to hire me. Because he didn't trust me coming from Virginia and you're a spy or something. Well, no, I don't know what he was thinking. But anyway, one of the assistant coaches said, coach, you got to get him. He's here. I just moved back to Baltimore. So I got the job, but that was rewarding. So I had two national championships in two years. I mean, in three years, that's, that's pretty, it's amazing. But what an experience that was watching that program go from a D one to D two, I mean, D two to D one. You know, it was, it was really experienced. But Carl Runk is still one of my closest friends. And I see him at all the reunions and we'd go back to Towson. He's still a big strapping guy and loved him dearly. And we, I, in fact, we used to have to go in our office cause we couldn't stop laughing from his jokes. If you heard it in the national convention, when he was MC, you couldn't stop laughing during the lunch. That's great. That's beautiful. Now, Chris, speaking of legends of the game, you played for quite a legend in coach John Donowski at Hofstra for four years and helped lead the team yourself to two straight NCAA tournament appearances. And as you mentioned, had the game winning goal against Brown in 93. Ouch. Jay Stolfert. Sorry. But tell us, you know, in general, what your college lacrosse experience was like, and then what coach Donowski was like. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was actually last minute decision to go to Hofstra. Now, mind you, growing up as a kid, my dad would always go to those games. And that was kind of like my hometown team. And I would, I love football. I love college basketball. So I was thinking Big Ten at the time, Coach Thiel. Was that Penn State? And it was just like, I kept, I kept going all of these Hofstra games. I'm thinking myself you know, look, just looking at the opportunity place, coach Nowski, not too far from home, you know, playing for him was a tremendous honor. Obviously he's an incredible coach, hall of fame pedigree. And just at the time, obviously he's broadened his horizons and he's doing all these great things and team USA and all those things, but we were more of a conservative team at the time because most of our team was comprised of upstate New York. And, and Long Island guys, we really didn't have many guys from other areas at the time. And we would always have these, these locker room battles or on the field battles with, with whether upstate lacrosse or Long Island guys, and who was tougher and who was better. And we beat you and last year in high school and all those things, which made it super competitive and fun. But we had tremendous coaches there. Seth Tierney was an assistant while I was there. Bill Wilson air force head coach was while I was there. I played Joe Amplow. Who's the Navy coach. Yeah. Went to SACIM together. He's a couple of years younger than me. We were also roommates for a year at Hofstra. Chris, if you remember Chris Colbeck from Loyola. The staff for a year. So just obviously, you know, we were playing all the operational on teams, you know, great schedule. So for me, it was a great four years and we were fortunate enough to get to two tournament appearances. And you know, for me, it was just, it was probably the best choice for me because my parents could see my games. I could go home in 45 minutes, but I was far enough away to kind of grow up. So credit to coach Danowski for, you know, believing in me. That's great. Now has did coach and ask you influence you as far as getting into the coaching game as a profession? And does he influence you as a coach today? Yeah, good question. You know, it's kind of I took a different road to coaching. It's like, I was really geared to playing professional lacrosse. That was kind of my goal, indoor lacrosse. So I kind of, you know, I kind of started. You did a lot of lacrosse training too, right? You did a lot of lacrosse training. Like you've got your Panos lacrosse shirt on. I know you've done a lot of teams and youth skills training, right? So I, I've traveled quite a bit. And again, with the NLL, I kind of bounced around fortunately or unfortunately, I was part of four or five franchises that fall when they were more mom and pop operations. So you know, I was on a lot of different areas in the country, so I got to see a lot of the the USA and Canada, but I think I was out in California and I was thinking, gosh, you know, yeah. NCAA coaching would be a unique opportunity. So coach Whipple, I was living in LA at the time. I was looking to make a, make a move back to the East coast to be a little bit, at least in the same time zone with my family on Long Island. Coach Whipple gave me an opportunity and Just kind of cut my teeth down there for three years. And I just kept sticking with it. And obviously speaking with coach Danowski on many occasions as a mentor and just kind of just really just watching him and how he's able to adapt and build relationships and obviously the culture piece as well. So I had firsthand privy to that as a player for him. And obviously you're seeing a success with Duke and obviously USA. So it's it's a privilege and an honor to look back on my, you know, my time with coach right? That's great. No, Bob. Interesting tie in with the indoor game because back in the early eighties, you know, you were really instrumental in getting some indoor lacrosse going in the U. S. And from what I heard initially, it was