S2 E43. Holiday Special: 2nd Half of Season Two Compilation, Part I.

In this special pre-Thanksgiving episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop', hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird present a compilation of highlights from the second half of their second season. The episode features an in-depth discussion between Ron Doglish (Big Dawg), Jay McMahon (Jaybird), and notable guests USILA COY, Mike Murphy and USILA ACOY, Chris Colbeck. The discussion covers personal lacrosse journeys, including early influences, and the pure passion for the game. The show delves into the practical aspects of improving player readiness and precisely what college lacrosse coaches are looking for in their recruits today! Additionally, the segment includes anecdotes from their coaching careers, advice for young recruits, and reflections on personal milestones. Lastly, the episode introduces new offerings from JML, emphasizing development programs and courses aimed at enhancing player skills and mindset.

00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop Podcast
01:00 Thanksgiving Week Special Announcement
01:38 Mike Murphy's Early Lacrosse Memories
03:12 The Influence of Andy Towers
07:01 Big Dawg's Lacrosse Highlights
09:12 Surprise Guest: Chris Colbeck
12:58 Key Characteristics in a Lacrosse Recruit
14:23 JML Offerings and Endorsements
14:59 Understanding Mindset in Lacrosse
15:20 Special End of Summer JML Offer
15:26 New Courses and Discounts
16:34 Exclusive Content and Free Resources
17:47 Coaching Insights and Experiences
20:49 Recruitment Advice for High School Players
23:43 The Importance of Hard Work and Commitment
31:37 Reflections on High School Lacrosse
35:20 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell

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Transcript

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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was a captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. And joining us in the studio, Steve Grassoffi, whose collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal, Again, start with brought to you by Jay McMahon, lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lax IQ training, helping the next generation cross players get to the next level.

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Hello everyone.

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It is Thanksgiving week and as such, our crew is on holiday. However, we're excited to release an entertaining compilation from the second half of our second season. We found so many magical moments in the three-part interview series with former us ILA coach of the year from Penn Mike Murphy and his BFF former us ILA assistant coach of the year from Virginia, Chris Colbeck that we decided to create a greatest hits compilation from that interview series alone. And we'll assure you will agree. It is mighty enjoyable to listen to. You will find this interview in progress.

