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S2 E39. The Trials and Triumph Of PLL & NLL All Star, Zed Williams with HOFer Dom Starsia; A True Success Story, Part III.
In this episode of Get the Lax Scoop, host Jay McMahon engages in an in-depth conversation with PLL MVP Zed Williams and his former UVA coach, Dom Starsia. The discussion covers Zed's inspiring journey from his reservation to collegiate success and his transformation into a professional lacrosse superstar. The episode emphasizes Zed's work ethic, versatility in both field and box lacrosse, and the significant impact of habits and routines on his success. Additionally, it touches on the new training opportunities available through Jay McMahon Lacrosse, designed to boost skills and mindset, and explores the potential of lacrosse being included in the 2028 Olympics. The episode concludes with reflections on Zed's personal growth and the support from his community on the Cattaraugus Reservation, portraying his resilience and dedication to the sport.
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00:23 Meet the Host and Special Guests
01:02 Interview with Zed Williams and Dom Starsia
01:43 Zed Williams' Journey and Transformation
04:30 Zed Williams' Professional Career
10:50 Mindset and Habits of Excellence
14:11 Introduction to JML Courses
14:37 The Importance of Comprehensive Training
15:53 Special Offer and New Courses
16:30 Exclusive Content and Community Support
17:37 Interview with Zed Williams
20:27 Zed's Perspective on Sixes Format in Olympics23:36 Future Goals and Community Impact
27:44 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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MacBook Pro Microphone:Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. Today, we're sharing with you the third and final installment of our interview series with PLL MVP and attachment of the year. And LL all-star and holding a Shonie national team, bronze medalist, Zed Williams. Along with surprise mystery guest. Us lacrosse hall of Famer and Zed, former code from UVA, Dom star Xia. If you've not heard parts one and two of this program, we highly recommend you go back and do so. As the exchange between Domino's ed was nothing short of poignant. You will find this interview
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MacBook Pro Microphone-1:As ed describes how coach stars. And van Arsdale his approach to recruiting. Was truly life-changing for Williams.
I just want kids to know, like, that there's other options as well because when you look down the res, there is depression, there is alcoholism, there is, you know, marijuana and like, like all that stuff leads to other drugs, you know, the more sitting or sitting around you do on the res. So I just think the coach man, coach stars are from the second I met them. They understood that part of it the most. That's great. That's awesome. And, you know, a lot of times you hear Coach Tiffany always referring to his group as the men, and I always think a freshman coming in, they're really just boys, maybe senior boys, but it's boys to men. And it sounds like you really made that transition, you know, while you're at UVA. So that, and Dom, could you see that from Zed? Naturally, he's coming from his high school, from the reservation, coming to UVA, and over four years, did you just see like real transformation taking place? Yes. Well, his answer to that question that we just asked was probably more words than he spoke in his first two years in Charlottesville, you know you know, absolutely. You know, I'm a, I'm a sort of a boy's guy. That's how it comes out of my mouth. I don't, you know, I know what Lars does and just the difference in language for the most part. I think our intent is basically the same you know, but I guess, like I said, I, I don't think. I don't think anyone in my 42 years coaching college athletics and college sports, I don't think anyone came as far from making a decision to attend a college to walking in graduation than Zed Williams did, you know, and that's, I had early concerns about whether or not I was doing the right thing by encouraging him to leave home, leave that community that is so tight and, and trust us at UVA. You know, I wanted to. There was no way to guarantee that it was going to be, it was going to be a successful run, but but he came and you know, again, he did everything everybody asked, you know, I mean, if you needed to find Zed, you found him buried in study hall, you know, in the, in the basement of the JPJ and you know when I had a chance late in his senior year around graduation to run into some of the drama professors and some of the people that, that took the time to get the nose ed you know, the way that I feel like I did they felt the same way, you know, they just, this was a young guy that you really wanted to be, you wanted to have him be successful. You want to give him the tools to be able to do that. You know, how can I help you make this happen? Because he was so anxious to to, to, to make it happen for himself, you know? And so You know, over the course of