like a USA versus Canada series that got started. But right off the bat, they wanted the players on on roller skates. Right. And they were like, and when, as far as having a tryout, everyone's on roller skates, playing lacrosse, right? Didn't that happen? I can't believe about that. You looked at it, not one of my favorite coaching situations on a couple of the marketing guys from the Kansas city chiefs. Evidently had seen box lacrosse. I had just left the U. S lacrosse or lacrosse Foundation, which is now USA lacrosse and a guy named Ira Blumenthal, who I knew who played a thousand approached me and said, Look, these guys are looking to organize some kind of an indoor game with lacrosse. Would you be interested? I said, Well, yeah, why not? Let's look at it. Well, I had a meeting with them in Kansas City and came back and They wanted to do roller cross because roller something at roller derby. Never, ever even knew that I did roller derby. I had my hands when they called me and told me it was a killer. They called him. I had, I got a bunch of guys together. We rented a roller rink and hockey players like Doug rate of ball and a few others that could skate. And I, we went through one practice. And I finally, I just said, okay, guys, thank you. And I called Chris back in Kansas City and say, Chris, thanks for the opportunity, but this is not where we're going to go here. So I went back out and sat and talked and they said, well, it'll work here. I said, well, you know, there's a game played in Canada. Which is pretty similar and pretty popular up there. It's a, it's a state, it's a country sport. So how about we look at developing that in this country? So they said, okay, what do you want to do? So I had the pick of any lacrosse player I wanted in the United States. I chose every all American that I could find. Darkie Angelo is one of them, right? Darkie you know, you John Tucker. I mean, I could go on. Yeah, John. Steve Sanderson. Nothing but all Americans. Greedy and Grevy played. And and so I went out and found the best I could buy. We had tryouts. And here I am a coach watching. I mean, it's like playing coaching one of the pro teams today. There was not a drop off in talent anywhere. And I had to choose 10 or 12. I had to choose 18 players. We got down, we had some alternates in there and then we set up what was called the super series and what it was, it was a marketing campaign. To travel between Canada and the U. S. to see what's, what cities would be best for franchise, and they wanted to sell franchises. So we went everywhere. We went to B. C., we went to Toronto, we went to, to you know, Detroit, we went to Syracuse, we went to Long Island, we went to Baltimore, Washington, you name it. Because there had been a, a, a box league earlier in the 70s. That didn't go very far that was playing in old hockey rinks and this is kind of a revival. So we got television and it was very well received everywhere we went and especially in Canada. We had huge crowds in those arenas and Chris has played in them, you know, they, they vibrate. And of course, the Canadians, John Grant Sr. was playing for Canada, you know and, and some of the great, great, Kevin Alexander, probably one of the best shooters I ever saw in my life for playing for Canada. Well, we got killed and the ego of these all America was like, we don't lose coach. We don't know. Why are we doing it? I said, you don't know the game. That's what's wrong. Yeah. So, we trained and trained. Two of the games were the Spectrum. The first one, they killed us. Second time, we came back. And they would get big crowds at the Spectrum. Oh, the Spectrum was packed. It's like 19, 000 people or something. It Hockey fans and wrestling fans. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the way they sold it and they sold it. They wanted fights. Yeah. Our referees were told if they start to fight like hockey, let them go for a while. I didn't like that at all. My type of coaching at all through the crowds. Well, we won the game, the second game in the spectrum and the place went bananas. I mean, throwing beer bottles on the status on the on the, you know, on the court, we'd have a celebration, but that's what hockey fans and wrestling fans do. So I became a success and we picked a franchise cities. I did not recommend Baltimore and they choose Baltimore. It just, it Baltimore saturated. And I did see a field game. Yeah, I did for two years. And then did you play there? Chris won in Baltimore. Yeah. 1998 was the Baltimore thunder. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't make it, but anyway, so it progressed. I went up in the television booth and called the games from the, on the coaching side. We hired a Canadian coach. And it grew. It went to the M. I. L. L. Got to be got some of the franchise. The same guys were involved from Kansas City. And it grew and it grew and then cities picked up franchises a lot failed as Chris could tell you because it were mom and pop, but now it's established as a, the National Lacrosse League is one of the most stable professional leagues in the, in North America. And it was just a thrill to be involved with that, at least from the beginning. That's great. Well, we've got a lot with the skates within the watching these guys fall down. I'm glad it wasn't taped. Somebody wanted to tape it, but it was things. The things you've seen in the game of lacrosse are remarkable. Yeah. And we, and we've