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You know, it just occurred to me, Mike, why I so naturally heckle you at every opportunity. It's because you might be the only Duke guy that I actually kind of like, you know? And so I think it kind of comes naturally to me that I just, but, but I mean, I, I really, I, you know, you, you can't heckle the Brown state guys. You heckle everyone, Ron, but yeah, you don't really discriminate. I'm going to put that on my resume. Excellent. Ron, if you don't mind, can we get to our interview, please? Thank you. Thank you, Jay, for bossing me around. I appreciate it. So Murph, look, you know, what's kind of fun for us in all seriousness is we've, you know, we've had a lot of people that we've both known for a long time and not on the podcast. And it's fun for us to hear where they first started their passion for the game. Like where, where did they get introduced to the game? Who are some of the people that were really early influencers? Because that's not something we generally sit around after a game with a few beers asking someone, but I, I, it's always interesting to hear how people got introduced to the game. So what are your earliest memories? Yeah, no doubt. So I grew up in North Carolina and what's in Salem, North Carolina. And I was somewhat of a fan of of UNC and a couple different sports and things, at least followed them, and they had won the national championship in 1981 and 1982. So I'm like, I kind of took note of like, what's this lacrosse thing? Never seen it. Didn't ever see a stick or a ball or anything like that. And then moved to New Canaan, Connecticut in at the end of seventh grade. And one of the first people I met there was Andy Towers. What, what, where are we living here? What, what is going on? And a couple of other interesting personalities. And so sure enough, Andy became probably the first good friend I had there. And, and one of the closest friends I had there and I've had there in my life. And obviously his family, his father, brother. No, and the whole family were into lacrosse. So that spring I moved in like April became pretty quickly friends with him. And then his dad took us down to the national championship game. I think it was a Delaware. I'm not positive. And you know, and that from then on, I just kind of fell in love with it. I went to camp that summer, which was coach Benedict's camp. Who's another guy that was hugely influential in my. Development and passion for this game. And he ran a camp there that I went to and probably borrowed. I don't even know if I had a stick at that point. And coach Moran, Richie Moran was like the guest coach for the week. So yeah, it was, it was legit, you know, and there were some. New Canaan guys that have played at different places. They had Cornell and, and stuff that were back coaching. So it was, it was a great introduction and the town was kind of behind it. And then I think New Canaan won the championship that next year state championship. And so, and there was a, a group of us that were really into it and really competitive and, you know, with. You know, Andy probably leading it. We would play in his front yard. Joe Sletto, Kevin Eriks, Steve Luciano Matt Hipps, Graham Calloway, you know, a bunch of guys. I think they're pretty good. You know, between our grade and grade below us, there were like 18 guys that played, you know, division one or division three lacrosse. And so it just kind of fed on itself. And so, you know, my memory is really just being into it with those guys playing when we could, obviously, you know, doing what we did in high school and then beyond. But it was really more about, you know, the stuff we did Kind of on our own, you know, getting together, playing, pick up in yards or parking lots at the high school and things like that. You know, we were completely committed to it. And it was interesting because, you know, you look at it now, we were, we just loved it. We were committed. All we want to do is win. Want to earn a starting job on varsity and we want to win games. And nowadays, these kids are doing this with some sort of expectation of getting recruited or some sort of like exchange with it. It's kind of ruined, you know, some of the passion people have for the sport, but ours was as pure as it could be. And it was an affluent town and, you know, it wasn't, you know certain things about it, but, you know, you know, we didn't care. And it didn't matter how much money you had, didn't matter where you came from. Like, if you just showed up and worked hard and competed, you Like you were in. That's great. Awesome, Murph. Murph. I'm smiling a little bit because there's absolutely nothing pure in the game than being mentored by Andy Towers. I mean, that is, that is as pure as it gets. Image of purity. It really is though, you know, like. You know, like he cares about it, you know, he didn't, no, no doubt. He cares about this. We did a podcast with David Evans and Andy Towers and at the same time, at the same time, and those two, I gotta go find that. But to your point, right? The thing that you can never, ever, ever question about those two is compete level and love for the game. They just love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. And so it is infectious with Andy. I mean, you can't help but have fun playing the game when you're around the guy. Yeah. I mean, like if I had met some other guy, you know, in the first couple of weeks that it was into soccer or basketball or football or who knows where I would have ended up now. He's pretty compelling at some point. I'm sure we would have, would have linked up and stuff. But you know, literally he's the one that, that lit this fire that still, still burns in me today. THe Big Dawg's lacrosse highlights Still, every time I think of dog, two things pop in my head. One is him eating whipped butter on a road trip, which I wasn't even looking for, but it makes me smile. Great image. And the second one is He did think it was whipped cream. Was it whipped cream? Yeah, I thought it was ice cream. Right, right, right. Whoops. I thought it was ice cream. It was whipped butter. That was great. And then With chocolate sauce though, right? The chocolate sauce, they had, yep, they had disguised it with some chocolate sauce. Dog, here you go. He's the only one who got it. He thought he was the only one on the team who got to have this delicious dessert. He's talking to everybody. I'm like, he does not even realize everybody. I love that you weren't even there. And