a long career again, I don't know that there's ever been anything more fulfilling than being being at Zed's graduation from the University of Virginia. That's awesome. And and then tell us what it's been like to watch him develop as a pro, because we were talking earlier. And he was saying he could really focus on his game so much naturally as a pro, where he had so many balls in the air there at UVA, you know, with academics and whatnot. And but he really exploded on the scene in that 2020 season with the PLL and he's been a superstar ever since. So, you know, tell us about that. What's that? Yeah, well, I think from my perspective, it was, you know, I, I. I thought when I saw him play that that's what he was capable of. And again, it just, I would say his time at UVA just, just slowed down his progress as a player. You know, I mean, a lot of guys come in and they just blossom right away because essentially they're, they're in the locker room all the time. And they're, you know, they're in the weight room in there when they have time. And, you know, and when Zed was doing some of those things, you could see that like in the weight room, you know, he could push more. He could push more weight around than anybody, you know, I don't think it was his first instinct, but it was, he had the physical tools and you know, so what he's been able to do since he graduated is what I think, I think I knew he was always capable of that, whether or not he was ever going to reach that level or not, he can always guarantee that but those early years in the PLL and watching him in the indoor game You know he can just he can, you know, he's, he's skilled, he's got a knack for it, and he's just a powerful guy. You know, he just watched some of these defensemen in the PLL, you know, and Zed starts to come around the corner, and I'm thinking, you can't stop this guy. You can't, sorry son, you can't cover this guy, you know, and and he'll turn and get a shot off. I remember talking to Lyle Thompson one time about Zed, and Lyle said that Zed gets a shot off quicker than anybody that he knows. Even quicker than he does, you know, and so when you add that, that skill level, that sense of being able to score, you know, those, those subtle knacks Jay and and then to his physical ability and all. And it's a, it's a, it's a tough combination and, and it, you know, it's why he's been so successful, you know, in the indoor game, you know, they. They won a year, they got to the finals. You know, he was the leading guy. He was the leading player on the, in the indoor game. And you know, so it was interesting in these, in these more recent world games, I feel like Zed, were you did they ask you to play a more defensive role, you know Get out there, get Zedd out there on offense. Would you believe it? And and I thought, well, maybe he wants to play with Zach and Zach, you know, Zach's being a runner. And you know, so, I mean, in the outdoor world championships, you saw Zedd with a long pole. Oh, no, we were talking about that. That's amazing. That native team needed some help there and he was willing to do that. And then he did a great job. And I felt like he could have done more, could have been a little bit more offensive in the indoor championships that they just finished. But he may have been just doing what the team needed, which The way he is, you know, so yeah, both are true. Same thing. I said, I'd do whatever you want me to do. That was like going out the back door and playing defense and let the, you know, the offensive players handle the offense, but at the same time, like I wanted to play with Zach too on the defensive end, so yeah, mixing it up. That's great. So you know, you naturally have coached some of the best players of all time, and now the fact that Zed's been a PLL MVP. An indoor all star champion in both leagues and not only starter on attack in the world games, but a starter on defense in the world games. Where would you stack him up as some of the best players you've ever coached? There's gotta be a chance jay. I'm going there, you know Right, you don't want to get you know when that's what you get get jay galbert and andy towers and Doug Knight and Michael Watson and Jay McMahon and Darren. Look at them all on the phone and we'll have a conference call for versatility. We'll pick straws, you know yeah. I mean, in this moment in time, you know, it's, it's, it is just a, it's a joy to watch because he can do everything. He can do anything, you know, and And and clearly on a, you know, on a list of the best players I've ever had a great pleasure to be able to work with you know, Zed is right near the top of that list. And you know, so I've been, I've been blessed over a long career and and you know, I, when I saw Zed as a, you know, again, when I saw him play as a sophomore in high school you know, never coming off the field and, you know, he had a peculiar face off style. You remember that Zed, you had one foot way back and, and he was playing again. He was playing man down and man up and, and literally never came off the field and thought this is a