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Brown Lacrosse alum & three-time All American, Jay McMahon with fellow Brown Lax alumnus and co-host Ron Dalgliesh (aka The Big Dawg), shine a light on the best practices for boys and girls who are looking to grow and develop as players in the exciting sport of lacrosse, a.k.a. “The fastest game on two feet.” They receive creative direction from their chum and Brown Lax alum Steve Gresalfi. Together, with their guests-some of the biggest names in the game- they explore the often acknowledged but rarely examined deep bonds formed by coaches, players, and parents in the fascinating game of lacrosse.
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S2 E36. Flipping the Script: Origins & Evolution of Lacrosse for Big Dawg & Jaybird, Part III.
In this episode of the Get the LAX Scoop podcast, hosts Ron 'Big Dog' Doish and Jay 'Jaybird' McMahon discuss the spirit of lacrosse and anecdotes from their collegiate careers. Integral to the podcast are the discussions around various charitable organizations they support, including Harlem Lacrosse and the Four the Future Foundation, which aim to uplift youth through lacrosse. The hosts also introduce new lacrosse training opportunities through the JML Skills program. Additionally, they reflect on college recruiting, the significance of team dynamics, and inducting teams into the Brown University Athletic Hall of Fame. The podcast concludes with viewer mail questions that evoke light-hearted banter about their athletic achievements and offer insights into Brown's new head lacrosse coach, Jon Torpey, anticipated to significantly shape the program. The episode aims to engage listeners with intriguing conversations, charitable causes, and lacrosse insights.
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00:23 Meet the Hosts and Special Guest
01:00 Flipping the Script Series Finale
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07:39 The Origins of Get the LAX Scoop
10:06 Viewer Mail and Fun Stories
14:59 JML Courses and Offerings
24:58 New Head Coach and Future Hopes
31:25 Closing Remarks and Sign Off
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It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level
MacBook Pro Microphone:hello everyone. And welcome to the third and final installment. Of our flipping the script series. And this interview. Our roving reporter, Steve He comes in studio and turns the tables on Jaybird and the big dog with a continuous stream of intriguing questions. If you have not listened to the first two sessions, we highly recommend you go back and do so. As both episodes were mighty and lightening, you will find this session starting up, right where our last installment left off. Enjoy.
And as a follow up, I know JML donates funds each year to a few nonprofit organizations. Would you like to tell us a little bit about that? Sure. Yeah, for one of them is Harlem lacrosse, which I know you guys are involved with too. And dog, why don't you tell everybody about the Harlem lacrosse? Cause I do a few other ones. So why don't you tell them about Sam Jackson and, and Harlem lacrosse and how we help out with them. Yeah. I mean, Harlem lacrosse is an amazing organization that uses lacrosse to really help support the education of young people. They actually place teachers, mentors who are lacrosse coaches into inner city schools in five areas across the country. And then, you know, really use lacrosse as a motivating force for those kids. And they have an amazing track record of getting kids from schools that have You know, low graduation rates and low percentages of kids who are going on to college and getting those kids into college, some of them getting them placed in independent schools or boarding schools or prep schools. And so our, our buddy and teammate Sam Jackson Who's been a teacher up in Vermont. He annually hosts a lacrosse camp at his boarding school up in Vermont for Harlem lacrosse kids out of there in their Boston program. And you know, a couple of, Other teammates of ours Jay Stalford and J. P. Williamson annually put up a financial challenge to other Brown lacrosse teammates to make that possible for those kids. And I know, I think all three of us have supported that over the years. And You know, I know the other, the other, you know, there's a lot of Brown connections with Harlem lacrosse because Dom has been, was a really instrumental board member in the growth of Harlem lacrosse, Jeff Hacker, who was an alum of Brown from the early eighties, went on to be a longtime assistant coach at Yale, his family has a a summer camp. Up in Maine and he, he does something similar to Sam at the end of the summer. Once his campers have left his summer campers have left, he has a bunch of Harlem lacrosse kids up there. And of course, a great Brown goalie, Mike Levin is now the CEO of Harlem lacrosse. So it's a really special organization and I encourage any of our listeners to