S2 E41. Breschi Helps a Builder Find his Inner Bear: Brown's New Head Coach Jon Torpey, Part II.

In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop' co-hosted by Ron, The Big Dawg, Dalgliesh and Jay (Jaybird) McMahon, special guests John Torpey, head coach of Brown Men's Lacrosse, and Joe Breschi, head coach at UNC and Torpey's former mentor, delve into Torpey's journey to becoming Brown's new head coach. They discuss his career, coaching philosophy, and significant moments from their past working together. The episode also features insights into the JML skills, mindset, and lacrosse IQ training, aimed at helping the next generation of players. Additionally, the hosts and guests share entertaining anecdotes and playoff memories, making for an engaging and informative listen for lacrosse enthusiasts.
00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop
00:23 Meet the Hosts and Special Guest
01:02 Interview with John Torpey Begins
01:32 John Torpey's Journey to Brown
05:04 Surprise Guest Appearance
07:48 Coach Joe Bresci's Insights
15:19 Mindset Minute: Focus on the Process
17:40 JML Courses and Special Offer
20:15 Book Announcement and Patreon Launch
20:57 Memorable Moments with Coach Brushy
25:57 Living with Coach Ron Doglish
28:37 Building Success at Brown
35:58 Coach Torpey's Vision for Brown Lacrosse
39:31 Current Players and Future Outlook
39:48 Conclusion and Sign-Off

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It's time for Get the Lack Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know in the game of lacrosse. We take lack seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join host Big Dog and Jaybird and the biggest names in the game brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lacks IQ training. Ron Doglish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the Sports Foundation. And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All American midfielder at Brown. He was a captain of the U. S. Junior National Team and is the founder of JML. And joining us in the studio, Steve Grassoffi, whose collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal, Again, start with brought to you by Jay McMahon, lacrosse. That's JML skills, mindset, and lax IQ training, helping the next generation cross players get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're super excited to bring you part two of our interview series with brown men's lacrosse, head coach, John Torpey and special guest us ILA coach of the year from UNC and coach Torpys former coach at Ohio state, Joe brushy. If you have not heard part one of this series, we highly recommend you go back and check it out as it was really, and truly a hoot. You will find this portion of our interview. In progress.

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So John, as we all know, you were named the head coach of Brownmans Lacks this summer. So please tell us how that opportunity came about and as you said you'd been at High Point and for so many years and had such great success there and it was really your baby. You started that whole thing. So it couldn't have been an easy decision. But tell us, tell us about that process. Yeah, it was, it was a phone call that I got asking if I'd be interested and, you know, I kind of got off the phone call and went and spoke to my wife and I go, what do you think about, you know, looking into brown? And she goes, listen, I'll go wherever you want if you feel like it's a great opportunity. So pursued it got on the phone with Grace, Tim Fitzpatrick. You know, Darren Lowe was involved in the process, got a chance to talk to him a little bit and, you know, talk to a bunch of, you know, people that I knew that had been at, at Brown. You know, I kind of bounced some things off of Jamie, bounce some things off of Andy spoke to Joe Braschi about it. And there were like two, like real, like vivid things that stood out to me, you know, when I went through the process and, you know, contemplated leaving this place that I had a love affair with, with high point having, you know, built everything, you know, with our staff, with our guys, you know, from nothing. And it was a conversation I had with coach Bresci where he said, you know, when I was Carolina and leaving Ohio state. I was walking through the hallway at Woody Hayes and I ran into Jim Trestle and, you know, he said every 12 to 14 years, you got to think about, you know, doing something different, taking on a new challenge and, and, and, you know, going after something and reinventing yourself. And so that was like vivid in my mind. And then it was this like little chapter of a book that I read on Woody Hayes one time where You know, he gets to the Ohio, he gets to Ohio state and he's in his first press conference and people think he's crazy for taking