S2 E38. The Trials and Triumph Of PLL & NLL All Star, Zed Williams with HOFer Dom Starsia; A True Success Story, Part II.

In the latest episode of Lax Scoop podcast, host Jaybird (Jay McMahon) conducts an in-depth interview with PLL and NLL all-star Zed Williams. Joined by surprise guest and Hall of Famer Dom Starsia, the episode explores Zed's rediscovered passion for lacrosse, his experiences with his brother at the World Indoor Championship, and his unique journey in trying out for an NFL team. Delving into Zed's path from Silver Creek to the University of Virginia, highlights include his adaptation to college life, creating success both academically and athletically, and the significance of mental strength. With personal anecdotes and insights from coaches and supporters, the episode underscores the importance of mental mastery in sports and Zed's transformation into a professional lacrosse star.

00:00 Introduction to Lax Scoop Podcast
00:23 Meet the Hosts and Special Guests
00:59 Welcome Back: Interview Series with Zed Williams
01:33 Mystery Guest Reveal: Dom Starsia
02:44 Zed Williams' Lacrosse Journey
04:00 Zed's NFL Tryout Experience
06:54 Recruitment Memories: Dom on Zed
11:58 Transition to JML and Mindset Minute
13:06 Mastering Focus and Self-Awareness
14:00 Four Essential Tips for Athletes
15:33 Introduction to JML Courses
16:51 Exclusive Offers and Community Support
19:03 Interview with Zed Williams
21:32 Zed Williams' Journey and Reflections
29:13 Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode

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Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're on installment. Number two of our three part interview series with PLL and NLL. All-star Zed Williams with surprise guest, us lacrosse hall of Famer, Dom storages. If you have not listened to part one, we highly recommend you do. So as Zed did an amazing job discussing his origins in the sport of lacrosse and his time at university of Virginia. You'll find this interview starting up, right where the last episode left off. Enjoy.