check it out. And they, they are also huge players in growing. Our sport in terms of the diversity of the game. So. A lot of great stuff at Harlem lacrosse. Excellent. One of the other organizations that we've done a little donation to, I'm going to show the helmet up here. We'll put this on YouTube, but this is for the future foundation and it's the number four for the four Thompson brothers. So the Thompson Brothers run this organization, and it's geared towards helping indigenous youth and other underprivileged people you know, kind of get exposure to lacrosse really emphasize that. Student athlete type of balance and just a really good organization. So we'll put the show notes down the link about that. And then a third that I've just recently got involved with is 15 for life and that and just to back it up a little bit with the for the future foundation, one of our alumnus, Sean Stolfer, had a great event out of his house about two years ago, and they did an auction. And that's how this is, was My contribution was to get this great helmet that's signed by the Ford Thompson Brothers. And so they do events like that. They do a golf event to fundraise. And then they also have a situation where you can donate, say, 50. And they must be chipping in some because they are able to get a player stick and other equipment just with a 50 donation. So again, that's the For the Future Foundation with the Thompson Brothers. And then This other organization is called 15 for Life, and it's from Rob Cavavit. You know, Rob Cavavit was a great attackman for Syracuse and played with Paul Karkatera, and he unfortunately ended his own life in March of 2021, and Left behind you know, two sons and his wife, and that whole organization is geared towards, they call it mental matters, and just really trying to get awareness on mental health out to players. You know, a lot of, you know, guys like us who are just, you know, gung ho playing sports. You know, there's, you know, they try to, they say, eliminate any kind of stigma or shame around, you know, having any type of mental health issue. So, it's a really good organization. We saw John Tillman up at Lake Placid, and I know his Maryland Terrapins are involved with it. I talked to him about it a little bit. And the way I got involved was they'll send you these decals, and you can talk to youth lacrosse players, you know, if they're, if you're coaching them, or if, or if it's, you know, A player's parent who's listening to us now, you can get these decals for free from them and just talk about they have a whole little breakdown on their website about how to just kind of open a dialogue and make sure that, you know, players on a team know that. You know, you're going to be there for him if needed. You know, my brother in law lost his life to suicide as well. And it's just something that can really tear a family apart. So, you know, these are just really good organizations. I know university of Maryland, as I mentioned, as well as Johns Hopkins university Syracuse university and Michigan are all involved in this. And I remember one game John Tillman it might have been when they played Michigan had the 15 for life t shirt on and it helped promote the cause you can do that with a high school team also So again, we'll put that in the show notes And something you can learn more about and something that helps just kind of strengthen our communities All right outstanding. Those are all very worthwhile charities I think we're going to begin to wrap up the interview here. Jay Ron, Jay's interested in in approaching you as far as you know, we've, we've heard, and most of this is conjecture and pure speculation, but it's been widely reported in national news outlets that you and I were approached to start a podcast back in the fall of 2022. So tell us, How this get the lax scoop show came about and why you've been heavily involved in it since day one I I can just speak for myself that Back in the day, I went on a pledge trip with Jay and he's got some very compromising photos of me, so that explains my involvement. I still have those photos. Of course. I'm happy to do it. Duplicate. I'm happy to do it. I'm blinking. SOS tell me. Yes. Steve, I think we're all happy that we grew up before the age of cell phone photography. Well, I remember being on a ride home from work one night and my good friend Jay McMahon calling me and saying, dog, I wanna start a lacrosse podcast. And I think you would be a tremendous co-host. Did I say that? Well, whether you said it or not, thank God you recruited me. So there's some on air talent on this fricking thing. somebody who brings a little energy and enthusiasm. You know, can one of us has something other than just read questions off a sheet off a script. Jay can actually engage our guests. Well and I remember vividly saying to Jay that, well, Jay, that sounds like fun. And as you know, unlike you, I'm not semi retired doing this lacrosse skills training thing. I