got a lot of pride in the, in the NLL today. One of our you know, a guy I coached at Brown Brett fruit, of course, is now the commissioner of the NLL. Yeah. Yeah. Good, good brown guy and him on the show. Yeah. Yeah. So Chris, it's fascinating, right? With all those stories that Bob shares. And then you go on to an incredible indoor career. And I know I've been recognized as one of the top 20 American players of all time in the NLL. So tell us from those humble roller skate beginnings, Bob was describing Chris to what that professional lacrosse career was like for you. And I'm also interested, did you, did you really commit yourself to the indoor game? Or, you know, when the MLL started to come around. Did you, did you think about that venue? And so, so tell us about your pro career. Yeah, well, it's interesting because back in 97, it was actually still the major indoor lacrosse league with the spandex and the fanfare, and it was, it was awesome. And it was just really a league that I looked up to for the simple fact that my idols growing up were like Gary and Paul Gate. I had an STX poster on my wall. Those guys like dunking the ball over someone's head, John Canaris, I believe it was. And it was kind of like, how do I play in that league? And I was just doing more research. I actually, My first real taste of box lacrosse was at a pro skills lacrosse camp when you referenced John Grant Sr. earlier and his son was up there, John Grant Jr. I, my parents put me on a plane to Toronto when I was like 13. Yeah, you're going to go to this camp at Trent University and someone's going to, someone's going to pick you up at the airport and like call us on the pay phone. It's like, you'll figure it out. You're 13, like go for it. So I wound up going up there and I don't really have any box experience. You're ahead of your time Chris. I mean, everybody's doing that these days. Yeah. So I'm there for like eight or nine days and we're playing a little bit of box a little bit of field and I'm kind of I'm doing really well and the kids are thinking you don't play box lacrosse and you're from Long Island but like you got all these skills like how did you how have you been able to develop that it's like I would watch a lot of videos and watch a lot of Boss Cross because it just caught my eye. My dad took me to a New Jersey Saints game back when I was about 11 years old. And the funny story about this was we went to the New Jersey Saints game at Brendan Byrne Arena at the Meadowlands. Okay. It was an afternoon game. And we had all intentions of leaving that day and going home. Turns out my dad locks the keys in the car. We go out to the car after the game. We're locked in there. There's a, you know, thousands of people trying to leave. The devils were playing that night. So they're turning the turf back to the ice. We wound up hanging around and going to the devil's game. But I was so enamored with the box lacrosse game on the way home. I said, dad, I'm going to play in that league one day. And he's like, yeah, okay. That's amazing. And so my next, Kind of introduction to boss across was like, I just referenced. I went up to the pros goes across camp. It was awesome. And made a lot of fans. I still friends with a lot of those guys today. And fast forward to 1997, I had just finished four years at Hofstra and I wound up getting picked in the first round fourth overall, which in any other league in gazillions of dollars for me, it was like, they call my name and it's like, now what, what do I do? Where do I go? How does this work? I have to try out for the team. I make the team, but then you only get paid if you actually were in the lineup. So my first year with the Boston Blazers, I think I played in two games. The games used to be back on ESPN2 with Leafs, it was awesome, they had a show during the week to kind of build up the weekend games, but I only played in two games, but being the first pick first round, fourth pick overall, I was like, wow, I gotta, I only played in two games, I'm like, how do I get more experience? So I had a couple of teammates, Marty O'Neal was a goalie, Rodney Todd was a face off and defensive specialist and like, Hey, Chris, you need to go to Canada and play box across. Like, you're, you're too good to not be out there, but you just don't have enough experience yet playing that style. I was like, okay. So I made a few phone calls. I wound up getting linked up with the Brooklyn Redmond in Ontario. I go up there. I kind of not do that like in the summer. Like, it's like a major series lacrosse in the OLA, the Ontario Lacrosse Association. I wound up going up there. They're like, yeah, try it. They like, yeah, we're going to scrimmage, like go out there, show us what you can do. I think I had like three goals in the first like eight minutes of the game. The guy pulls me aside. He's like, listen, he's like, he's like, yeah, we want you to stick around. And I'm just. At the time, I think I was working at a lacrosse store in Weymouth, Massachusetts when I was with Boston. And why didn't I tell a guy, I'm like, listen, I'm leaving. I got an opportunity to go play box lacrosse and this is my dream. I want to try and go see what I can do up there. Long story short, I was piggybacking playing in the summers in box lacrosse and in the winters in the NLL. So I was playing so much lacrosse to your point earlier about the major league lacrosse. I knew I could, I knew I want to say