S2 E42. Breschi Helps a Builder Find his Inner Bear: Brown's New Head Coach Jon Torpey, Part III.

In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop,' hosts Big Dog (Ron Doglish) and Jaybird (Jay McMahon) continue their interview series with esteemed guests John Torpey, Brown Men's Lacrosse Head Coach, and surprise special guest, UNC Head Coach Joe Breschi. The discussion covers their current teams, coaching strategies, and the evolving landscape of college lacrosse. Topics include Brown's fall performance, alumni support, and the impacts of NIL and scholarship changes in college athletics. Additionally, there’s a blend of lacrosse insights and humorous banter, particularly regarding the coaches' past experiences and their efforts to elevate the future of college lacrosse.
00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop Podcast
00:23 Meet the Hosts and Special Guests
01:02 Interview with John Torpey and Joe Breschi
01:55 Brown Lacrosse Team Insights
04:30 Support from Alumni and Community
06:34 UNC Lacrosse Team Update
13:03 JML Lacrosse Training Programs
16:22 Future of College Lacrosse and NIL Impact
17:56 Uncertainty in College Athletics
19:39 The Future of College Athletics
20:08 Challenges Faced by Tuition-Driven Universities
20:39 Insights from High Point University
21:12 The Stability of Ivy League Schools
21:23 The Changing Landscape of College Sports
21:59 Concluding Remarks and Reflections
22:36 Q&A with Coaches
23:00 Humorous Anecdotes and Stories
26:11 The Doglish Effect and Alumni Influence
30:36 Final Thoughts and Farewells

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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was a captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. And joining us in the studio, Steve Grassoffi, whose collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal, Again, start with brought to you by Jay McMahon, lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lax IQ training, helping the next generation cross players get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We were ecstatic to bring you our third and final installment of the interview series. Uh, featuring new brown men's lacrosse head coach, John Torpey along with special guest. UNC head coach Joe brushy special because he was a special surprise. Coach brushy was John Torpys head coach at the Ohio state university. Where Torpey was a three time captain of the Buckeyes and help lead them to their first ever NCAA playoff bid. If you've not heard the first two episodes, we highly recommend you go back and do so. As the shock value coming from coach Torpey when Joe brushy came on, the interview was simply priceless. Also, if you like what you're hearing, please give us a thumbs up, subscribe and leave a review. It really helps our show. You will find this interview picking up right where we left off at our last episode. Enjoy.

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So you just completed your first fall, for the most part, up there at Brown, up at Providence. And we had a great alumni weekend a couple weeks ago. Great turnout. So tell us a little bit about some of the current players that you have and what your outlook is going to be like in the spring of 2025. Yeah, I think for us there's a lot of strength on the defensive end of the field from the short sticks to poles to guys that play close. I've been really impressed with the battle that's going on in the in the cage, you know, with really five guys vying for one spot that was locked up for the last couple of years with with an all american caliber player. And then offensively, there's a lot of talent. I think that's the side of the ball that we're really trying to get to be a little bit more I'd say adaptable to kind of the current situation that we're in and be able to take some feedback during time outs and, you know, attack our opponents with different things that we're trying to do. And, and you know, I'm blessed to have a great staff. I mean, James was with me last year, a guy that I recruited, James shaky, who came from Penn State, who, you know, has been such a terrific job last year with our defense and and Jack Cook, who played for me, who's one of the best face off guys in terms of coaching and middle third of the field that I've ever seen. Alec Toko is a guy who, you know, is a holdover from the last staff who is just an administrative pit bull and has done such a great job of coaching. Kind of teaching us the ways of brown, you know, from the inside out. And then I've got Logan was now on staff who, you know, everyone knows was a tour time winner and a national champion at Brown, but there's a guy who came to high point after Asher Nolting and graduated that, you know, played in a very similar offense that we did at high point with Bernhardt the year before