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Oh, we got, sometimes we'll do a mystery guest. We got a mystery guest coming on for you here. Let's see who it is. Drum roll please. You gotta get a, get a chance to see Dom quicker than you thought. There he is. Hey, coach. How you doing? Oh, all the famer coming in here is our mystery guest. Here you go. Here we go. For me, you know, this is a very mixed thing here between Brown and Virginia, you know you know, I'll be, I'll be messing up those. I wore my Virginia shirt for the sake of the guest. There you go. I appreciate that. If need be said, I'm ready to go Brown with the hat. I can go both ways if I have to, you know, nice. Thanks. Yeah, it was just saying is like I need to talk to Dom. I owe him a phone call. So you do In a while. I talked to him sooner than you think Yeah Absolutely. Yeah, good to see you. Yeah, how you doing? I'm good. I can't film is good girls girls are they're, they're good six and three. So I'm in the middle of, I mean, you know, like is this youngest is a handful, but it's, I wouldn't change it for the world, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Non stop. I think you said, I wonder whether I wondered whether or not you were lacrosse. By the time those world indoor games were were coming to a close, you know between the last indoor season going right into the outdoor season and then and then playing in that indoor championship that's a, that's a lot of lacrosse for somebody who I never, you know, I never was absolutely convinced that lacrosse was your favorite sport, by the way, you know I actually always thought you were a basketball guy first and you know but you've been playing a lot of lacrosse over the last 12 months, I think. Yeah, definitely. But at the same time, I think I was telling, I was telling Jay, like, I think I found that love for lacrosse even more so, you know, when so probably around the time my dad passed and the time my daughter was born. I just kind of, kind of found a little bit more passion. I'm sure it was fun for you too in the indoor having Zach out there with you, you know. Oh, this, yeah, a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it was very fun. It was very, it was very good to play with him again. Yeah, that's great. People who don't know, I'll just throw out there that Zed was in the world indoor championship just a week or two ago, playing for Haudenosaunee national team. And it was, was it your brother was on the team as well? Yeah, he's two years older. Well, we're super close, super tight. And then obviously I went to college and we kind of got older and we're adults now with our own kids. So we don't really see each other a lot. So I had to be with him for two weeks and play lacrosse again with him for two weeks and compete again. That's awesome. And speaking of other sports, you had the opportunity to do what few lacrosse players have ever been able to do, and that is to go out and try out for an NFL team. And you did that just the past season, I guess at that spring camp. So tell us a little bit about how that came about and what that experience was like. Yeah, I mean, I think when Sarge just said, you know, you didn't think lacrosse was always my first love, it wasn't. We were always a football family. We always loved football. So football was always my first love in the sports world. And when I stopped playing, when I stopped playing, actually, my senior year, like there was always like, you know, just go to UV and play football or one of the small schools and play football. And then I was like, no, how can you not take the chance to go to Virginia and play lacrosse? You know what I mean? So but I always. Wanted to come back to it. Even when I was at Virginia, I would always watch football players. And I was always like watching practice and run. I'm just like, dude, I really think you can play with those guys. But obviously like. That's my mindset of like me thinking I can do anything again. And you know what I mean? So I don't know, but at the same time, like I just, that's always my mindset. And so anyways, you fast forward 2018, 19, I used to train Sean McDermott's son for lacrosse and and he was starting out. So just built a little relationship with Sean and then that ended, but Sean, always. Was super nice and super generous and always kept up with, I think, with my career. Always texting me and always giving me the good looks and good jobs and stuff, you know, kind of vice versa. But so I always knew him, like, he's a lot of, he has a lot of, like, friends with like, people in my family, good friends in my family, living in the Oaks Park area, so. I was just, I knew we were out of the playoffs with the Mammoth. I knew I always wanted to go back to football. You like, again, in my mind, I think I can, and reached out to him. I just kind of asked for an opportunity and said, yeah. So that's great. It was a quick, really day and a half. Fast. It was good. It was it was a lot of fun. It was great opportunity. I don't think before. Right. That's great. Now. How would you compare the athletes you ran into out at the Buffalo Bills camp there to the PLL and the and the NLL athletes? It was it was the rookie meeting camp. So there's all the rookies get players there and a lot of all the trial players. So, like, obviously it wasn't the top of the top. But at the same time, like, I thought I was fine and I thought a lot of the PLL players are just as athletic or gifted and look very, very much the same, I would say, except for the offensive lineman, of course, and the D lineman. Yeah, I