easily, but I knew I could play in that league. But I also felt that the NLL or the MILL at the time, which would become the National Lacrosse League To me, that was, I wanted the crowd, I wanted the energy, I wanted the excitement of that style of play, the physicality, just everything that was electric about that. So that was my goal, was like, okay, play as much box as you can in the summer and then take all that back to your pro game and just try to do that over and over and over again. So I was pretty fortunate, I was lucky, I had a great coach, incredible teammates. So that's really how I was able to blossom. It was all pretty much grit and resiliency. Getting my head handed to me, but also dishing it out as well. So it worked. Well, that's great. That's awesome again. Yeah Yeah, beautiful. I love that story from from your dad, right? But the new jersey saints and the new jersey devils to to just find it a way to make it happen And obviously, Chris, there's a little bit of talent there as well, because once you did learn how to play that indoor game that style, you know, you went on to play on a number of indoor Team USA teams, and I think we all, you know, kind of know that the outdoor Team USA, but. But tell our listeners about the indoor Team USA and that experience and, and what that global competition was like. Oh, absolutely. So really, when I take it back to 2001, we played Canada in what was called the Heritage Cup. And we, I believe that was up in Mississauga, just outside of Toronto. And of course, going in, it was like, we're probably gonna, you know, have our hands full. Certainly. I mean, they're incredible at box across. But our team was tremendous. Tony Rush is our coach. Incredible. He's working with the archers. I just would ask too, Chris, was this the beginning? I'm not as familiar when the world championship stuff started in, or I guess you're saying this was like an initial tournament. So is this as it's just warming, but was it pre world lacrosse? Yeah, the World Lacrosse Championship started in 2003, but prior to that, the 2001 was just simply USA versus Canada. Hey, come up to put your best team together, slap on the USA jersey, we'll put the Canadian jersey on, we'll play you guys. And we actually won that game 21 to 16, which people just mesmerized because really, if you looked at their roster, you looked at our roster, both extremely talented, but the style of lacrosse, you would, you would have thought that they would have gotten the better hand of us. But it was an incredible game. I mean, you're talking about all stars across the board on both teams, but we, we were able to, to get that and, and, you know, just kind of building momentum from there. And then 2003 is kind of what really kicked off the world across into our championships. And again, I was fortunate enough to play on that. We came up short, we, you know, it was Canada at the time, Iroquois and now Haudenosaunee. Right. Right. Same thing in 2007, we came in third, but obviously, you know, if you look at those rosters, those rosters. Those guys have a lot more experience than we did. And then 2010, we played up at the Onondaga war Memorial. We took place was the bow hunter cup where we played the national team. We, we won that game 1110, which was incredible because we had never beaten them. So I can say that throughout my career, I was able to be Canada and boss across and the Eric cause of box across, but I have nothing but respect for those guys. I have a lot of friends. I spent a lot of times on the reservation. Like I love those guys. I mean, I love all my teammates and all my competitors because it made me really develop and grow as a player. Yeah, that's awesome. Hey Chris, who are, who are some of the names that we might recognize that were, you know, some of your memorable teammates throughout those Team USA years? Well, you got guys like Kevin Finneran Jake Berge Reggie Thorpe, Tom Ryan, Mark Millen. I know I'm going to leave a few out, but but Casey pal, Eric Miller in the cage again, American goalie going into the cage for boss across is quite, you know, quite an adjustment. Again, great coaching staff Randy Frazier was another player of mine on the team. So you know, I just look at back at all those guys and it's just like it was, it was a true honor to be on the same field with those guys quite frankly. I agree. That's great. And now, and now from that incredible to top it all off. Yeah. From Lindbrook, New York. History lesson in the game of lacrosse to Steve Grisalfi. This, this, this might feel a little different than where we just, you know, We're heading now. We're going to get down to brass tacks. Okay. So we're gonna, we're going to start with coach tearing in 2011. You were inducted into the university of Baltimore hall of fame. So this question carries some significance. What crab cake restaurant or restaurants would you nominate for the Baltimore crab cake hall of fame? Whoa. Oh, you have to have a favorite. Everybody does. I'd have to probably go with Obreki's. Oh, okay. Where is that? What town is that in? Ron, what would you say? Well, they have one in Annapolis, and they have one in Baltimore. All right. Ron, can you concur? What a way it is. I, I, I like, I like that a lot. There was a, there was a little place, there was a little place that, I don't know, Bob, you may know it, but Cantler's Yeah. Okay. I don't know what it's all right. That's kind of a toss