the job. And, and he says something along the lines of like, you know, I'm, I'm leaving up, you know, I'm leaving security for opportunity and, you know, that's just playing in my mind. So. Got a chance to come up here. You know, got a chance to meet with grace and a bunch of other administrators and, you know, see the facilities and, and kind of came back home, talked to my wife, went back and forth for probably three days. And I remember telling my staff at high point, I'm not, I'm not going, I'm staying at high point. And then grace called me again. And I said, grace, like just, I love like talking to grace because it just felt like, you know, I was in the presence of an athletic director that just wanted to win and do things the right way. And, and it was, was successful kind of everywhere she had been. And I just said to my wife, I go, I think we should go up there together and take a look. And we came up here and I remember walking through the doors of the Pizza Tola center saying like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I can leave my guys at high point. I don't know if, if this is what I want to do. And I remember my wife saying something along the lines of like, this is, you know, one of the first opportunities you've ever had where, you know, they're doing everything the right way and I think you deserve it. And I remember like kind of taking a step back and I said, let's go upstairs and let's take this thing, you know? And so. That was, that was just a really cool day. And it's been, you know, this incredible whirlwind, but all positive sense where, you know, getting to know the alums, getting to know our guys, you know, getting to really, you know, get to know who they are as people and players and bringing my staff up here for the most part with me it's been, it's been a lot of fun. That's amazing. Well, you know what? We've got a, do we have a, do we have a special surprise guests that wait a minute? I think we do on zoom. It just popped in. Who is this? Someone you might know who is, is, I think is that, could it be, could it be look at, look at them. Coach. I just said all these nice things about you, man. I hope you were listening. McMahon wouldn't let me get on early so I could listen. He was giving us a great answer. It's all about the airtime, Joe. I'm like, Oh no, Joe's here, but we're in the, we're like getting a great answer here. I'm like, all right, hopefully he stays on. Love fest, man. All the same. So Joe, Joe, Joe, nobody knows who's listening to this. This is a, this is an audio. Oh, Ron, when you do the intro, please. So John, as we may have just given away, we we've got a very special surprise. Mr. A guest for you your head coach at the Ohio state university. He played his high school lacrosse at Loyola in Baltimore. Thank God. We finally have three Maryland guys on here. It's rough to counteract. Jay McMahon and his Long Island ness. Our special guest was a two time All American Defender at North Carolina. A two time member of team USA. He's the current head coach at his alma mater. And in 2016, he led his Tar Heels to the promised land of a national championship for the first time in 25 years. Oh yes. Yes. UNC head coach, Joe Bresci is here to officially welcome coach Torpey to Brown and be our special guest for the rest of this podcast. Welcome coach Bresci. Giuseppe! Giuseppe! Thanks for joining us, coach. This is awesome. It's a pleasure. The one thing I'll add to that introduction is that was a two time roommate of Ron Doglish around university during Yes. What a highlight. That's just memorable. We'll get into that a little bit. No, for sure. Absolute highlight, Jay Stolpert, who we also have been mentioning. Yes, Jay Stolpert. We had quite the crew and Andrew Towers, another Brown bear. Yes, yes. Those were some good times, Joe. Excellent. Yes. Well, it's a joy to be here. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to be around coach Torpy. One of my all time, all time favorite players and coaches in this profession for sure. So I'm thrilled. Awesome. We're going to ask some questions here, Joe. Jay, please take it away. You're in the hot seat. So, as we mentioned in the opening, Joe, you coached John Torpy back at OSU. And please tell us what he meant to you and your program as a three time captain. That's pretty unusual. I don't know that I know of any other three time captains. So, tell us about this guy, a young John Torpy on the scene at Ohio State. And we kind of had reviewed how his coach had just left. You came in. And take it from there. I'm nervous. Coach. No need to be nervous. Big dog. I was nervous when, when I was trying to or concerned about, you know, you taking off from Ohio state. I was like, Oh God, is he going to stay? And I had to go crawl over glass to, to make sure. Coach Torpy would stay and he, by his peers, was named captain three times in a row. My first three years at, at the Ohio State University. And I, you know, you think about, I've been doing this a long time, 30 plus years, and you think about the guys who, who stand out at each of the, Respective stops or throughout the different decades of of coaching guys I've played with and, and then had an opportunity to, to coach, whether it's at Carolina. Brown, Ohio State or back to Carolina and John Torpy was simply one of the best as a leader, as a competitor love for the game, love for his teammates and just did everything. 