somehow that's the two things that you remember. That's great. And that's great. That's your number two. At Dom's Hall of Fame, when you guys roasted them. Oh, that was terrific. That was my, I've never, you know, for those who were listening, when Dom Starzy got into the, the U S lacrosse hall of fame, a bunch of his players from Brown and Virginia got together the night before, and we had a huge Dom roast and I dressed up as Dom and an old Brown lacrosse sweatshirt. I had a pillow under my stomach. Like I weighed 300 pounds. I went to a, I went to a Hollywood, like a costume shop, like, and, and I got the most giant mustache I could find. I had an old brown cap. I've never been, I've spoken in front of a lot of groups as you have. I've never been more nervous. Yeah. Right. That was a lot of fun. It was awesome. So I'm sure guys are sitting around, you know, making fun of things I say and how I say them and some of the traditions we have and different things like that. So it's, I mean, it goes by so fast. I mean, been here for 15 years now and having coached for 33 or four years or whatever it is it's like, wow, you try to, you know, as you get a certain age, you're trying to slow things down and be a little bit more. I guess aware of what you're saying and how you're saying it, you know, especially as you have kids, I think it changes the way you coach a little bit and a little bit more empathetic probably than coach Bennett was, or than I was, you know, 15 or 20 years ago. Right. Well, speaking about taking a walk down memory lane, we have a special mystery guest for you here, Mike, no joke. This is a first ever a mystery guest drum roll, please. Who is Jay? That can't be. Yes. The mysterious lacrosse legend. Is that Chris Colbeck? Holes! Chris Colbeck, there he is. The man, the myth, the legend. I don't know about you, Dr. How are you? Awesome to see you, man. It's been a while. It's been 30 some years or something. Oh, my gosh. Dog about the same. I guess when you're ahead of school, we don't call you dog anymore, though. Probably. No, no, they do. Big, big dog. You can't run away from it, Chris. You can't run away from it. Do they really run? Oh, yeah. Kids, parents, parents, like, Oh, hey, dog. What's up? Yeah. Yeah, that's hilarious. Well, I'm honored to be the surprise gifts for Murph's interview. So we've got, we've got a special intro. Let me run through it. Oh, my gosh, according to an article from Inside Lacrosse Magazine in 2013, top coaching womanaries. Wow, he's quoting from a magazine, Chris. This is unprecedented. As John Donowski, Dave Cottle, Bill Tierney, and Dom Stargia benefited greatly from his mere presence on the sidelines and sing his praises to this day. This mysterious man won national titles as an assistant coach with Princeton NUVA was named Jake. Yes, NUVA. I get credit for one at Princeton. We, we lost. So you got to take that one. All right. I'll cut that right off. He was named the Jay Gallagher Assistant Coach of the Year award winner in 2001 at the National Coaches Convention, was a two time All American, two time captain, and was Athlete of the Year at his alma mater, Loyola College as a senior. And I might add Ronbo. Was also a gold medalist and starter and I'm proud to say my teammate on the U 19 Team USA team back in 1988. Dog claims I bring it up every episode I don't and happens so naturally. Wait a minute. I forgot about this. I thought this was for Murph. It is Ron. This is every episode Jay finds a way to go back to when I was a member of the U 18 dodgeball team. Like anyone could concoct this. Good job. This is excuse me. I'm sorry. Hold your jealousy to yourself, please. I'm almost done. He's a graduate of Calvert Hall High School in Baltimore and recent recipient of the Outstanding Teacher Award at the Memphis University School, where he teaches American literature as well as the senior seminar he created named Literature and the Environment. He's also the MSU assistant lacrosse coach. Here he is the one, the only Chris Colbeck. That's quite an introduction. It's the amazing thing is the longer you don't coach, the more accolades you get just by being retired. People think you're much better than you actually are. So, but it's good to see everybody. I've seen Murph very recently, but I haven't seen you guys in probably 30 years or more. I know, it's crazy. It's unbelievable. I'm so glad you could make it. This is great. And Chris, as a guy who's, as you alluded to, we're both in education. I mean, you are looking the English teacher role to a tee right now. I mean, you have a part. I mean, unbelievable one. I am the guy with just one suit and I would just wear it every time. So it's so what did you guys talk about in the first part with Murph? Oh, his first person he met. At New Canaan ever was Andy Towers. Okay. And he hit him over the head with a lacrosse stick and he fell in love with it ever since. But I did want to ask one quick question here to Coach Mike. You have had some obviously great players over the years and, and this year in particular, that defenseman LaValle was amazing. And then, but you know, a lot of guys from the East Coast from, but guys from all over the country, you know, Sam Hanley, one of the best players, one of the best middies really ever to play was from your program. So tell us, our listeners, if you could, again, in a nutshell, what are the key characteristics that you're looking for in a lacrosse recruit? And that would help a lot of. People out there listening. Yeah. I mean, it really comes back to what we were talking about before in terms of the development side, like evaluation and development of the same categories. It's your athleticism. It's your skill level. And it's basically your, your kind of lacrosse IQ and they're weighted differently at different positions. But basically the better athlete you are, the more skilled you are. Not just with your stick, but with your dodging footwork and things that Chris was talking about. And then you got to be able to play with other guys, you know? And so those are the things we're looking for. And then the, the, I guess those are, you know, part of it, but the baseline thing is character truthfully, like, you know you know, I think part of the success we might've had here is due to the culture and I think when you recruit, you know, people. Good kids, the culture gets better automatically. So, you know just being good kids from, you know, good families and then some combination of athleticism skill and, and IQ. Beautiful. Nice.