have a job and it's Out of school and my schedule is fairly full, but Jay, I will get on the air and do these podcasts, but I will do nothing else. I will not do, and ever since then, upheld that part of your bargain, nothing else, you have, you have kept criticizing. You have constantly tried to extend my contract beyond what I agreed to. And I have resisted. Not lately, I figured it out. I needed your help in the beginning and it just wasn't there but kind of like getting thrown out of the nest I had to fly. I figured it out All right. All right. So you guys made a mistake and started a big group chat this morning. Before you asked me to to host today's, episode so i'm going to take my host hat off and go back to the humble correspondent part of Email and we're going to go into viewer mail and most of these were sent in with requests for anonymity You So anonymity, anonymity. And amenity. Nice. A sea anemone. So, Ron, in your first football game on College Hill, the Brown Bears tied the Yale Bulldogs 24 to 24. They sure did. After that game, you lost nine in a row and finished your three year varsity career with four wins, 25 losses, and one tie. Oh, that side is 2020. But in retrospect, in retrospect, do you think you guys should have celebrated that tie a little bit more than you actually did? Steve, it's, it's funny you bring that up because that really was, that tie really was the highlight of my Brown football career. I, I, and there were such high hopes. And because that game, this was before ESPN showed like big time college football, they show the Ivy League game of the week. So my first college game as a sophomore on varsity, because back then there was freshman football. So my first college game was a live national broadcast. On ESPN because it was on ESPN like there was a big crowd. It's a beautiful saturday Yale was like the ivy favorites Brown was coming off a year, the year before they were seven and three and lost to Harvard 1914 for the Ivy title. So I'm like, this is going to be incredible. And I played in that game. I knocked the Yale quarterback out of the game for a series. I freaking rushed him along the sidelines. And, you know, we tie Yale and I'm like, holy shit, we're good. Like this was awesome. And I'm getting calls from friends and relatives. Hey, we saw you play. I'm like, this is big time. Didn't win a fricking game the rest of the way. Just, I will you start off undefeated. So it's a, you know, it was a good first game. I remember John Rosenberg, the football coach who is, who was a protege of Joe Paterno and coach with Paterno at Penn state the next year. He, we had had two terrible years in a row. And we're in the Sunday night meeting where you're doing film and starting to put the game plan in for the next week. And we're going into the Dartmouth week, which is second to last game. And our defensive coordinator put in a blitz package that was called fire. And in front of the whole team with two games left, Rosenberg gets up and goes excuse me. Could we not use any things like fire or fired this week? I think that's the last thing I want to hear. Now you're a freaking football player getting ready for a game and your coach is just like, basically like I'm getting fired. Can you not remind me? And yes, he was fired. Right. All right. We're going to call this package shit can. All right. That's hilarious. All right. So Jay, this next viewer question comes to you. Jay, be honest here. Did Darren Lowe pass you the ball as much as he should have? Absolutely not. Great question. Glad you're bringing that up. It's funny. You know, in high school, a good friend of mine and teammate was Mickey Cavote and he played a lot like Darren and we were looking at schools together and I was like, boy, I hope he doesn't come to Brown because I need someone who actually passed me the ball. Who's a big, big time ex attackman and feeder. And then who shows up at Darren Low? And no, they don't pass you the ball enough. They have the ball in their stick a lot. But, you know, those, those guys kind of like the way Grant Ament played at Penn State. They make the whole team better, but everybody gets the ball evenly, which is no fun for me. Or Towers. He didn't like it either. Oh God. Grisalfi, you remember listening to this? I mean, nothing to listen to. Darren just won't pass me the ball. He won't pass me the ball. Then Andy. Give it to me. No, give it to me. Jay can't finish. I'll finish everyone. Give it to me. It was actually fun to watch Darren, Andy, and Jay just kind of like managed possession. Manage each other. Look at each other and then not see them and turn around sometimes. It's just amazing they didn't strangle each other. You did more than one ball. It's that simple. Oh boy. I was like, out of the frying pan, into the fire. I'm like, oh my gosh. After I was a freshman, here comes Darren. He's like, he's just like Mickey.
Jay:How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that.