very, very special player, you know, and it may have taken a little while for that. Some of that to come out. But but I think everybody appreciates appreciates who he is and what he, what he's capable of doing now. That's great. Question was Andy Towers. I heard he was like the best, the best player in the world. Like he was, he was Jay McMahon. You know, I would, you know, I, I, I think Jay would agree Jay knows Andy as well as I do. And you know, Andy is tremendously talented player. Could do everything too. Very good face off guy. Play was all American and on attack was a first team all American in the midfield. He could have been an all american defenseman. I would give him in a long pole. Same as same as with you. And I would put Jal Jal bare in that same category. Six foot three, 215 quick, you know, tough. You know, so you guys would, if I threw you all in a pit, you'd have a hell of a battle. I'll tell you that right now. I'd never seen him play, but like, obviously you see him around the PLL all the time. I know it's crazy. You know, it's like you know, I watched the highlights of him, you know, and W W W E. Yeah, you can tell he loves his teammates and he instills confidence in all his players. Like from afar anyways, cause I never played for him, but he looks like a great coach to play for. Yeah, no doubt. He was a great teammate and and he was a big guy, but he was a lot thinner then. I mean, he still was powerful. Like when he played attack, he could, he was very quick. So he was a tough, tough cover because he was, you might want to put a big defenseman on him. You know, like this guy, Mike Murphy from Harvard, he was very good. He was an all American, but he would just saw him even this summer. He was saying how he could not cover Andy because Andy was so fast. I mean, Andy was like probably the fastest guy in the field, just, you know, even though he was one of the bigger guys in the field. So yeah, he definitely had a unique combination, no doubt. And then the unique personality. That's for sure. What's that? Leave it right there, Jay. Leave it right there, yeah.
Jay:How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here.
MacBook Pro Microphone-4:The following piece comes from a course. I took from sports performance expert, Brian Kane, in which he taught coaches how to help athletes with their meltable Formance both on and off the field. And we share that information with our in-person and online training with Jane McMahon lacrosse. Today's message is about something that's key to becoming the best version of yourself as a lacrosse player. And that is the power of routines and habits of excellence. There's a famous quote that says we are what we repeatedly do. Excellent then is not an act, but a habit. In other words, the small things you do every day, add up to big results over time. Success. Isn't about one big moment or one great game. It's about the consistent routines and habits you build. That push you toward your goals every single day. Now here's why developing the right habits is one of the keys to your success. Routines, keep you on track. When you have a solid routine, you don't leave your progress up to chance whether it's practicing your stick skills, hitting the gym, or getting enough rest, having a routine ensures that you're taking steps toward improvement. Every single day. Habits create consistency. Consistency is key. Great players. Don't just have one good practice. They put in the work day in and day out. When you build habits of excellence, like staying disciplined with your training and diet success becomes inevitable. And in fact, one of the quotes that Dom Starla is famous for saying in practice was that consistency is the greatest form of mental toughness. Next. Good habits, build confidence. When, you know, you've put in the work and followed your routine, you step onto the field with confidence. You know, you're prepared because you've built the skills and mindset needed to succeed. So, how do you develop habits of excellence? Here are a few tips. Number one start small and stay consistent. Big changes don't happen overnight. Start by committing to one or two daily habits that align with your goals, whether it's practicing for 15 minutes a day, or doing a hundred reps with your right and left hand with wall ball over time, the small habits will add up to big results. Number two focus on quality. It's not just about how much time you put in it's about the quality of your effort. Stay focused and intentional with each rep. Drill or practice session. Quality effort over time builds mastery. Number three, hold yourself accountable. Track your progress and stay disciplined. Whether it's using a training journal or setting reminders on your phone. Find a way to keep yourself accountable to your routine. Remember success. Isn't a single event. It's the result of habits and routines. You develop along the way. So ask yourself. What kind of habits are you building today that will lead to the player you want to be tomorrow? Stay focused. Keep building those habits and watch your game. Go to the next level.