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How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that.

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literally the road has no guardrails, has no guardrails,

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We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in progress. What was it like coaching for Dom, a young, fairly young Dom Starger? He was pretty fired up looking to get his first championship. Murph coached with Dom probably longer than, or about the same time he was just very different. You know, I had come from coaching with Coach Cottle, Coach Tierney, and Coach Danowski, and Dom was his own guy, like a completely, you know, I was always wondering, I mean, this is, I mean this in a loving way, if he was messing with me when he would be very, very quiet, like we would just be sitting in the office. Yeah. And I would be waiting for coach to say it and he just wouldn't say anything. And I was wondering if he was actually just messing with me to see if I would break or if coach was just that quiet and we would drive to visit recruits and he wouldn't say anything. I was like, well, you know, is he just, what is this guy doing? Eckhart Tolle's Zen silence. Yeah, it was, you know, I learned he was, I think he was just zoning out basically what's going on there, but he was great, you know, he was coached. It taught me so much and I've always said he taught me one of the reasons why I had to stop coaching because I could never be as sort of stoic and graceful as coach. I would lose my mind and I just always admired his, no matter what happened, he was going to be a very good person and treat people very well. And that's one of my biggest, besides being a great coach and a great recruiter and a great coach. Great sort of strategist and, and great motivator and all those things and a great leader of young men. I just always admired coaches. Very stoic, very steady very generous spirit. And so that's great. And he had a great quote about you in that article that I did jot down. This is from Dom. This is about you that Chris Colbeck. He taught me to be more resolute. Hall of Fame coach Dom Starza says. If you're trying to decide if something is right or wrong and you imagine Chris Colbeck looking over your shoulder, he will be moved to make the right decision. That's great. It sounds like you were keeping him on his toes, too. You may not have even realized it. I think Murph and I were both kind of hard guys back then. Coach could play, Coach Starzi could play kind of the, not dad role, but sort of the, and Murph and I were a little tougher on the guys than maybe Coach was. He didn't have to be, I think. Yeah, completely. And I think he balanced us out a little bit, maybe intentionally. And I think about the other part too. Like, I do think he was stoic and quiet on purpose. And he said something to me once, like, once you say something, you can't take it back. So I think he's very measured in his words intelligent way. So it was, it was a great balance. I mean, I think, you know, Chris made me a better coach. I think he made Dom a better coach and I think Dom made us better coaches as well. So. And Murph made me a better coach too. I mean, it was just, it was a good group. Billy Romani on that staff. It was, it was a good crew all the way around. Mike, could we, could we pursue that a little bit more? Cause you know. The other thing we try to do, you know, we got listeners who are themselves high school players who want to get recruited and the parents of those kids and, you know, coach after coach after coach will come on this podcast and say different versions of what you have said. And so how do you talk to the kids that you're recruiting? And, you know, this starts so early, but there's so much. Sort of pressure and just this is what I'm supposed to do and what my club coach is telling me to do that. I got to plan all these events. We've got coaches that would say they watch kids get worse over the summer because they're playing so many games. They're just not working on their skills. And so how do you talk to young kids, you know, that are coming up early in high school about how they should approach. The next few years of their high school career and this balance because there is a reality, right? Especially if you're a kid from Memphis, you've got to find those moments where you're going to get exposure. So how do you, how do you tell kids to craft that pathway towards getting a look? Yeah, great question. And every kid is different. Like I have two kids in high school, a daughter and a son are both both lacrosse players, and there are different stages in this journey. But they both understand having older brothers, you know that you have to put the work in and you have to be specific in what you're trying to improve upon, whether it's your physical ability or your, your technical skill or even what we call tactical, you know, your game sense if you're just a good shooter and really fast but you don't know how to play with other guys. Yeah. You still need to improve that, that part of it as well. And so a couple of examples and we say play club lacrosse, that's a very broad bucket and obviously those things are for profit entities. And so if you're the one, the paying customer, I think you're entitled to tell them what you're ready to do and not do in some respects. But a lot of those clubs do a really good job of developing kids in the ways we're talking about. Some don't do it at all. Like if you're playing for a national team, you're obviously not practicing. Okay. And that's not doing you a lot of good from a development standpoint, but there are clubs out there that do a really good job of developing kids physically and developing their skills and the other clubs that, that really don't, don't do it at all. And, and so I think you just need to be specific and if a kid's a sophomore, junior in high school, he's got probably more lacrosse behind him than he does in front of him. If you think about it. And so we have a young man in the class of 25 who's going to take a gap year. And so he's like, well, what do we want to do? And so we thought about things. He's