100 miles an hour. Sometimes I'd have to rein them in a little bit, but you know what? We always say, and I'm sure Coach Dorpy can attest to, when you're recruiting, you'd rather rein kids in than than try to make them aggressive or make them tougher, et cetera. And John was just a class act man of integrity. just a huge heart. So happy for him when he when he had the opportunity at High Point to to start the program there and just had a stellar career. And now he's up at one of my all time favorite places in Brown University and couldn't couldn't be a better fit for Brown and for Coach Torpey. That's awesome. And so, John, you know, hearing Joe talk about you that way, I know that, John, you then went on to give Joe some of those white hairs, they're not even gray anymore, Joe, they're just white, they're just full on white hairs, I know you gave a couple of those as a head coach at High Point, so what was it like going from You know, the player coach relationship to then having Joby, one of your peers, kind of right down the road as a head division one lacrosse coach. Coach Bresci gave me a lot more white hairs than I gave him. I took a lot of, I took a lot of whoops on the fanny from that guy over the years. No, it was, it was really cool. And I think like when I first got there. You know, I lean on coach a lot, you know, for everything from advice on, you know, how to be a head coach to you know, what to do for certain things. And I remember going down and he would let me come and watch practices. And I mean, that was like the coolest thing ever. I remember that little field you guys had coach like in the woods and coming down there and just like stealing like so many different things, you know, from coach. And I was over at Duke doing the same thing with those guys. But I appreciate all the kind words, but like, you know, Joe Bresci man is like, he's singular in this sport. Unbelievable human being, you know, a great dad. And, you know, I told these guys coach before, like one of the biggest things that, you know, led me to Brown was a conversation, you know, you had with Jim Trestle about the, reinvent yourself and, trying to change things up after a couple of years of being in the same place. And it was a vivid thought on my mind. And, you know, these, Encounters we've had over the years, whether they're on the, on the phone or, going down to Chapel Hill to see you know, whether you knew it or not, man, I was always trying to steal everything you were doing because I always felt like you were one of the best guys in the world at what you did. And, and the proof is in the pudding, man. Well, I appreciate that. I, you know, it's been you know, it's so gratifying to see a guy like John. Go through the ranks as a student athlete at Ohio State, then get into the coaching world. And obviously he was surrounded by some great head coaches during his time and Andy Towers and Jamie Monroe and so forth. A couple of brown guys, ironically, right? And then, and then he heads down and starts his own program. And you know, one thing that I always stress the guys and, and john is the epitome of it is to be authentic. to be who you are and and not try to become somebody you're not. And I, I got that message from Toby Mink, a former teammate of John's. And I remember my first year as a head coach at 28 years old at Ohio state. And we had individual meetings and at the end of the year, Toby Mink said to me, he said, coach, man, we love your energy. We love your passion, but we don't know you. And to me, it was like, wow, that was a kick in the gut because that's all who I was at Brown was just being myself and to put on the head coaching hat and, and pretend that I'm not that guy anymore was, was exactly what I needed as a, as a young head coach, 28 years old, trying to figure it out. The message I hand off to guys like Coach Torpy when he took over at High Point was just that, be who you are, no need to change, just be authentic and kids see right through it when you're not, and at the end of the day, that's how I owe it to Toby Mink, and actually Toby Mink and I share the same birthday, ironically. So we're both Aries, Ron. I know you were