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So as a follow up to talking about Coach Tiffany there, I know he was your coach last year at UVA, and then he's coached you with the Haudenosaunee National Team. So tell us a little bit about what it's like to work with Coach Tiffany over the years. Yeah, it was fun. I, I think I can't remember what I told. I think the adult my younger days at Virginia, my freshman sophomore year. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the coach. I love coach Tiffany, but I don't know. It's like I would have been able to handle his style. You know what I mean? And my days, I needed that pampering from coach Darja and stuff, but as an adult, Darja was a real softie, huh? On me, he was and and my classmates joke about it too. And it was, it was funny. It was so funny. It was great times. But as an adult, like I learned, I think when my dad passed, I learned how to flip that switch to where. His, his side of me came out more. And so like, even when I play lacrosse now, so I didn't have that side of me when I was playing college, it was kind of like, Oh, you know, trying to get through school, everything's fun and games and, you know, playing the game is fun, but now it's like more so on a professional level. And then my, my, my dad's side came out of me more and then to where like. Now, like I'm just, I'm just, I got that old school mentality now when I play the game. And then I think I realized it was okay to play that way. You know, like like I, I play hard, I play tough, whatever's necessary. You know what I mean? If there's a close call to the boards, like I'm hitting you, right. Right. Getting a little more ruthless, huh? Yeah. I think that, that that's the, my dad's side came out of me more when I was older. So yeah, just so when stars. So I think Coach Tiffany, when he plays or when he coaches he's more I would say more cut throat to where, like, you know, get the job done. If you're not getting the job done, you're out. And I'm kind of the same way now, I think, because I feel like I know the game at the high level for in for both. So I'm like that competitive side is like, I don't know if coach stars ever, ever seen it, like to where, like, you know, I'm getting pissed now that someone's not doing their job. I'm getting pissed. Someone's not getting full effort as where I was in that guy in college that I am now. So I think when coach stars or when coach Tiffany was the coach at the world games and obviously the bolts are flying and, and things like, I'm like, He's, he's more so, you know, the chaotic two on the sidelines and the bolts are flying. Like, I'm like, pick guys in here that can get the job done. There are big guys in here that are going to fight and compete and fight hard and be a warrior. So I think that's where me and him kind of really related when it comes to lacrosse, like who are, who are the warriors? And That's what I, that's what I saw. Gotcha. Neat. And as we know, lax is going back to the Olympics in 2028. So I could ask both you and coach stars of this you know, it's going to be the sixes format. And what are your guys thoughts about that coming up and in the next three years? Yeah, I'm not, you know, I feel like you know, sort of whatever it took to get into the Olympics is okay with me I'm not a, I'm not a big fan of the sixes format. I just don't know that that game respects scoring enough. It makes it just makes scoring too easy. I think, I mean, how are you supposed to stop these guys? That you're covering Zed with a short stick, you know, open field and a six by six goal, you know You know, it's like box lacrosse on grass, except the goals are six by six and the goalies aren't padded the same way, you know, and so but, you know, it was the only way that the Olympics were going to approve the game, you know, because they, they wanted smaller rosters and they wanted smaller fields and So I don't harbor it. I don't begrudge anybody the fact that the sixes format. I just, I don't, I'm not wild about it myself, you know but but I think it's good for the sport overall because it just creates more visibility and more more and more eyeballs are going to are going to see the sport now. And Zed, how about you? What do you think? Yeah, I'm in the same boat pretty much. I think it's great for the sports. Great. Obviously I haven't given it much thought because I'm always like, all right, what my next season is the most important. So how do I get ready for that? I'm thinking I'm not full go on that mindset. But You know, hopefully I'm still around playing, but at the same time I think it's great for the sport to be recognized as an Olympic sport. And then I'm in the same boat. It's like, I don't know what all the rules and considerations were to get sixes in, but it's just another brand of lacrosse to the outside world. It's like, what's going on? Like, all right, we got box cross, we got field across now we got sixes. And like, I just think like to the outside world, it's like, what's going on with the lacrosse. So I think it just creates that confusion too, because I think people were already like, Oh, I love field lacrosse. Oh, this is box like, Oh, what is this now? And this is different and it's still across. So very box and field are so completely different games of lacrosse. I never played sixes, so I can't say what the game is like. So, but again, like if I'm around and I'm in. Good enough shape to play. I'm going to try