Maryland won it all. And we asked him to come in and work with Kenny brochard our assistant at, at, at At a high point at the time. And just how do we connect six guys at the rate that you guys didn't put pressure on people from different spots. And so it's been a fun fall of just, you know, getting to know the place, getting to know the guys, having an opportunity to really see, you know, what this team can do and, and what the limitations are and, and kind of how far we can go. And they've been unbelievably authentic and cohesive and receptive to everything that we've thrown at them this far. I mean, and I, I will say this, like. I love the guys on the team. I mean, they've just been everything and anything that I'd want in a group of guys. And I say this in the nicest way possible. It feels a lot like our group at high point, just hardworking, good people, no issues off the field. And just They just want it. You know, they're they're hungry. That's great to hear. That's awesome. Hey, john. One other thing, you know, we obviously have a fair amount of brown lacrosse alums who listen and would love to have you talk a little bit about you know, I think there's a lot of alums who are hungry to help. We also know there's ways that alums can. Maybe offer not to help but but we wanted to give you a chance to like talk to the alums and say how, hey, what do you need? How can we best help you as you're trying to get the program back to the level it's been in the past? Yeah, that's a great question. That wasn't on the script I don't think. But I think just just supporting us, you know, that helps I can give you my Venmo account, but just support. I mean, you know, it's, it's it's always nice to have support before you hit any adversity with, with with wins and losses, but, you know, it's. you know, we are doing everything we can to put the best version of ourselves on the field this year. And you know, we're gonna put a product out there that hopefully makes everybody proud in terms of how hard we play and, and you know, how different we could be from game to game in terms of the way we get these guys prepared. But yeah, just to support, you know, I've been blown away with it so far. Coach talked about it before. Coach brush. The passion of these guys is apparent. You know, I think the successes they've had, you know, that bleeding into the guys that we currently have. And we talk about that a lot with the guys. Remember, listen to the podcast with Darren Lowe a couple weeks ago and, you know, him saying something along the lines of like when you're winning in Providence, like it means something, you know, the people come out, the support you get it being a smaller city that doesn't have, you know, a whole lot in terms of professional sports, maybe some minor league, but we want to bring that same kind of passion, energy, support back to this place. And even the alums from the perspective of like networking, job opportunities, mentoring, internships have been just terrific in terms of helping our guys. And that means a lot to our guys. So, you know, again, something that Andy did for the guys at Dartmouth that I want to have here is just, you know, I want all of our guys to be able to know kind of what they're doing, the guys that want it by you know, december, their senior year so that they can just be lacrosse players and students in the, in the spring. Nice. And joe, how about you down at UNC? You know, last year you had an inexperienced team. You had a lot of freshmen and sophomores playing a lot of time and they saw a lot of great progress during the year. And now all these guys are a year. Older, you're better. What are things looking like for you guys? You know, just like anything else it's a journey trying to keep guys healthy and learning in the fall through scrimmages and practices and so forth and kind of creating an identity of sure you have a an idea of who you want to be, but you also have to make those adjustments to who you eventually are going to be. which, which is a process. So love the way we've approached things much like Coach Torpy. I love this team. We're down 13 guys from a year ago. And I think that's a good thing for us to have a smaller roster. on our hands and next year it'll be down to 48. So I think that'll be a positive as well, but I'm excited. You know, I, I think coach Torpy, you know, talked about it and, and just the effort, the energy, the passion that these guys have for playing the game of lacrosse. And we're very similar. I mean, we're, we're in the same boat. We had a couple of scrimmages. We actually scrimmaged the Ohio state university and Yale. Yeah. So coach torps, if you need anything on Yale, I got him. Those, those two with back when are pretty damn good. But you may want to box into them right off. Well, we beat him 1815. So that was a positive. So