wondering. I was Joe. I was like, like, geez, did I miss it? I get it now. But it's just it's so great. I mean, you know, you think about all the guys you coached over the years and to watch their, their journey, not, not just as, as a player, but as a coach and his profession, and then John with his family is just, it's amazing. And it's so fun to watch. And, and it's part of the journey and part of the beauty of, of. Getting to teach, coach, educate, mentor 18 to 22 year olds. And, and that's a, that's a really cool and fortunate position to be in. That's awesome. And then, you know, when you're standing there on the field and you're looking across that substitution box and coach Torpey's being coach Torpey, you're thinking, all right, take it easy, Pat. You're being a little too much yourself. You never slow down. You're screaming at the reps. Was it, it's kind of surreal. Just like, look, and I'd be like, yeah, he's, he's being authentic. Well, coach Torps and I have had some dog fights and he got the best of me. this past year. And I thought it was a crazy finish. I love it for him. And, you know, I tell you, I was, I was so happy for him after the game. Certainly disappointed in us, but you know, happy for him and how his team played and the joy on their faces. And you know, it was many, many years of battling with coach Torpey. So I'm glad he's in the Ivy League now. Nice. Nice. Yeah, we've had some great ones over the years. Some great sideline antics. Your pupil, man, oh my God.

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So so John, we want to know some of your most memorable moments of coach brushy as your head coach. And don't, don't, you know, don't hold back here as he said, he was a young 28 year old time. He had just left me to come to make some mistakes. Coach Torpey. So interesting. No, he had to find a, Ron had to find a different roommate because I left him. I know. Left me. I had to go get my own little apartment. Oh my gosh, man. This is like, this is hot seat right here. I'll tell you one of my favorite. I'll let Torpy kind of expand on it. But so one of my all time favorite As I mentioned, I'm a young head coach out at the Ohio State University. I'm trying to put a schedule together and nobody in their right mind wants to come to the Ohio State University and play us. So I'm scramble city. And I'm like, well, at least my conference will play on a weekend, but lo and behold in my conference or the leprechauns up north. And So I call up the King leprechaun and I said I said, Hey do you want to play on a weekend? This is, you know, it's a, it's a conference game and the whole bit. And there's like, no, I got to play better teams than than you on the weekend. And I was like, Ooh, that's painful. I said, but we're in conference coach. And he's like, no, we got to play better teams. I said, okay, but we went up there year one. You've forgotten all about that. You've that you've let that go behind you. I have absolutely forgotten all about it 25 years ago. So as coach Torpy can remember, I think we lost 11 to two, three, four. I can't remember, but we had lost by like a hundred the year before. And we lose by a respectable amount. So we're on the bus ride home and the, the, the giggles and the laughs and the chuckles in the back of the bus or are not helping me. So I asked the bus driver on the highway to pull over. So he pulls over. on the side of the road on the way home from South Bend. And I asked all the, including the bus driver and the support staff to get off the bus. And then I proceeded to, to let the guys in the back know just how excited I was about their, their jokes that they were telling after we got our. Tushy's whooped by the fighting Irish. And I said, this is not why I came here. And from that moment on, it kind of set the tone for the rest of the year. Now, you know, we were six and eight, I believe, or five and seven our first year but then it kind of changed the tone that we were not in it for the shorts anymore, we were in it to win. And fast forward one year, cause I know dog's trying to, he's trying to figure out. So, so what happened the following year against the fighting leprechauns? And And we actually I made the same phone call and got the same answer. So they came down to Columbus midweek. And 42 zone, baby 42 zone. We played a box in two zone. Oh, that was the old fire call. A brown. That was fire. We spun the ball about eight times before we attacked the cage. Abley's had like. 18 saves. We took 24 shots total and Buddy Lang stuck the game winner with seven seconds left and ready boom boom Ready? Boom. Boom. Hurry. Hurry. He was at the face off X. I said, do like your dad who was a pro wrestler. I said, do like your dad. Just get in a tussle at the face off X in the last seven seconds and we