remember Chris Hogan saying, saying the same. That's great. Now, Dom, tell us, you Zed here when he was in high school and you started recruiting him you know, tell us, you know, what your memories from back then, what do you remember? Yeah you know, the high school seasons go longer than the college seasons. And so when our season would end every year, I would go off and watch the guys that were coming to UVA the next fall, go out and watch them play. It was more of a courtesy, kind of thing. To the player and his family they could show me off to their friends and this and that. And we had a boy from Irondequoit high school who was coming to UVA Greg Kohalan, and he was playing in the state semifinals. And so I was headed up to the Rochester area to watch the state semifinals and. In New York State, there are three divisions, three games at each of these playoff sites. Now, I think there might be four now, actually, but there were three in those days. And you know, at that point, I've been coaching for 35 years, and I'll go out and watch the other games while I'm, while I'm there watching watching the good boy I came to see. And one of those six teams that was playing that day, I had never heard of before. And so I'm coaching for 35 years. I'm a New Yorker and how is it possible that there's a team in the state semifinals that I'd never heard of but I'd never heard of Silver Creek. And so I did a little investigating and you know, I, I found out that Silver Creek had this young player that had, you know, a bazillion points. And so I was intrigued, looking forward to watching them play. And so I went up there and the game that they played, I forget It was at Canandaigua or, or Jordan Elbridge or somebody that it was a state semifinals that Zedd was playing in and the other team had about 40 guys. They were all dressed in exactly the same clothes. They were in a straight line, warming up, you know, and then here comes Silver Creek around the corner. How many guys have dressed at 15 or 16 guys? Maybe some different color helmets, you know and so you're thinking what is going on here, you know, and so the game goes on kind of what you expect. I think it was like 11 to one at halftime. You guys were down. And so you thought that that was, you know, that's, that's probably how this was going to play out. Except I would also tell you that Zedd never came off the field. He took every face off, played man up, played man down, just stayed out there the whole time. And and then in the second half, Silver Creek made a, made a heck of a run in the game and close to within about Two goals, maybe, and I lost a close game in the end. The crowd was going crazy for Silver Creek and and Zed was this very impressive, I'll use the word elegant looking athlete, you know, on this field. And I called the coach the next morning and said tell me about Zed. And he said, well, I can't, I, you know, I don't know about fitting in Virginia or academically, but he's a great kid and blah, blah, blah. And we went on from there. And and so that was the his sophomore year, a sophomore spring, I believe, then his junior year, I sent. My longtime assistant coach up to Silver Creek, not to see Zed, but to go talk to the counselors and the teachers at school and find out you know what his academic background was and whether or not he could thrives, you know, thrive at at the University of Virginia. You know, my fear was that we were going to get involved with Zed and. And, and, but we want, I wanted to make sure that he had a chance to be a success both on and off the field. And and so again, Mark came back and said, hey, now I'm like, you know, nobody quite knows no one, the silver Greek has never said anybody in Virginia, but they love them, you know, and and so, as I recall, said, you came to visit, you get a short visit in in the spring or the winter of your junior year. And then you know, I went almost as soon as we were allowed. To make an off campus contact, I did a home visit and went to went to dinner summer before his senior year, went to dinner at Zed's house and met his family and and you know I remember calling, I came out of the house, Zed and I actually, I had dinner, it was delightful, and then we went on a long walk, actually, and had a chance to talk and You know, which was terrific. And I remember calling coach Van Arsdale after, after that visit and saying to him, Jesus, Mark, I think he wants to come, you know, and so it was a little scary because again, I, I wanted to be certain that, that said that this was going to be the right fit for Zed and that he had a, he had a chance to be successful and he came and visited with us all and, and it went off from there. And I remember right before the letters, Zed was going back and forth, you know, and And then right before the letters of intent were signed in the, in the fall of his senior year, I, I can remember saying to Zed, okay, Zed, it's time to make a decision here. We doing this or not, you know, and and he signed his letter of intent and came to Virginia. And as they say, the rest is history. He, And he did. It worked really hard. He worked really hard at UVA off the field, you know but did everything that the, the teachers and counselors asked him to do. I, I tell people he had a wonderful college playing career in lacrosse. Obviously an All American old conference. But he, he never quite, I don't think he ever quite. Got to what he could have done in college because we were asking so much else of him on the academic side of things, especially. And so he didn't have a lot of free time.