But at the end of the day, I do think, you know, every it's so you try to stay healthy. You try to put your guys in a position for success. I mean, we opened the season with Michigan February 8th at home. So we get right into it. We have a terrific schedule. Coach dorpsel not like this, but I don't know how many years I came to you, but I am going to High Point my heart But you didn't invite me up to Brown or would've come up. Well, I, I was gonna say, I, I thought I heard, I thought I heard earlier. I just want to go on the record. I thought I heard earlier, coach Topi that Joe agreed to come up to Brown next year. That's what I thought I heard. It was a five year contract. I'm coming up five straight years. Let's go baby No, but Jay, I think, you know, every, every year is a journey. We have great leaders. You know, we have a couple of transfers in for their fifth year. GM Ficarro is starting two time captain at Princeton. So he's slipping into the cage most likely for us. And then O'Berry, a defense committee from Harvard and, you know Spencer Wertheim, a midfielder from Cornell. So we have a, we have some Ivy flavor as part of the team. Their leadership, they were all captains. So it's kind of cool to see them come in and add to that leadership that we already have. It'll be a fun year and, and certainly looking forward to it. Obviously our conferences is pretty tough, but we do play Penn and Princeton back at home. Thanks to, thanks to the four letter word five miles down the road who screwed up his scheduling and allowed us to host Penn and Princeton again. Imagine that. There you go. So, all good. Coach Thorpe, he knows how. That was a big win over the four letter word last year. That was very impressive. And I don't think Duffy played, I think Duffy was hurt. That was sick. Yeah, we needed that. So, you know, Duffy and Dom being back and healthy and should be. We should be. Kept him out of the fall for the most part. Duffy didn't play in either scrimmage, but you know, it'll be good. It'll be exciting. He'll be, he'll be back in the spring. He'll be healthy. Yeah. Cause I mean, he was being covered by number one defender on every team you guys played. And yet he was like within a point of having the most points of anyone who was a freshman. So yeah, he's a stud. So. Good stuff. Joe we also like how you're keeping the brown flavor down there. Not only Rob Gutile, that's a nice pickup. I mean, he's huge, basically coming out of obscurity. Nobody's seen the guy for 20 years and you pick them up. And then of course, another Brown favorite, John Thompson down there, who's another tremendous guy and tremendous coach. Yeah. We I'm fortunate. You know, I, I brought Rob Guttal in and he's a scratch golfer now, so I feel really good about that. Actually him and I are playing against two other scratch golfers on our team. We've been challenged. So I am not a scratch golfer. I'm like six. Oh, here we go. Here we go, Ronnie, Joe, the sandbagger, Joe's the guy who the whole round until there's like a big shot. Yeah. Coach Tarpey until it's like a big shot on 17. You're all tied and you're just about to take it away and he goes Boy, Ronnie, this is a big one. This is a big one. You know, he's just, he just says, Oh, thinking about it. And who won that one? Ron, who won that? Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe. Coach coach Thompson is, is, you know, I love him. He is fantastic, great offensive coordinator to obviously a former head coach up at Amherst and then out at Air Force as an assistant for a while. So I was fortunate enough to pull him back from Colorado, back out here. And he's been a huge part of the offense and development of our players and offensively in particular, and he's just a terrific guy and the guys love playing for him. So I'm excited about that. And of course, Rob Gutow. Director of player personnel, Rob Gutow. And it'd be more personable. He's awesome. He, he gets an opportunity. We have a training table for athletes for lunch every day. And first one up there at 10 30, when it opens is Rob Gutow. He gets back to the office at. One 30 and, and he is having lunch with the guys. It's nine holes in, maybe he gets nine holes even far, and he's good to go. So, no, I'm fortunate. I, I, I tell you what, man, the, the Brown alums and Coach Tope, you're, I'm sure you already feel it, but it's just they're so. Excited to have you and be a part of their program, and help you with the success that you're gonna have. And I'll tell the Brown alums this man, nobody works harder than Coach tope. That's a fact. And he's gonna put his heart and soul into everything. And I know he's excited to get rolling and, and bring great success to the Brown program. Learn from the Best Coach. Awesome. Learn from the best man. We transitioned to, uh, JML and let's do that.

