S2 E35. Flipping the Script: Origins & Evolution of Lacrosse for Big Dawg & Jaybird, Part II.

In this special episode of 'Get the LAX Scoop,' hosts Big Dog (Ron Doish) and Jaybird (Jay McMahon) take the hot seat as they are interviewed by Steve Gresalfi. The episode details the hosts' illustrious lacrosse careers, from their humble beginnings and high school achievements to their collegiate successes at Brown University. Big Dawg and Jaybird share personal anecdotes about influential figures, the early days of the sport, and the evolution of lacrosse training and recruiting. Alongside entertaining tales, the hosts discuss the innovative JML Courses, aimed at elevating the next generation of lacrosse players with skills, mindset, and IQ training. The episode wraps up with fond memories and a call to lacrosse enthusiasts to join their JML community.

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00:28 Meet the Hosts: Big Dog and Jaybird

01:04 Special Guest: Steve Grisolfi Takes Over

02:05 Steve Interviews Jaybird and Big Dog

08:20 Jaybird's Lacrosse Journey

10:14 Big Dog's Lacrosse Journey

18:56 The JML Lacrosse Program

22:25 College Lacrosse Recruiting Insights

28:00 Memories and Reflections

32:47 Conclusion and Sign-Off

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It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level Hello everyone and welcome back to the show! As our title says we've flipped the script as our esteemed colleague, Steve Gresalfi, is interviewing myself and Ron the big dog Dalgliesh. If you haven't heard part I of this series, we highly recommend you go back and do so as we think you will find it was as delightful as it was insigtful. You'll find this episode picking up right where we left off last time. Enjoy!

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And welcome back to the show. As our title says, we flipped the script and our esteemed colleague, Steve Is interviewing myself and Ron, the big dog Douglas, if you haven't heard part one of this series, we highly recommend you go back and do so as we think you will find it as delightful as it was insightful. You will find this episode picking up

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right where it left off last time. Enjoy.