Folks, what Coaches Murphy and Kolbeck have described
MacBook Pro Microphone-7:In a previous interview, just a few episodes ago.
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We're giving our listeners an opportunity to get our program and there's live coaching support on the platform along with the pre recorded sessions. And we have a community of like minded individuals who are taking the journey with you and who can help you be accountable and get the most out of the process. You can do the training at any time you'd like. And we do advise though, as coaches Murphy and Colbeck mentioned that you follow the weekly workouts and then repeat that three to four times per week. This is for attackmen, long poles and goalies. Now you'll hear a little more about our offer. Big additions to the JML course catalog. Now we have a defenseman's course taught by none other than UVA head coach, Lars, Tiffany, and a goalie course taught by former two-time All-American and UVA assistant coach kept Turner. The best time of year to improve your game. And that's why we are making this special offer. So jump on it now because it won't last for long. 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Big discounts on the JML online courses and merchandise from our new online store go ahead and check out the links in today's show notes. We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in Oh, no. I'll turn this Jay into a, into a positive actually, like that was why we won the, I mean, you mentioned those three guys who are three of the, you know, most incredible offensive players of their era and all of them wanted the ball in their stick when it mattered. You know, they all have the confidence that, Hey, when it matters, I want that shot. And like, that's the difference, right? We talked about earlier, what does it take? Well, it takes guys that have that kind of competitive. I mean, like, that's like what you hear about Michael Jordan, right? Like, no, get me the ball. Right. And so, right. I mean, as much as it drove guys like Steve and I out of our minds, it's a, it's a winner mindset. You know, if you're an offensive player, that's what you have to have. I can't believe I'm throwing Jay these compliments. I'm going to, I'm going to learn to regret it. I think. All right, Ron, we'll fix that with the next question here. It goes Ron, you were inducted into the Brown University Athletic Hall of Fame as a member of the 1991 lacrosse team that went 13 And I can ask myself the same question, but do you think your presence there diminishes the Brown Athletic Hall of Fame a little bit, and maybe even the whole university in general? Well, I know this, it burns Jay's ass to no end, but I am a fellow Hall of Famer, I'll tell you that right now. Look at him, look at him, his face is turning red right now. It's a hilarious question. There's nothing that makes me happier than to call Jay a fellow Brown Hall of Famer. And Steve, you know, it's nice to have you in the club. I was going to wear the inductee pin that they gave us that night, but I couldn't find it. How great would that be, Ron? I'm gonna have to wear that to the Brown golf outing this year. Just wear my Hall of Fame inductee pin. Nothing that drives Jay crazier. Ron, that's not true. You don't know the real me. I like to share the wealth. Jay as an, as an actual individual member of the Brown Athletic Hall of Fame who got in on your, on your merits you know, what are, what are your thoughts about the team getting in and, you know and, and you know, this year is the year that we have another teammate of ours, Oliver Marty, getting inducted. That's right. Tell us about your feelings about being a being inducted into the hall of. That was great. It is definitely a huge honor. And with that initial question, though, with the team, you know, I do like to play it up with Doug, the selfishness and all that, because it just gets them so worked up. But especially being a coach of like these kids, you realize how important the whole team is. Like if the whole team isn't trying in practice, then the whole team's not going to get any better. You know, whether the guys are starting or not, you know, whether guys are playing the game called Dom or not, I'm not sure if that's getting the team better, but it's, it's good for morale. You know, the whole team needs to play hard during practice. Steve, dude, let's reveal the game of Dom, which I'm not sure we have done that before that you would play. You know, it's a game that started in Limburg and we used to play it in the library and I don't want to tell you what it was called because it's not, it's not for, for general audiences, but one, you know, one player of the game will mention, will scream a word out and the next person has to do it a little bit louder, no matter how ridiculous it is. The actual word is you know, the game isn't ended until somebody's too chicken to, to, to yell the word out. So, and sometimes in practice we would, we