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Big discounts on the JML online courses and merchandise from our new online store go ahead and check out the links in today's show notes. We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview Hey, I got Jay, Jay, I got one final question before we bring in our roving reporter on a, on a serious note, I'm just interested to get both your perspectives on where the hell are our sport and college sports is going and, and, and how you think men's lacrosse fits into this landscape. There's been so much seemingly constant change. I mean, first it was the portal and now NIL, which seems to be having an increasing impact. And then. The recent legislation around the, the no limits on scholarships. Obviously coach, it's going to be a little different for you down at North Carolina than maybe you coach Torpy at Brown, but still these, these things are going to impact everybody at the division one level. So I'm just, I'm just wondering, there's no two guys who are closer to all this than you two. So what's your sense of the next one to three to five years and how all this plays out? Joe, you want to start it? Guys, I'll just apologize. You know, Ron, Mr. Moderation here, he might be going overboard, but I guess this is his last question. Off script. Thank you, Jay. Yeah, I'll start. You're not going to apologize. Joe is interested in the question. All right, zip yourself. Go ahead, Joe. No, I think, you know what, there's nothing bigger than a, you know, there's no bigger pain in the ass. That's a three time all american offensive player. I think those three defenders can agree that there's nothing that's a bigger pain in the ass than a three time all american offensive player. Jesus Christ. Joe, I believe the floor was yours before Jay rudely interrupted us. Well, I, I I appreciate that Ronnie. I do think you know, obviously college athletics is, is you And I can only kind of tell you from my perspective down here, there is a lot, a lot of uncertainty, I think, in college athletics in general, and it's constantly changing, just like the NCA rules constantly change from week to week you know, with NIL and what you can and can't do, et cetera. You know, I don't know if I mentioned this to Coach Torpey when we were having the discussion about the Brown opportunity, and I was like, the Ivy Leagues may be the way to go because we all could be non scholarship long term. You don't know. Now they're putting no limits on scholarship, but that's going to be a university. To university decision. So I think ultimately it's going to come down to the athletic director, the board of trustees, the president, what are we doing and how are we going to do it? And the saddest part of this whole thing is we've all been about opportunity, right? And now we're cutting. Now we have to make cuts for roster caps and at North Carolina, we have to get down 125 athletes by next year. And that's the saddest part. You know, you think about opportunity for women, you think about opportunity for men. To be a part of and how much growth goes on and being a part of an athletic program and to see that just kind of being pulled away from kids, it's a shame in my eyes. I am all for the athletes getting opportunities and getting payment and shared revenue. How that works. I don't know what's right. But I will say I'm, I'm, I'm happy for them. But I'm I'm really worried about the future of college athletics ultimately, and I've heard this bantered around a bunch is, you know, do we collect a bargain? Do all the student athletes now become professionals and have contracts? And you know, it's kind of a sad state of affairs. But like I like to say, at most times, it's just keep your head down and keep moving forward because you don't know what tomorrow brings. Yeah, I think from, from my perspective, coach touched on it, but, you know, I saw it at a place at high point. That's, you know, really like a tuition driven university and, you know, they're reliant on the amount of kids that come there per year to be able to, you know, operate. And there's a lot of schools like that. And I think about, you know, the roster size that we had last year, you know, being cut to 48. That's a lot of tuition dollars that go back into that university. I think there's a lot of schools out there like that. And I was watching last year. It was like the first year as a head coach at high point where I felt like there were just a lot of different things happening that I felt like were You know, things that were maybe went against, like what I thought, and it wasn't the university, it was just in general with college athletics. And I did, I sat there when I talked to my wife and I probably talked to you about this too, coach. It's like, what's the one place that's kind of always been a mainstay. In our sport where, you know, Andy says all the time, the finish line is to get a great degree in a phenomenal opportunity post graduation