won 5 4 and yes. And yes, dog, from that moment on, we played on a weekend, baby. That is a great, that would be my favorite story. Add something to that story. That's the first time like Notre Dame ever came out with the bagpipes. I don't if remember they walked outta the Woody Hayes and at the end of the game, coach pulls us in and he goes, fellas, we just took the wind out of the bagpipes. That's great. That's beautiful. I love it. That is vintage, brush. Ah, I tell ya, and the cool thing about Ohio State was you know, Andy Geiger was like hugging me, high fiving, and then Archie Griffin, who knows nothing about the game of lacrosse, was like, that was an unbelievable win, and just because we beat Notre Dame. And we got like Archie Griffin, the only two time Heisman on board and I mean, they loved it. It was, it was fun. That is beautiful. Now here's a real critical question for you, Coach Bresci. You know, listeners are going to be super intrigued. Can you describe what it was like to have to live with coach Ron Doglish for two years? Big dog. What are your most, most impressive memories as you were an assistant, defensive coordinator, dog was an assistant. Pete Lasagna, head coach, just, just landed out there. Don't hold back, please. Oh my dog. You're sweating, aren't you? I'm perspiring a little, Joe. Although you might have to hold back a little. You did tell me one story, you know, you can't share. But other than that, well, you did actually, you told me one time a couple of years ago. Oh, back in the heyday? This is a Dog, dog Don't tell that one. Dog had the he had a knack for, for having shortcuts down at one of the drinking establishments over, right over the bridge by, bridge by the old fish company. Oh, yeah. And Big Dog would, would toss a few back and he'd invite all the ladies from the establishment Back to the Oh, that was casting a wide net and they were the, you played no part in that Joe. That was no, no, I never had a wing man with me. Coach Torpy. No, I was always there. It was, it was dog. And I would kind of look around and see if towers had left any for us. And then we'd like spread our wings and we'd be like, dog, let's, let's rope him in and let's start moving towards, I always took a lot of credit for coach brushy's marriage to Julie, because I think after about two years of Joey, I being together, she's like, Joe, we're moving to Columbus and we're leaving, we're leaving Ron here. Right. He's not coming with us now. I mean, look, Brown holds a special place and, and, and you know, I met my wife, Julie there and, and that is we both worked in the athletic department on the same hallway at OMAC. And was it no pits at all? Yeah. And right down the hallway. So, you know, Brown special, special place and Ron, I'll keep your skeletons in the closet, big dog. Cause I remember opening the door to try to get them to practice one day. Similar situation, Joe, stop it right there. Cause I've heard this is, this is what's called assured destruction. Joe, we should just stop it right here. Say we were both winners. Both winners, Joe competitors and winners. Yes. All right, Joe, now this is a serious one. Okay. My friend. So you know, you were as, as we've talked about, you were part of that Brown lacrosse coaching staff. I think you spent seven years at Brown with with coach lasagna and and in 94, five years, I'm not good at math. I went to Brown. I didn't have to take math. I didn't have to take math. Coach Torpy took one math class. That's a seller. That's a seller on the recruiting for us. Social science guys. Okay. One more that I took it all. Five years with coach lasagna and a 94. You were part of one of the two brown teams that went to the final four. So you know, coach Torpy already mentioned that you as he, he reached out to, and you obviously. knew what it took to succeed at the highest level at Brown. So what were some of the things that you shared with Coach Torpey and that you remember about what it took for you guys to build that kind of success at Brown back then? And obviously, you know what it takes to build success at the highest level today. Well, I tell you first and foremost, kudos to coach Lasagna for giving me the opportunity to come up there and be a part of his coaching staff. And he was so fun and so exciting to work with. And I learned so much from him, not only as a, as a coach, but as a dad and, and and relationships with the kids and Pete just had fun at the profession. And I think sometimes although we are very passionate and, and committed to our craft, it's, it's important to keep balance in your life. And I think Pete was the epitome of balance as, as a head coach. And so I was fortunate enough to be the defensive coordinator for five years with Coach Lasagna and learned so much from him, as I