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But I think we, what did we lose? 18 to 12. And that was the closest anyone came to him in the playoffs. I think they won the national title 21 or 22 to nine. Yeah. And it wasn't that close. And so, I mean, that just shows you, you know, we may have been the second best team in the country that year. Right. But but, but that, I remember that experience as like, while they beat us, you're like, Hey, we're fricking good. You know? And I think in some ways that playoff win and even that loss to Syracuse emboldened our senior class. And the guys who were coming back that next year to feel like, Hey, there's nothing we couldn't accomplish. And to have an undefeated regular season and the highest national ranking in the school's history and, and to host a home playoff game. I mean, it was, It was just a lot of fun. And thinking about Dom back then, you know, he was like 35. Yeah. He's 20 years younger than we are now. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Tell us about some of your fondest memories of playing for Dom Stardew up in Providence. Well as dog was saying, when I think back to that, that freshman year, I thought that team was super talented. Team that had a lot of depth. I mean, two really solid midfields, really good D middies, you know, Bill McComas was a first team All American easily on defense. He's just chewing up the best attackman in the country and you know, solid attack unit. And as Ron said, it came down to that Cornell game and to back it up even before that, though, that, that Brown team in 88, they were, you know, naturally three out of the, I was going to almost said there's four teams in the final four. We know that we got crushed by Syracuse, but the other three teams we had played that were in there and we lost to two of them in overtime and one of them by one goal, you know? So, you know, tying two of those teams of regulation, which was UVA. And, and core and Cornell. And then we lost to Penn in regulation 10 the pouring rain, but that team was so talented and it did come down to that last game. And if Cornell did not win that game, they would not get in the playoffs and they went to the finals. So that was incredible. And just such a battle, two veteran teams. I mean, we had a lot of seniors on our team and so did they, Tim Goldstein Bill McCombs covering him. I mean, it was like definitely two legends going at it right there. And Billy took the ball off a bunch of times, a couple of times, Tim Goldstein backed himself out of bounds to try to get away from Billy, but turned it over, but he's so cagey. He ended up with four assists, you know? So he definitely hurt us. And we ended up, you know, it was a 13, 13 tie and we just lost 14, 13 and OT. So that was amazing freshman year. I just want to interject there. When you mentioned Billy McComas, I mean, he was I mean, I don't think people realize how good he was. You know, he, he's not mentioned in those names from that era of the great defenseman, but he, he taught me how to play defense. He taught me how to throw checks. He taught me how to think about positioning on the field and angles. And like, he was a tremendous leader of that young defensive crew that came in that year. And I think. You know, I know for me, and I'm sure Dak and Gannon, like, he was He mentored us and took us under the wing. There's some seniors who just like, they don't want to even deal with the freshmen, but he, he really, I don't know. He, he helped us. Had a lot to do with, to, you know, with our success down the road. And there's not many teams that get a defender. To become a first team, all American who don't even make the playoffs, you know, it's usually to the Victor goes to spoils, but everybody recognized Billy was like, just really a ridiculous talent. So, yeah. Who was the the attack men and army. I remember the first game we play. Was it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I talked, I asked Dave Petromalo once. I ran into him at some summer tournament, you know, a youth tournament. Who's the best guy you ever played against? He said it was Betcher. So Billy, like choose this guy up. And that's who Dave Petromalo tells me. He threw his stick up at the air in the end of the game. Like I don't know what to do. Because Billy just kept stripping him. And that was a good Army team. And I feel like that's when our Brown team peaked. It was the first game of the year. We played amazing. This guy who could beat Dave Petremala, he'll be the first to admit it. Yeah, Bill McComas was probably one of the best lacrosse players, totally. Bill McComas was definitely one of the best lacrosse players I ever watched play in person. Right. Right. It was, it was just amazing. And, you know, Jay, you mentioned back, you know, when Garden City would go deep into the playoffs and it seemed like it was kind of breaking the ice. Right. Right. Right. You know, that great 1985 Brown team that won the Ivy League championship, that sort of got the momentum going in the 80s for us. And you know, we built on that year after year. You know, it didn't make it all the way as far as we wanted to every year, but you know, what does it take for a program, especially a program like Brown, to ramp up that, that kind of momentum? You know, where does it begin? We, you know, we're starting with a new coach, so What are your hopes for, for Brown in that regard as to how does a program build momentum? Yeah, I think, you know, just based on our personal experience, kind of what Dawg was saying, like we could see how close we were as freshmen with a heavily laden senior team and be like, you know, we are this close to getting that much. You know, going that much farther and you just get a distaste for losing. So I think you start to work a lot harder and we, you know, obviously that next year we were in our sophomore year, we had a few decent wins, but. You know, we were kind of just competing. I remember we led a game against Yale. I think we were winning six or eight, nothing at halftime and we lost that game. And it was like, You just get fed up, you know, so then it was really, it didn't really turn around for us, though, because we didn't really have the talent. We didn't really play well enough or improve enough until that junior year. I feel like we had a lot of momentum and that year. I mean, we were scoring tons of goals. Just a great, great team had a great. You know, fast break, great transition offense, rich too. He was a great shooter. But, and the team really came together. So I think, you know, it's that sort of thing. Like you get beat a bunch of times and you just kind of say enough's enough, get sick and tired of being sick and tired. And then you start getting momentum. And then, like Ron said, where we were there. You know, we're like, holy cow. We had the closest game to the best team that ever played in the playoffs. So what are we going to do next year? And we just came out that next year. And that was amazing to go undefeated in the regular season. And, you know, obviously highlights in that year, we beat number