that you might not have otherwise. And I said the Ivy League, you know, it's just the place that is probably going to look the same, you know, 20 years from now as it does today. And just with other universities, you just never know, there is just a lot up in the air. I mean, you hear things from, you know, the perspective of, you know, how much money college football players and college basketball players are making, even college lacrosse players, you know, to like things like private equity companies are going to take over athletic departments. I mean, I mean, these are things that just two years ago, a year ago, you know, five years ago you know, we were all playing like you wouldn't even, you wouldn't even fathom those things being a part of the conversation. So yeah, it's it's, it's nice to be in a place where at least it feels like it's going to be, you know, very similar down the line and, and, and what it's been in the past. Well, thank you for that, Jay. I'm glad we got in that tremendous insight from these two coaches. It was very nice. Ron are we going to go to our roving reporter, Steve Grassoffi, who finishes our podcast up with some very different kind of as long as these two coaches will still consider us friends. All the time we've kept themselves. All right. Well, I want to thank Ron for bringing up having to cut roster spots right before I come on because that is always comedy gold. Ron. Helps a lot. Alright, so I have some questions for the coaches. I have to each so we'll get this through this pretty quick. I know you guys have spent a lot of time. Coach Bresch, good to see you. It's been ages. This first one goes to you. As was previously mentioned, you and Ron coached together at Brown and were roommates. I know that you guys had to share a bathroom. Is that why you left Brown to coach elsewhere? Well, that's the rumor at least. That's a, that's a coach Grisalfi. First, first and foremost, it's great to see you. We are both white as can be. I don't know what happened. That is a good thing. That's all the time I spent, but dog likes to say it was coach Torpey when he played for me, but I think it was dog because I used to go in the bathroom and see his big ass underwear hanging out on the of the. He's hanging up his drawers. Come on, Ron. Well, it was a little bit soiled too. So that's what, that's what kind of sent me down to or out to Columbus for other options, hundreds of miles away. So you couldn't smell or see that. Oh, Joe, that's wrong. We always suspected as much, but I'm glad I'm hanging up his drawers. Wow. This next one's for Coach Torpy. This past October, many Brown alumni attended Alumni Weekend where you were able to meet many of the Brown lacrosse alumni. My question is this, after getting to meet them, are you still able to use academic rigor as part of your pitch to prospective players? With a straight face, that is. Maybe lead with, they're the happiest students in the Ivy League, you know, that might be open curriculum. I told the guys the other day at practice, I go, I wish I would have went to brown. The past fail the open curriculum in this. Oh yeah. It must have been pretty encouraging to get to know that somehow all of us got past admissions, right? And got through for the most part. That's something to look forward to. There's always hope. This next one's for coach brash. Are you aware that Ron Doggish was put on mock trial up at Lake Placid this year? Yes. For allegedly rooting harder for North Carolina at this year's UNC Virginia game, when Lars was the one who provided him the tickets. Oh, oh. A couple years back. But yeah, that happened. That was, that was a final Four game, actually. Oh, really? All right. Well, he was finally put to trial this show. I have I, yeah, A friend of ours, Tom Dwyer's daughter said 21. Yes. What's that? 21 exactly. Dog jumping out of his seat and his shorts every time Carolina scores a Virginia scores. And he is like, oh. Oh my God. Yes. Well, he may have been provided the tickets, but Ron stayed in my room that night. Oh, oh. And the reason I know that he stayed in my room is yes, the soil, the tell side. Oh my gosh. spinning some incredible. It's not easy hanging with Ron believable. Oh, thank goodness. I love the space. I love my weekend. It keeps getting wider. His hands are off the screen. We're all just great. The last time we shared a hotel room. Thanks for the brown alumni weekend. We shared the hotel room dog slept on the floor in his suit. Thank goodness. So no one saw those shorts, which was nice. Thank you, Steve, for these questions. Appreciate it. Yeah, finally, this one's for Coach Torpy. Are you aware of the statistical anomaly arising from the alumni cheering section at the Brown home field? The goals against For the goals against percentage for opposing teams is significantly higher when their goalie is within earshot of the alumni cheering loudly from the pickup trucks in the parking lot on the north side of