Jay: 11:55

How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here.

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This information today is brought to you from Brian Cain and his mental performance mastery course that I took it's for athletes and for coaches. And it's what I share with our players on the JML app

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I want to talk to you about something that separates good players from the great ones, and that is focus and self-awareness. These are two skills that will help you shine when it matters the most. Or the you're training on your own, a team practice or in a game, the ability to stay focused in the present moment and be aware of yourself. Is what will allow you to overcome challenges, setbacks, and pressure situations. Staying locked in on the moment and blocking out distractions is the key to performing consistently at your best. Here's why mastering focus and self-awareness is so important. Focus lets you block out distractions. In a game, there's always something going on. Crowd noise, pressure, mistakes, or thoughts about the score. When you can stay focused on what's in front of you and block out distractions, you play with more clarity and confidence. Self-awareness helps you adapt. During practice or game things, don't always go as planned. Maybe you're not playing your best or the team is struggling. Being self-aware means recognizing when something isn't working. Adjusting your mindset or adjusting your approach. And staying composed under pressure. This skill, lets you navigate adversity instead of letting it take you out of your game. Present moment. Focus helps you perform when it matters most. The best athletes are the ones who stay calm and focused in the biggest moments. When you focus on the process, that would be your next move. Your next pass. Your next play. You avoid overthinking and perform at your best when the pressure is on. Here are four tips to help you develop these skills. Number one, train with intention, whether you're training alone or with your team, make every rep count. Focus on each movement and skill you're working on training with focus helps you build the mental strength. To stay locked in during games. Number two, develop your pregame routine. Before practice or game, create a routine that helps you clear your mind and get into the zone. Whether it's breathing exercises, visualization, or listening to music, having routine will help you block out distractions. And step onto the field ready to perform. Number three, stay in the moment. Don't let mistakes or thoughts about the outcome of the game. Distract you and take away your focus, practice, bringing yourself back to the present moment. Practice on what you can control. Your effort, your decisions and your attitude. Number four, learn to reset. Self-awareness means recognizing when you're off track and being able to quickly reset. If you make a mistake or feel distracted, take a breath, refocus and get back to playing your game. Remember the players, you stay focused and self-aware under pressure are the ones who rise to the top. The more you train your mind to stay present and locked in the better you'll be able to perform consistently, even in the biggest moments. So let's work on building that mental strength, stay focused, stay aware and watch your game. Reach a whole new level.

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We'll return to our interview after a quick word from our sponsor J McMahon lacrosse.