not going to do a PG or just going to work. So we talked about the work side of things and what he wants to accomplish there. And then we talked about the lacrosse side of things. And it really came down to, you know, building his left hand up and getting faster. Like those, that's those two things, and it didn't sound like a lot, but like, if he puts a couple hours a week into those two things, he's going to be a lot better lacrosse player when he gets to college than he was in high school. Right. And Chris, how about you're clearly showing those kids and by the way, you're showing up at 6 a. m. So you're demonstrating to them and modeling for them the kind of commitment it takes to get better. But what about for those kids? You know, there are truly, I mean, it's so, this is how much the game has changed since we were young, right? There are great players everywhere. So if I'm that kid who's in geography like Memphis that isn't the traditional lacrosse hotbed. How are you telling those kids who you can see have that ability? Where are you? Where are you? You know, where are you suggesting they go to get that exposure? How are you advising them? It's it's a tough one because what happens with the club, some programs is that there's this blind sort of sense that, well, if I play on this club, it's going to happen for me. You know, if I, if I spend the money and go play in whatever tournaments, the popular tournaments are, I don't Murph would know better than I do, but then I'm definitely going to get recruited. And so they think there's going to be some sort of immediate return on that investment. And I, without being pessimistic, I really try to tell them. This is really hard. This is, there are a lot of good players and there are a lot of guys bigger, stronger, and faster than you that have already been working on their game for 12 years, you know? And so it's, but if you really want this, and I think Murph hit on a huge point, you have to love it. You have to really love it and really want to do it at any level that you can, not just set your sights on the top. You know, not just set your sights on Penn and the other top programs, but if you really love it, then this is what you're going to do. And I, I can help you work on this, but it's a tough one because we see so many guys and it's not just kids from Memphis, it's kids from Baltimore that invest all of this time and energy and money playing on tournaments. And the numbers just don't bear out the possibility of it going to happen for them at the schools that they aspire to attend. So it's just, it's trying to be realistic, and also letting them know how much work it takes. And our challenge here, Is that we don't have tons of guys in this neck of the woods where they have seen that behavior modeled, you know, I have a handful of guys that come, but if you're not up at six in the morning and seeing what a handful of guys are doing in order to try to at least give themselves a chance to maybe, you know, You know, it's not even to be an All American, it's just to keep their position on the field. It's not like being in another area where everybody is grinding, and they realize that that's what's required, and I think they have a better sense that, hey, that guy was incredible and he worked his butt off, I mean, it'sI always think about something murderous. It was kind of in jest, but it was true, it was, you know, the parents expectations of where their son's going to end up. And I don't want to misquote you here, Murph, but you said something to the effect of it's the parents fault if it doesn't work out because either you didn't give them the genetics or you didn't give them the work ethic. You haven't showed them how to work hard enough to do that. And that's the case for a lot of kids. And so I want you to work hard. I want you to try to follow your dream. If this is something you really want, I'm there to try to help you. But please keep in mind that there are no guarantees for this thing. It's a really hard and it's increasingly hard thing to do every year Hey, Chris, can I go back? Here's, I'm going to try and lift you up now. Okay. So, you know, the, the thing that while we haven't seen each other for a long time, like knowing people who know you, like your life journey is so interesting. Right. You, you've engaged in so many different things, you know, from farming and your passion to the environment and teaching and coaching and going back to school as Jay said, but like, I saw you lean in when you were talking about those 6am workouts and angles and cones. And like, you still love the game, you know? So what is it about it that you love about the game? Now, it is, well, I think it always was. The same, even when Murph and I were together in Virginia, I love the process of, you know, Murph was saying you have to love the process and I, I really do love the process as a teacher or an educator or a coach, when you see somebody put in the effort, you work on the deep angle, change direction on the crease tangent, you know, the zigzag move to the, and you see them do it over and over and over again. And then they do it in a game without even thinking about it. And they're shocked that this just happened. And it's whether it turns out to be something that changes their life, where they end up. Playing college lacrosse somewhere where they just realize the connection between hard work and results. That's what I really love, you know, I really love when a kid just sort of says, Oh, like, I've been grinding at this thing for months, if not years, and I actually get results and he may never play college lacrosse, but he's realizing somewhere along the way that I put this time in and I had a positive outcome and, you know, And that's what I really love, I've always loved that about, particularly I've always loved individual work because I, I would tell you that's, that's more life changing than the destination. Right. Well, it's what makes you a great teacher too, Chris. I'm sure you're no different in your classroom, right, is that kid who is just struggling and struggling, but you see him working and you see, I mean, that for, for, for us who work in schools with young people, when