would play Dom. It would start with just somebody saying Dom, and then the next guy in turn would have to say it a little bit louder until. Certain parts of practice, you hear a guy crossing the corner of the field, just yelling Dom at the top of his lungs. And you knew if it was your turn next, that was going to be a tough one to beat. Right. One time you or McGovern or Rhodes was right behind me and you screamed it. And Dom turned so quickly and he looks right at me. And I was just like, I almost shook my head like, no, I didn't do it. That was the cagey move was to throw your voice. Oh, that was how you got, that was how you got good at that game. By the way, there's nothing, nothing more annoying than a bored Steve Grisalfi at a lacrosse practice. Watch out. I mean, you're leaning on your stick and he whacks the stick off. I mean, that's a disaster. That's on you. You're gonna lean on your stick. Come on. That's too easy. All right. So just leg whipping people for the heck of it too. Like, who cares? Like, there's no penalties in practice. I can leg whip you. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's good. It's called good defense. Ron. All right. This next question goes to you. You won contributed most to team. For the brown lacrosse team twice. So in your own words, what exactly did you contribute? It seems like maybe jay wrote that question I remember when I won that award Ron don't bring it back to me steve wrote. I remember when I won that award my senior year at the awards ceremony Jay was halfway out to accept the award And had to like, turn back and look at me, look at me, ruefully, he was going this way, and I was going back up that way. Well, I think my friend Jay said that it takes a team, it takes contributions from everyone, and I like to say that my passion and my enthusiasm My desire for us to be successful was clearly recognized by the coaching staff, if not my talent. Okay. Alright, so Jay, I have say Dom. Dom Char did stand by his decision to give dog that a word on this show. Yeah, we did. We corrected, we peeled the process and we were overturned. I got pushed back into my seat once again. I think, I think we can all agree that one of the greatest coaches in the history of our game is a very wise man. Who understands what it takes to build championship teams and recognize players as such Okay. All right. So part b of this question is jay as somebody who Contributed many, many goals and assist and many ground balls to the team for those years off. What are your thoughts about Ron receiving this award? Well, if it's the best thing for the team, then I'll go with it. But did you hear how hard that was for him? I thought he was going to turn into the Incredible Hulk there. He's still so angry. No anger. All right. Well, we'll wrap up this viewer mail with the last one, and it is a more serious one, and maybe both of you guys can chime in. What are your first impressions of new head coach Torpy, and what are your hopes and expectations for the Brown Bears lacrosse program in the near future? Good question. I friggin love the guy. I love the communication. I love the tone that he's setting and you know, I love what Dom said too. Like this guy's a brown guy, he's a worker, you know, and that's what this program's always been about. It's always been about work and camaraderie and, and he is clearly working his ass off. on the recruiting trail and he's focused in the right way, you know, I mean, quite frankly, I love that. He told the alums, don't expect to hear from me because I got work to do on the recruiting trail to recruit players. You know, I love that. And and he's also reached out to the alums right away about wanting our help and wanting us to engage in terms of supporting the players in their career development. And so. And look, the guy has proven in a program that's not easy to recruit and win, you know, he's put teams together that have beaten some of the best programs in the country. Now, having said all that, let's get back to what we were talking about before. It's not going to freaking happen overnight. Right. Exactly. And so we've got a, as a Brown lacrosse alumni community, give him steadfast support. Keep your pie holes shot. If you're not going to say anything supportive, we've got to get behind this guy. We've got to get behind this guy, get behind the kids and do what he needs to to be successful. Whatever he asks for. For how long? Let's do it for him. For how long? Look, as long as it takes. How long? As long as it takes Jay. That's the answer. I think you're hundred percent right. It takes because he's the guy, like, honestly, you look across the college lacrosse landscape, he's the guy and if it's not gonna work with him, it's probably not gonna work. Honestly, he's, he's not gonna leave any stone unturned. As far as recruiting's concerned. And he's a high energy guy. I know a few of his alumni here in the Richmond, Virginia area who played Frame High Point and absolutely