out. And I say one thing too, Jay, is that I don't, I don't think it's been approved that the Haudenosaunee can compete as a separate nation yet in the Olympics. And I think that's going to be, that decision is going to be a critical one because if if they don't allow the natives to have a, have their own team I think the sport needs to consider Maybe not doing it at all, you know out of respect for the native roots of the game and stuff and so I think that that was still waiting to hear whether or not that's going to be approved. Yeah. It certainly takes on a lot more weight when this is where the game originated you know, as opposed to, let's say there was a basketball team or a football team or whatever, well, that's the origins of the sport of lacrosse are coming from this Haudenosaunee nation, and then we're not going to have them in the games. I think you're right. That could be the case. Could be boycotted. Now, Zed You know, you've been great in all these different versions of the game, all these different positions, and you know, you keep on kind of developing and excelling as the years are going by. What are your future goals in the sport of lacrosse? I'm just taking it year by year to be honest with you, Jay, like I don't look too far ahead. I don't think five years from now, I don't even think two years from now or what team I'll be on or this or that, like, or I'll be like, I just kind of, I know right now I started training camp for the Colorado Mammoth in October 31st. And that's, that's where my mind is like this. The PLL season, I, to be honest, I gave everything I had and came up a game short. Obviously disappointing, obviously, like you want to, you know, but I got to put it away for a little bit and, you know, just put my whole mindset on box so. And that's what I do. Because you got people, teammates, coaches, everyone relying on you to make sure you give everything you have now for this upcoming season for indoors. So I just, I'm taking it, I take it season by season, right? Well, that's probably best way to take it. Take it one day at a time. One game at a time. Great. Well, awesome. This has been fantastic. Did you have any other questions for Zed? No, not really. Like I say, I wanted to I'm really appreciative of hearing him talk about his experience at UVA. He and I have never really talked. Talked about that, you know I do feel like it was such a big decision for him to come and, and at the end of the day, you know, was it, was it worth your while, you know and it's nice to hear that I think that experience broadened his horizons and, and he, he's appreciative of, of, of all of that. Right. It was, that was very neat to hear, as he said, you know, just, you know, developing and growing, but then just being so much more comfortable you know, facing the rest of the, the world type of thing. He's a world class athlete and traveling the world with lacrosse. So it's amazing to hear. Yeah. I got, sorry, Jay, I got something I just wanted to say real quick just community standpoint. On the cataracters reservation, just because like it's, it's where I grew up, it's where I'm from and like all those, like when we're talking about my early days at Virginia, you know, trying to, in that transition period, going from the res to how do I make a new VA? I would like the, the, the hate I got from my own community, what made. I want to go home. If that makes sense to where I'm going home and facing that, but ultimately it made me stronger. Does that make sense? But at the same time, once I finally made it and then I came home and I was able to come home, like knowing I graduated, I made it through it when everyone said I wasn't going to make it excelled in lacrosse afterwards. I'm at a place now where I'm thankful for my community and what they blessed me with. And the people and I think learning how to forgive is, is very important, but at the same time, like like I am, the way I play in my game is from my community, is from my road, is from my family. So like all of it goes into the success that I've had, whether it's on or off the fields. Like, again, like I'm from Cattaraugus Reservation, I'm very proud of that. And I'll always be from there. And like, they helped me, you know, not come home. When the, when I had to face those tough challenges, I gotcha. I'm not quitting. There's no way. Yeah. I just wanted to make, I wanted to say it earlier, but I just wanted to make sure like, like my community knows that as well. Right. That's great. Awesome way to wrap it up. And you know, as Ed was saying, Dom, earlier, that he just has this sense inside himself that he can really take on any challenge. And if given the time, he's going to be able to overcome that adversity. So that's, that's just amazing. And just think how much you've transformed over the years and, and because it was such a difficult road. that difficult road just made your character that much stronger and challenged it that much more and you're that much more resilient for it. So that's, that's just awesome. Good stuff. Well, thanks so much guys. This has really been phenomenal. Thank you, Jay. Thanks for having me. Hey, you're welcome. And Dom, thanks for being the mystery guest. And I guess two for one, he got his call in. Is this counting as you calling me back to that or what? Right. I'll give you a call when the girls are screaming in the car at some point.
Ron:until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.