you see those, that light bulb moment, because you know, they've put in the work. That's, but that's the thing, you know, like Mike just Give the thumbs up too as well. It's like that is life changing. And just like Chris just said it, whether or not they play in college lacrosse really doesn't matter, but they put in that effort for four to six weeks and they literally can see something in their game, probably three, four or five things are going to transform. And when you really build that muscle memory, like Chris just said, it happens in a game. Without even thinking about it. That's the great thing. And then they can say to themselves like in life, right? You know, I approach this with discipline. I approach this with intent. I approach this with some enthusiasm and energy And if I do that not just for a day or two not just for a week or two I do that consistently and it's not forever. It's literally within six weeks. Let's say you're gonna see some big changes So I think it has got to be you know for you guys in education just showing kids that it's such a great tool And that's what I love about it and what I love about the skills training. It's like you put in the time. Again, we're not talking about a couple days. We're not talking about a couple weeks. We're talking about making a commitment. And then you see that kid light up because just like Chris says, they start doing it in games. So it, it is, it's really great. And truthfully, it's the same thing, at least for our level off the field. You watch a kid and we have like a joke of the day that kids will have to stand up and that we rotate and their ability to project and articulate their thoughts, whether it's a joke or presenting part of the sky report in front of the team, their evolution from their freshman year to their senior year. Is remarkable. And, and that part of it is just as gratifying as their approaches on defense or what they're doing, you know, with their dodges and face off technique and everything else that, that transformation is so important. And for these kids to understand that they can do that and really anything. Right. And lacrosse come to more easily than, you know, calculus, or if they're going to become an accountant or whatever it is they're going to do. But like, that's why. Sports, you know, are so important to our society because it's, it just allows them to learn about themselves and realize that they can achieve or improve in anything they want. That's great. And let's also gloss over this but I do need to bring up the fact that we were a very good high school lacrosse team, especially my senior year. At one point in time, apparently USA Today had us as the number one ranked team. But then we took a bus to Garden City, New York, and clearly were demonstrate was demonstrated that we were not the best team in the country. Garden City beat us nine to five. Good friend, Keith Melchione, brought that up on a regular basis throughout college. We, you know, ended up doing what we did the rest of the year, but I think at that point in time, Garden City was, was Why would you bring that up? I love it. I love it. Because it's the truth, Ron. You live in shadow. Oh my God, Murph. Shine a light on your life, Ron, and see the truth. But like, you know, I talked to Craig backers two days ago, like, you know, if I see Greg leader or Melks or any of the guys from that team that I became friends with, like, it's still part of the part of our, our friend group, you know, it's like, Oh, Nancy, it's gotten bigger. But like, once we're friends, we're pretty much friends, you know and that's the value of, and I feel lucky. Like I have imposter syndrome, whatever it's called. I can't believe I get to do this all day, every day for a living. Like lacrosse. Well, you gotta, you gotta have the talent. Right. I mean, we say you don't want to push the winds too long, but you do need to be good at what you're doing, which obviously you are the winning ex coach, bear a pen. And then I want to leave you with this. Okay, Chris, just to this might give you a little PTSD Oh, Ronnie, Ronnie, I mean, when you're brown boys come down and play us, always got a little something for us, Ronnie, are you going to throw a little something at us? You always, you know, always are jazzing it up, Ronnie. We're always looking for it. Early. You'll have a little wrinkle for us. That is literally what you thought of when I'm an assistant at Brown before, I mean, like, let's I'm like, are you, are you playing a caricature of yourself? But I didn't remember when Dom used to always say. The more coach Cottle would tell, they would talk before the game and coach Cottle would say, I got you figured out this year, Dom, because we just had a terrible record against Brown. I don't know if we beat Brown in my time at Loyola and Dom would always say, the more coach Cottle spoke to him saying, I got you this year. I got you figured out a little something. And Dom would get increasingly confident that this one's in the bag. The more Yeah, we, I was like, I don't have any strategy. I don't know what you're talking about, but let's be honest. You had two midfielders of the year, you and Andy, I mean, and low. And I mean, it was just, it was player of the year. Yeah, it was a long list of great players. So it was, you know, No shame in losing to the ruins, but we just felt this awful shame that this shouldn't happen. You're like, I mean, they've got like five first team All Americans on that team. Like they're pretty good. Well, at 90, we did beat you guys, but you guys went to the finals. You guys won when it counted. That was impressive. Yeah, good stuff. Those were great games back in the day, but Chris, you probably don't want to talk about this old glory day stuff anymore. You'd like to get back to preparing your literature tomorrow's lessons, right? I'm going to start reading some Faulkner once you guys mentioned Faulkner. I'm going to get back into it. The sound and the fury. Oh, my gosh. All right, boys, listening to your heart. I love it. Thanks so much. And as always Murph but thank you guys very much for cool. Thanks guys. Awesome. Thanks guys.

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