up. That's kind of a toss up. Yeah. Well, Bob, I appreciate that. I appreciate that coming from you. Yeah. Everybody has their favorite, which, which leads me to coach Panos. This question may get you in trouble at home, but Which restaurant has better pizza, Borelli's over by Hofstra or Mama Mia's over in Ronkonkoma? Ooh, nice question. We used to have our pregame meals at Borelli's and they have incredible food. And I've been to Mama Mia's, but I'd have to throw in their Mama Lombardi's as well. Oh, in Holbrook. In Holbrook. So, I got my first slice there in junior high and they just, they're an incredible operation at this point. So, all three of them are great. But Mama Lombardi she has the title, huh? All right. Coach Tering, you coached your brother Doug to a Division One National Championship at the University of Virginia. Here's a question that I'm sure a lot of our listeners are thinking about. And mind you, this isn't some who was better in their prime hypothetical question. So right now, today, the real thing, who would win in a fist fight between you and your brother? And I mean, a no holds barred, bare knuckle fist fight. Me. Yes, well, he's a little taller, a little bigger reach, but I'm faster. I'm going to see that older brother energy, right? I'm still playing lacrosse. I'm playing the over 70. So I still have a little bit of Gumption to move around. So I see, see Doug all the time. It would be a tough fight. It really would. I'm gonna have to tell Doug I see him all the time. All Well, he is not here to defend himself, so maybe we'll have to give him a chance to come on. He might get a, he might get a good write in on me Alright coach Pantos you coached a high school team all the way out in Seattle that went from a record of two and 14 to being state title contenders in three years. So keep that school in mind when it's time for this trivia question. Which American revolutionary spy was famous for reportedly saying as his last words, I regret that I have just one life to lose for my country. Nathan Hale. There you go. So tell us about that team. Was that like coaching the Bad News Bears and then all of a sudden everything started coming together? What was that like? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it was more of it's kind of like an inner city team. So it was just kind of when I took over it was it wasn't, it wasn't, it Like the Bad News Bears, we didn't have a lot of equipment. We were trying to figure out, I was borrowing guys from football. Why don't you try this out? I was really recruiting athletes and then try to introduce them to the sport. So yeah, the first year was tough. And then I got more kids acclimated. Some kids bought in, some kids got their own sticks and we kind of fixed them up. And then once they started really getting the hang of it. It just started to kind of grow from there. So we were able to develop a JV team as well. And they, they're a really good team now. And so hopefully they've, they've come a long way. I know that that's awesome. That's very title run that that must've been a lot of fun. All right, guys, that's it. Well done on the trivia question. Nailed it. Beautiful. Awesome. Chris, you mentioned a coach Patillo that you had in high school. I think he was my defensive coordinator. Would he count? Would he always call everybody Mama Lucas? It's probably the same guy. Where were you? I was at Limbrook. Oh, yeah. Tony Patillo. I mean, I can't imagine it's a different guy. Well, I mean, there's probably a common name on Long Island, you know. I was going to say, Bob, there's no guys with that name, names end in O on Long Island. Shut up, shut up. He played at Hofstra too. Yes, yes. All world love the connection. You know what, Coach Tarring, you mentioned that Courtland State team. My high school lacrosse coach, Larry Glenz was on that team. Yeah, yes, yes. I remember, I remember the name. So it was my gym teacher, Paul Wareham. I mean, that was all that we had Paul. had a defense stick. It was very funny. Jack Emmer gave him a long stick and I put Bruce Mangels on him. All American defenseman. And what, what happened is they have two little attack men that would throw the ball up. And Paul would come running down in front of the crease and bat it into the real. And so our scouting report told Bruce just hit him in the, hit him in the, poke him in the gut as he comes down. And I think Paul only had one goal, but yeah, Paul Warren was on that team. As I said, Bill Tierney was on that team. Dave York was on that team. Oh, man, there was so many coaches that came on. I've talked to Jack about it and crazy, you know, and it was just that team for some reason, just produce so many good coaches. It really is. And of course, Jack has produced a great coaches and great players over his career. You record this stuff. It goes like an encyclopedia lacrosse. I've been around a long time. I had a chance to meet a lot of people from the fifties all the way through to today. So I've been very honored to be part of it. That's awesome. We'll see you up at Lake Placid then next year when you're playing in the over 70. Yeah. Awesome. Well, it's been an honor to have Yeah, and now that I have both you guys a wealth of knowledge and experience, that's great. Have a great night guys. I appreciate it guys. Thank you guys.

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until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.