mentioned. And, and but he gave me carte blanche at the defensive end and I was 23 and living with Andy Towers. So I was trying to find him because he had to make the bus. So, you know, I think from my perspective, it was it was just a really neat experience. We go 10 and three, our first year, We don't get in the NCAA tournament. And then and then we're, we start out the season one and four, our second year, and we go on a 12 game win streak spearheaded by just a fantastic senior class. And by the way, director of player personnel for the University of North Carolina. Is none other than number 20 Rob Gutow. So that's right. I just heard that. And he's on our staff. And he was a senior, right? Yes, he was a senior. And he was just a phenomenal leader. Gary Nelson. I mean, you name it. We had a heck of a group and, and you know, it just goes to show you, I mean, we were similar here in 2016, we were three and three to start the year. And then goalie gets hot, team gets hot at the right time. And then you, you, you kind of excel. But at Brown, it was just, it was a dream opportunity. I remember being, I think we were two and four or three and four at the time. And we played number one, Princeton rolls in and they've won every game. Rob Guttel gave me this stat. He's like, yeah, Princeton was averaging 17. 6 goals a game and coming into that game and we ran boxing too on low and Reinhardt locked both of those off with short sticks and ran a box behind a coach Torpey's very surprising. And they started throwing and we did a floating man down box with a floater and they started throwing the ball and hitting our guy in the back who was shutting off. I mean, it was just a thing of beauty from an execution by the players. And it was, it was awesome. It was 76 going into the fourth quarter. We were winning 76 Jay Stalford and Scott Bacigalupo were standing on their heads. The game ended seven, six. So we held a team average in 17. 6 goals a game to six goals. And I remember celebrating at at the fish company. And just to reiterate back to the birthday, it was on my birthday knocked off Princeton and it was just, it was awesome. So you, you talk about one of the greatest games wins was, was that one. And then you fast forward to the quarterfinals at Loyola which was just spectacular. It was a one goal game and, you know, we dropped the ball, they come up, we kind of goose it forward and, and, Gets bantered around and we score the game winner in overtime. I think it was overtime. Yeah, it was funny because around covid Pete sent out these videotapes of the Princeton game of the Loyola game and I watched them and they're pretty fresh because it was like in that Loyola game. The ball kind of went down. Loyola over commits. A guy picks up and it was like three passes, but you could see with each pass. Everybody on Brown is like, Oh my God, one more pass. We're going to have a wide open shot. And that was the case. And then boom. Oh man. And then that person obviously was amazing too. And Goody was playing at X basically as a midfielder with a short stick on that was like Pete's innovation. And he had like almost 40 assists or something that he seasoned. So that was Pete. Pete and you were quite innovative with that team. It was pretty. Yeah, it was fun. We went back and forth a bunch. You know, it was just I love as coach Torpy knows. And I think, you know, as I was some call it junk defenses, I call creative defenses. You know, that's what we did at Ohio State to kind of put ourselves on the map a little bit and then and then that continued, you know, obviously came from Brown and that continued at Ohio State and in my coaching career. So, I mean, those were two of the. the great ones. We want a couple, I think two Ivy League championships, the final four and a couple trips to the tournament. And it was awesome. I love Julie and I talk about it all the time. You know, just a incredible experience we had up there and how how quickly it's it's been 27 28 years. All right. So coach, after that nice little trip down memory lane, can we like zoom back to coach Torpey? And today, what, what, how about back to back to coach Torpey now and today, Joe, and what is it going to take for coach Torpey to be successful and why is he going to be successful at Brown? Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a no brainer for me. I mean, you know, my conversation with coach Torpy was just, you know, knowing the culture, knowing the approach and the passion that the alumni have at Brown and the opportunity for a guy who's equally as hungry. As competitive as Coach Torpy is I cannot wait to watch the program just elevate to new heights. And back to that you know, competing for Ivy championships and NCAA tournament. bids and left and right. I just not to put pressure on Coach Torrance, but you know, there is nobody in our sport that works harder than him. He leaves no stone unturned. His recruiting, his his love for the game, his he's innovative. He's put together a terrific coaching staff. I'm excited to see it. And I told him, I said, I'll play in the first couple of years, but, but look out for the rest of the, that's nice of you, Joe. Yeah. Now coach. Right. And so coach Torpy you know, John, we're thinking about high school players. We've got a lot of young listeners out there and parents too, who have kids that were playing and what would you want them to know about your coaching style and what your approach is going to be like at Brown and the way you like your teams to play. Yeah, I mean, I think for me coach brush hit the nail on the head. And again, man, who I am is a byproduct of all these amazing people. I've been around him being, you know, one of the biggest, if not the biggest, but it's just the authenticity piece. I mean, what you're going to get with me is always a guy who's going to shoot you straight. I honestly love my guys. I love nothing more than being around them at practice and grabbing a cup of coffee with them afterwards and just having them come up to the office. So, you know, I think one of the things that makes. You know, coach brush, he's so unique and impactful in the sport is his accessibility, man, to, you know, guys like me who played for him 20 plus years ago that I know I can call him and text him any time of day. And he's going to get back to me. And you think about like things you've learned from guys that you've had as mentors and that might be the biggest, I mean, there's never been a time where I've texted him or called him and we haven't had a conversation five minutes after the text or, you know, he picks up the phone immediately. So I want to give that same gift to my guys. And then in terms of the way we're going to play, like, you know, again, I think you learn from these amazing guys that have a core kind of set of, this is who we are from a values perspective. And, you know, we want to kind of, you know, give guys these specific skills and have simple, you know, philosophies of attack in the middle of the field on offense, protect the middle of the field and defense, and, you know, being able to be you know, a bit of a chameleon in the middle third of the field, but. It's just the adaptability that I'm going to really ask our guys to play with from game to game, minute to minute quarter to quarter time out to time out where, you know, can we look at an iPad? Can we look at the game? Can we, you know, look at things that we evaluated during the course of the week leading up to the game and say, can we go at these guys or can we defend these guys with certain things that we can throw at them? And, you know, just listen to the coach talk about you know, the 42 zone you know, it just, it just, you always think about like where you came from and who you are and why you are the way you are. And it's interesting to hear like the Pete lasagna, you know, given coach brush the reins, because every guy that I was fortunate enough to coach with, Did the same thing. It was like, go down that end of the field, figure it out. And, you know, when you're like that and you play for a guy, you know, for three years, that was like that, you come up with these crazy ideas, but sometimes, you know, they actually work. And when they do there's nothing more fun than, you know, seeing guys get addicted and obsessed with the growth that comes with, you know, you giving them something that they never thought they could do and all of this. kind of like who I am and what I want to do and how I want to be in this profession, you know, probably stems back to all the things that we did probably leading up to that Notre Dame game, the failures, the small successes, the change ups, the, you know, how can we, you know, write our own script of who we want to be and what we want to do. And you know, I just, I, I, I've loved that, you know, about the sport. And so want to bring that same kind of passion and that same kind of innovativeness and, and that same kind of belief up here. So looking forward to the start of the journey and, and I'm sure there'll be some hiccups, but hopefully all you guys like me in another three years. Sure, we will. Yeah, so you just completed your first fall, for the most part, up there at Brown, up at Providence. And we had a great alumni weekend a couple weeks ago. Great turnout. And so tell us a little bit about some of the current players that you have and what your outlook is going to be like in the spring of 2025. until we meet again. Here's to hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the get the lax scoop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time