love the guy. And he's, you know, one of those classic guys who's not just building great lacrosse players. And it's not just a cliche. He's building great men, you know, and I just can't think of a better person in college lacrosse to take this job. And let's face it. It's not an easy job. No. Right. Dom Storger was there for 10 years. He won two Ivy league championships. That's it. Right. So if he, if we give him you know, I'd like to see something before 10 years, but I guarantee you, if we give him three to four years, We're going to see something really significant happen. So I'm excited for Brown. I'm excited for him. And as Ron said, he said, you know, you know, I'm super busy and I know dog reached out to him and say, congrats coach and coach Torpey did not get back to him, but he did get back to me, even though I told him not to. So that's pretty exciting. I'm fired up. He's like, Jay, I've heard of you. You got a great reputation and you know, you're tremendous, whatever, whatever, I hear it all the time. But. But yeah, he he is so busy and yet he gets right back to me. So it's despite despite that error and judgment by coach torpey I'm fully supportive of everything that he's doing I also think I also think we got him on the show, right? Well, we will we will I I also think It's a really exciting time for Brown Athletics. We've got a great athletic director. You know, the outgoing Chancellor Sam Mankoff is a huge proponent of athletics, as is the incoming Chancellor Brian Moynihan. President Paxson has really stepped up and given Brown Athletics the resources they need to be successful. So, Like, I think it's our job as alums to, to answer the call and do everything we can because we, you know, as our football team did well, basketball team did well, the soccer teams are doing well. Yeah. It's all the sports are turning around. So lacrosse has got to be the next one. Women's team was doing better last year. So, yeah, Ron, speaking of doing everything we can as alumni you know, does, does to, does Coach Topi know how important it is to have that alumni parking lot cheering section behind the opposing goalkeeper and, you know, are, are you gonna be able to maintain that crew and, and contribute like you have in years past? That's a huge and important question. Great call, Grisalfi. Well, I think as was shown the last time that Brown made the NCAA, or I think it was the last time we hosted the Ivy Championship tournament, that ESPN had a statistic that the Brown the goal scoring average when Brown is coming towards the parking lot is almost two goals more per quarter. Then at the opposing end. So there's now friends, statistical evidence of the impact that I and my friends in the parking lot make on a game. And so my, my Clary, taking credit, everyone, Dave Evans is there with like 10 other people. And Ron, I mean, come on, Ron, it's a team effort. There is a team there, but again, Jay, since you're not often there ever, you don't actually know who's there. And Dave Evans has rarely been there because as you know, he's coaching LaX, which keeps him quite busy in the spring. Now, there is a rumor that I'm not certain that I'm allowed to disclose because of NCA rules that David Evans may be a very frequent attendee in that parking lot. In the years to come, but that that is for others to share that news, but I'll just I'm going to tease that Jay. That's called a teaser. Ooh. In the business. Nice tease, Ron. Very nice. Why would it be that Dave Evans would have an extreme interest in attending Brown lacrosse games? I think I know. Am I allowed to say or not? I don't know that we are because I haven't seen it posted anywhere. So it's not our news, but I'll just say that I think it might be an early feather in Coach Torpey's cap. I'll just put it that way. Nice. Excellent. I thought I did see it posted, but hey, go ahead. Maybe it was my intuition. Well, he'd be a welcome addition to any alumni parking lot scream fest. Right, Ron? As would his offspring on the field. Yes, which I thought I saw posted somewhere, but maybe I imagined it. That'd be sweet. All right, Jay. Well, that wraps up the viewer mail. Fantastic. Well, guys, this was a tremendous outing for the Get the Lack Scoop podcast. Thank you, staff. gentlemen, friends, family, for being here tonight. Hopefully this will be one of our best and most listened to episodes. Of all time. Well Steve, Steve, there's no doubt that an episode that Jay will enjoy the most is one where he talked a lot. And so I, I don't think there's any doubt that Jay's going to appreciate and enjoy this episode. Nothing worse than guests who don't give long answers with lots of flavor. So that's what I was going for. And thank goodness I can edit this as much as I see fit. Well, Jay, you're nothing if not flavorful. Well, we're all about content creation. So you know, that's right. Call me Flavor Flav. All right. Signing off
Ron:until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.