the field. This is being referred to as the doglish effect. Ron, what's the actual number? I know you know this. Oh, I, I don't know this, but I, I have always said it's the Evans effect. Yeah. Well, it will be the Evans effect. Now I'll tell you the tailgate situation just amped up quite significantly with a big recruit that coach Torpy landed this summer, a little switcheroo Joe, a little switcheroo from UBI too. I don't think Brown's finished flipping baby. Keep flipping Torps. Nice. I, I always said coach Tarpy, I have made more of a difference for Brown lacrosse in the parking lot that I did on the field given my chairing ability, Steve, look at Steve. Like I got a point there, but most of the team, right? Yeah. Yeah. Two times, two times. I'll take a seat. And, you know, I, I do have a certain volume to me. I do have a certain creativity in my conversations with the opposing players. And I, I was convinced I was making a difference. And then last time Brown hosted the Ivy tournament, the ESPN crew showed statistical evidence. We were two goals. We were two goals better at this end of the field, at the parking lot, end of the field. Joe, I mean, talk about NIL, he's got to be paying me NIL, I'm a difference maker. I got to rent dog to bring them down. I will say, however, when I was scouting the Brown Maryland game in 2016 at the final four, I would stop and I would go, is that Ronnie screaming at the, And it was, it was Ronbo. You can hear it. Ronbo's letting it fly. He doesn't go back. So I've had, so I've had two situations where Lars was furious at me. One, I don't know if you recall, was when we came down for your 50th birthday party. And we were in the, You know, that, that end zone suite area is with Joe and his family and they're playing Virginia that weekend and I'm heckling Lars in the Virginia football stadium. It's pouring rain. There's like 10 people there. So everybody can hear what I'm saying. Lars. He didn't, he didn't think that was funny. No, we love, we love Lars. We do. Absolutely. Yes. We do. Makes a killer tofu. Talk about Joe. You're on fire tonight, Joe. You're on fire tonight. When we get together, it's like roommates 60 years ago. It's like, yeah, I appreciate this every time I see coach go. Well, that's it for the question. That's going to be my signal for you getting to get in the crowd going. We're going to raise it up the flagpole. He's going to have a timeout, look up at the parking lot and just go. We'll put this on YouTube for people who are listening to the audio. We're just taking drawers and spreading them wider, like a waist 40, 45, something like that. Who's counting? Well, coach Torpy, welcome to old Bruno, baby. Welcome to all Bruno, right to be here. Guys. I love the guests tonight. I'm pretty fired up that he was on here. Joe, thank you. Thought that would be special for you. A ton of special treat. Joe, thanks for episode. Jay get the last scoop. Despite your rude interruptions throughout. It was a tremendous episode. You know, someone's got to really, when we'd be here, it's seven 40, we'd be here until 10 40. If it weren't for me. Jay, do you see the smiles on everyone's faces, Joe? Everybody sees too. Hey, I'm smiling too. Having a lovely time. Joe, you're, I know Jay's doer. I'm, I'm like, Jay's like, oh, okay. That. Thank you Ron. That was great. Thank you. Come on Ron. Christ. I mean, I'm usually the fun but a little energy jay for our desk. Someone's gotta be like the detail guy. It's, it's driving me crazy. What the love of God? I wanna be fun. Well, I just want to wish first of all, thanks to you two both. I don't know who, but one of you for having me coach Grassoff, you're, you're a special guest, so great seeing your face again and just wishing coach Torpey much, much success. You guys got an absolute gem on your hands and there's nobody better than him in the, in the business. And, and He's going to do wonders for Brown. So Torps, when I semi retired down here and you need a staff member, call me up, baby. Director personnel coach with those three hour lunches, come up and stay at your house. Yeah. I'll show you my undies again. Jesus. God. Brash. Brash. Thanks so much for coming on. And John, thanks for coming on so much. Look at him. My mate is here. He's loving it. He's loving it. It's great. Beautiful. Yeah. I know. Joe, you enjoy yourself tonight. Go up there and tell Julie, okay? Yeah. And thanks for staying overtime, guys. We really appreciate it. And we'll both, Joe, we'll take, we'll both take credit. I texted dog and said, why don't we get fresh in as the mystery guest and dog was on it. That's awesome. It was like to have both you guys on. It was awesome. Every time all American, baby. See you fellas. Love your brush. Love your kid. All right. Good night. Get some dinner. Good night guys. Thank you guys. Here's to hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the get the lax scoop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.