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Folks, what

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PLL and NLL all-star Zed Williams has described

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is exactly why myself and Coaches Lars Tiffany and Kip Turner created the JML Courses. Because so many players out there, so many that I have coached, that coaches Tiffany and Turner, have come into contact with, are so close to getting what they need, but are not close enough. Players do need to play for a competitive club team and a high school, but that's not all. As highly successful coaches said, Players also need the skills, mindset, and lax IQ training that's going to elevate their game and take them to the next level.

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And as ed Williams just said, it took him years to figure out just what he needed to become successful. We've taken all that we have learned over the past 30 plus years and honed it down. Into manageable training sessions. So you can literally compress time

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And I would tell you one quick story is that he needed to pass statistics. You remember this? In order to graduate an exciting class. When I I heard he passed it. It was, I'm not sure I was happier when we beat Hopkins, you know, frankly, that was like a, maybe his junior year. And so with that, with that in hand he was going to be able to do what needed to do in order to graduate. And great joy to be a part of his career throughout. And I, you know, I've never been. I'm not, I don't know a lot of players that have been more, I've had a more impressive career in the sense of what was it being asked of them to do and what they were willing to do and, and pulling all that together was very, very impressive. That's great. That's awesome. I had already asked that what set coach Starsha apart from all these other college coaches who were so, you know, once he broke that record, everybody was calling him, you know, 11th grade in high school. And he said it was, you know, it was very different, you know, like your approach, you were caring about him as a person and you were connecting and he just had that feel. So it's no surprise to me, but it's, it's great to hear. Well, you know, it's funny, you know, you you know a young man from Silver Creek, from the reservation, you know, coming to the University of Virginia with our blue blazers and our corduroy pants you know, the fraternity and stuff, you know, that was a, that was a huge leap for Zed, you know you know, who was, you know, I think, The native culture is such that there's so, there's such a strong family attachment that it's hard, you know, it's hard to leave and, and go off to college you know, so I remember asking Zed at Zed's graduation, I was at Zed's graduation, I asked one of his brothers, I said, did you ever have a hard time getting Zed to come back to Virginia after one of the vacations? And this brother said to me, Every time down, you know, and so, you know, but but he always came, I would tell you, frankly I, I think he would, I don't think he would disagree with this. If we had after a vacation, let's say it was Thanksgiving or Christmas break and we have a meeting at 3 30 Zed, if Zed walked in the door before 329, I would have been surprised. And he was, he was, and it was one of those things where there are certain guys, you're always looking around. Oh, they're here, you know? And Zed would Zed would make me hang on until the very last moment in almost every instance. Is that right, Zed? Yeah. Yeah. Probably getting stuff done before the meeting, right? Can I ask a question, Jay? Sure. Zed, tell me, what was the, what was it like, what was the value of going to UVA? Would you look back at that as, as, as important years in your life? Yeah, I think, like, obviously, like, I think I text you and, you and Coach Van all the time, kind of this, how you guys changed my life. But, like, ultimately, you know, it saved my life, too, because When I look back at a young myself out of high school and then going in, going through those early stages of college, like just how much I didn't know about the outside world off the reservation. And just as crazy, it blows my mind, like how much I didn't know. And like obviously going to Virginia like coming from where I came from, obviously you have all these, like, within our territory. These like, he's like little, you know, beefs and stuff like this. And, you know, always sticking together with my family. Like, I like, I remember a younger Zed that you probably didn't even know coach that, that was comfortable around my family. And this, you know, this tough, you know, sort of like want to be gangster like Zed. And at the same time, going to Virginia, getting totally shell shocked, like, alright, where am I? This is totally not my comfort spot, like, being totally uncomfortable to, you know, learning to adapt in that situation. And you talk about the, the, the, the, the boat shoes and the khakis and the, the bike. And, you know, it took me a couple of months and, you know, hanging out with Luke and memories and Jackson, you know, borrow a shirt and, you know, I'm, I'm going to the bus on a false scrimmage, wearing the same stuff and, and enjoying it because of, you know, that crew I was with were such great friends and great family that like, I had to learn how to trust them and it wasn't easy. Like it took me a while to finally let my guard down. And open up to those guys. And then once I did, you know, it was just kind of like, I did that much better in college because of who my new family was and it was hard to let my family go, it was hard to like, I grew up with such close brothers, such close knit, and it was fine to like, to turn the page and like, okay, that, that life you had is over those childhood friends. You had like, I haven't hung out with them since then. So it's like, it was tough to turn that page and build that trust with these guys. Like, all right, do I trust these guys? Do I, you know, do I let them into my, into my life? Do I let them in like that? Like, let, do I let them know the real Zad? And Joe French would tell you any day, like he was like, I know the real Zad Williams and when he says that, like, I know exactly what he means. Cause he actually knows who I really am, you know, on a comfort level. So it took me a while to do that. And then, you know, fast forward to after college and now, like, I just think I Professional career to be a professional, all this certain things, do things the right way work hard even when things are so tough, like how are you going to fight through it? So it, it just helped my, my, my life out tremendously. I can go on and on, whether it's like the academic side of it, like how I grew as a person just knowing how to challenge These younger kids now, especially, I got a lot of nephews coming up and, you know, I want them to be better than me. I want them to be better lacrosse players than me. I want them, you know, ultimately their choice. But I just want them to know like how much life is off the res that you can have or you can strive for and always go back. I don't live on my res now, but when I go back, it's such a, you know, it's, it's such a like. Heartwarming. Every time, because every time I go on that road where I grew up, it's just kind of, I need that sometimes too. I need to, I need to be like reminded of where I came from and RZ, especially in the crossroad, RZ, you know, it's time to get back to hitting the road, start running the road again, start running this hill that you grew up running. So but at the same time, like it's always going to be there for me. And so. Just what, what Coach Stars and Coach Vance started. And, you know, hopefully, you know, I pass on to these kids. Just want them to know that there's so much more to life. Because I'm not saying every life, like, because I look at my brother Zach, for example, and my other brother's like, dude, they're happy. They have wives and kids and you know, they work on the nation. But I'm not saying my life is any better than theirs. But at the same time, they're happy. I just want kids to know, like, that there's other options as well because when you look down the res, there is depression, there is alcoholism, there is, you know, marijuana and like, like all that stuff leads to other drugs, you know, the more sitting or sitting around you do on the res. So I just think the coach man, coach stars are from the second I met them. They understood that part of it the most. That's great. That's awesome. And, you know, a lot of times you hear Coach Tiffany always referring to his group as the men, and I always think a freshman coming in, they're really just boys, maybe senior boys, but it's boys to men. And it sounds like you really made that transition, you know, while you're at UVA. So that, and Dom, could you see that from Zed? Naturally, he's coming from his high school, from the reservation, coming to UVA, and over four years, did you just see like real transformation taking place? Yes. Well, his answer to that question that we just asked was probably more words than he spoke in his first two years in Charlottesville, you know you know, absolutely. You know, I'm a, I'm a sort of a boy's guy. That's how it comes out of my mouth. I don't, you know, I know what Lars does and just the difference in language for the most part. I think our intent is basically the same you know, but I guess, like I said, I, I don't think. I don't think anyone in my 42 years coaching college athletics and college sports, I don't think anyone came as far from making a decision to attend a college to walking in graduation than Zed Williams did, you know, and that's, I had early concerns about whether or not I was doing the right thing by encouraging him to leave home, leave that community that is so tight and, and trust us at UVA. You know, I wanted to. There was no way to guarantee that it was going to be, it was going to be a successful run, but but he came and you know, again, he did everything everybody asked, you know, I mean, if you needed to find Zed, you found him buried in study hall, you know, in the, in the basement of the JPJ and you know when I had a chance late in his senior year around graduation to run into some of the drama professors and some of the people that, that took the time to get the nose ed you know, the way that I feel like I did they felt the same way, you know, they just, this was a young guy that you really wanted to be, you wanted to have him be successful. You want to give him the tools to be able to do that. You know, how can I help you make this happen? Because he was so anxious to to, to, to make it happen for himself, you know? And so You know, over the course of a long career again, I don't know that there's ever been anything more fulfilling than being being at Zed's graduation from the University of Virginia. That's awesome. And and then tell us what it's been like to watch him develop as a pro, because we were talking earlier. And he was saying he could really focus on his game so much naturally as a pro, where he had so many balls in the air there at UVA, you know, with academics and whatnot. And but he really exploded on the scene in that 2020 season with the PLL and he's been a superstar ever since. So, you know, tell us about that.

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to hear how the great Zed Williams became the MVP of the PLL, that PLL attack man of the year and a PLL champion with the whip snakes all in his first year with the league tune in next week.

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until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.