two, Princeton you know, dumb You know, it was obviously our leader, but I know in that game, it was really Paul Hooper and Pete Lasagna who put together a great offense. Like, we were playing a lot of run and gun that year, and they, we decided to slow it down and just control the game against Princeton, who's notorious for trying to control the game. You know, we got an early lead, and that's what they like to do, and we just rode it out and won a low scoring game, seven to four or seven to five, and they are ranked number two in the country. And then and then in fact, yeah, you remember the, the other thing like shout out to Pete for being an innovator. That was, we, we, we called it Alabama and that was, I think the first college game where, where teams were. We, we sub through the midfield and we played the sub game. That was exactly, they were just, that had never been done. I remember, I mean, we love coach Tierney. We had him on the show, but I remember his jaw was just on the floor and we were, because we were, no one had ever done that before. As far as I know, he had never seen. And I know that we were just keeping their guys on the field so long by subbing through the midfield. Pete really was an innovator. Yeah, it was crazy. And that was huge. No doubt. And then I would just throw in their final memories on that year. We played Loyola. Loyola had not lost on their home field in like three years. And you look up at the scoreboard and we're losing 12 to seven. You know, I think it was the end of the third quarter and we came all the way back and won 14, 13 with a few seconds left in the game. And that was incredible. And coach Cottle was so pissed, such a good guy, but you know, he was so pissed off and I remember actually Don Zimmerman was on the sideline with him. One time I got hit out of bounds during that game and I get, it was a turnover. And I remember Don Zimmerman and Cottle getting in my face. And I like got up. I look over at it. The guy next to him is Todd Curry, who was like an idol of mine growing up. The Syracuse Great Mitty. He just kind of looked at them and was like, guys, be quiet. I was like, yeah, be quiet. Then after the game, Todd Curry comes up to me. He's like, hey, dude, great game. So that that was a super highlight. Well, Jay, I'm going to, you know, I, I. I hesitate to throw comments your way, Jay, but that Loyola game, you put, you put us on your fricking back in that fourth quarter. You had a fricking hell of a fourth quarter. And I remember Scotty, I think it was Scotty Boyle, this really famous official from down there. I think his name was Scotty Boyle. And I remember him coming up the sidelines and we're making this run and he goes, he God, I love these games, you know, it's just like all caught up in the game, you know, right. It was such a freaking great game. They were a good team. They had Kovac, they had Blanding, they had a bunch of good players. It was crazy. Hey, can I, I want to go back to Steve's question about like the, the, what it took to get to that place we got to in our senior year and, and I think Jay, you alluded to this and I think this is like, again what I see so much today is this sense that it's just instant gratification, right? Then just because you get a bunch of good players together, you're going to win. I mean, as you, as you laid out there, Jay, I'm not sure. As we were like in that freshman year, did we really believe in our heart of hearts that we could beat the best teams in the country, you know, but by the time our junior and senior year came along, that had totally shifted like we I felt like we didn't back down to anybody. We didn't care who you were. We felt like we could beat anyone. And, and that doesn't just happen. You know, it, it happens through a process of, like you said, losing those close games to those teams that ended up being in the final four and learning from that and getting better players who now think, Oh my God, like these guys are on the cusp. And so, and then, you know, cause I don't think it's an accident that the guys who were freshmen in our senior year go on to play in the final four. I was just going to say that cause Pete was the first one who pointed that out to me. He's like, you know, those guys were freshmen watching you. And I think it definitely instilled in them, you know, this, this, we won't be denied kind of mentality and we should take it to the next level. So yeah, it, I think it builds, it builds on itself. And like you said today in this instant gratification, or if I'm not winning now, I'm transferring immediately. And it's like build something, create something. It takes time. And it's so much more meaningful at the end of it. Right, exactly. Good point. All right, Ron, I'm going to apologize for taking the interview in this direction, but I can't even believe I'm doing this. I don't think we've ever done an interview and we've had 75 episodes thus far. So let's make it 75 or 75 and Jay, I'm going to ask about your experience playing for the first ever junior national team back in. Oh, this was, this was going so nicely, Steve, nice to be remembered Ron is going on with you tonight. Yeah. Cause we never talk about this in the 75 episodes, let him finish the question. All right. So Jay you know, here you are, you have a blank slate, so let's let's fill it in. And you know, Tell us about the process of getting on that team what it was like, who were some of the characters on it. And and how you guys paired. All right. Nice. Sit back, Ron, relax. You can take a potty break if you need to. Yeah, here we go. Well, when I remember the the tryouts were down at the Hill school in Pennsylvania, and it was like extremely hot and that might've been like a camp 205. There was a ton people at those tryouts. And I remember, you know, just being really hot, you know, you're, you're trying to stand out. You're doing a lot of basic stuff though. You're literally doing two on one ground ball drills. One on ones was exciting because you're going against some great defensemen and great midfielders. Most middies, you know, and eventually when the team was formed, you're playing, you're a two way middie. You're, you're playing defense. There really were no D middies on that team and except for the LSMs. And so, you know, up and down the field a lot. And I actually remember Dr. Hardy coming up to me before the final scrimmage, and he's like, you know, a lot of these coaches are saying you, you know, you really need to step up if you're going to make this team. I'm like, me in particular? He's like, yeah, you. I'm like, okay. So I did play really hard in that game, but I think I actually was getting a little lost in the sauce because it seemed, felt like a really long tryout. I forget, we probably were there for a few days. I just remember how hot it was. I was swallowing ice cream. Yeah, wasn't it so freaking hot and muggy? Yes. And, you know, was it two days or so? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I think I was just like, you know, lost in the sauce. So I did play hard and was fortunate, you know, to make that team.

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In a previous interview, just a few episodes ago.

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Big discounts on the JML online courses and merchandise from our new online store go ahead and check out the links in today's show notes. We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in And then the coaches, you had Guy Witten from Wilton, Connecticut. Who was a great guy. You had doc. Doherty was an assistant with Doug tearing. Doug tearing was St. Anne's Bellfield who we had on the show. Great guy. Bobby Shriver was a big time coach for Maryland. And so that, that was the coaching staff. And and then I was a little, I was a little irked. I'm like, really? You know, they're, you know, they're talking smack about me before the scrimmage, the doc telling me I'm going to get cut or whatever. And then we have a. handful of practices and and then they like announced. I was like, honestly, I was very surprised. So like, all right, here's our captains. It's Mike Shatner. I was like, oh, no surprise. Billy Dwan, no surprise. And then they named me as a captain. I literally was like, what? And felt really weird. And then we were doing line drills and I like couldn't catch the ball and Doug freaking screams at me. He's like, McMahon, what the hell's the matter with you? Step up. You need to be a leader on this team. Damn it. And I was like, okay. And that was, that was weird. But from then on in, I was like, all right, you know, we got towers. We got Panetta. We're tremendous offensive talents. Maybe we need a little stability. I need to start catching and throwing properly. But it was a great team. A lot of characters, obviously, Andy Towers is a big character. So is Panetta. The biggest character though, on the team was Jerry D Lorenzo. This guy, did you know Jerry D? I had met him a few times. We never played division. So, you know, I, I maybe met him at Rutgers or something, but he was a goalie and he started since sophomore year. We would play them twice a year, every year. And he had such a mouth, just like a motor mouth, classic Long Island guy. And so he, he was just hilarious. And the trip overall was awesome. We were really fortunate. We got to go to Australia and we traveled all around. The games were in Adelaide, but we went to Melbourne. We went to Perth. We would stay with families and go to these parks you know, hold a koala bear and you know, pet kangaroos. And it was like amazing. And then the lacrosse was kind of secondary. They were not that good, you know, amazing players on that team. Like Pat McCabe, he was the MVP of our team. I mentioned Kavodi, Mike Shatner was really good. We're fortunate to have four guys from my high school, reg leader, Keith Melchioni, myself, and Mickey Kavodi. And but we did a lot of flights. We went to California first for like a whole week, maybe five days, San Francisco, and then after we went to Hawaii for like three days. So it was just like. The most fun trip ever and back to Jerry DiLorenzo. We would get on these flights and he would do this every time. We'd be on like a 747 huge flight. The plane, I never even noticed how quiet a plane would get before takeoff or as you're taking off. And you'd have that silence. And all of a sudden Jerry would go, Yeah, the whole plane would feel like it's like shaking and everybody every time be like a pause and then everyone on the whole plane would just start laughing hysterically. Guy was just hilarious. He should have gone stand up. But then we did, you know, We had a championship game against the only challenging game was against Canada the second time we played him. We kind of blew him out the first game. Second game it was a little close. They might have made it within a one goal game and we might have won nine to five as the final. But yeah, it was great. It was awesome. And you know, still stay in touch with a lot of those guys to this day. But thank you, Steve, for recognizing my presence. I gotta wake Ron up. Ron, he's done. You come back. Are you there? Just caught up on three days worth of text while Jay was going there. No, but Jay, it is an incredible honor to represent your country and to be named the captain. And I, I have a vivid memory of of course our other teammate, Mike Marinelli was part of that U18 team. And I remember going down to watch you guys play the Mount Washington lacrosse club. And they used to have this little field up off, it's kind of down a hill. It was like, this is man. And Mount Washington was like one of the great Maryland lacrosse clubs. And they had this kind of random field. I remember going to see you guys play down there. Yeah, that team, we didn't, the only game we lost was actually to a Yale quote unquote all star team, and we lost by like a goal, but we beat Mount Washington, we beat like everybody, that team was Talented and would get up and down the field. My midfield was called the LIE, Long Island Express. Freddie Amaya from Hicksville. He played at Syracuse and Timmy Corcoran from Half Hollow Hills East. He he played at Maryland and they, they were, they could fly. So yeah, it was, it was entertaining group but Tommy Towers, Jamie Monroe. Tom Dwyer all played on that Yale All Star team. And they never let me forget that, that, that we lost to them. The Yale and friends, Yale and friends, right? Yeah. Billy McComas was another friend he played. No wonder we lost. All right, Ron, we're going to circle back to you. And you were an assistant coach for Pete lasagna for the bears. Who, by the way, is one of the funniest human beings on the planet. I got to get him on the show. An amazing coach. Yes. But Oh my God, is he funny? So he was an assistant while we played along with the whole cast of characters. Of course, Pete was the US ILO Coach of the Year after taking Brown to its first ever Final Four in 1994, talking about, you know, building blocks and breaking you know, breaking the ice. And I think your tenure shortly began after that. So please tell us what those years were like for you on College Hill. What are some of your fondest memories and who were the people and players that made it a memorable experience? Yeah, I mean it was a real it was a tremendous learning experience. First of all that transition from player to coach, you, you gain some perspective pretty quickly on like, holy cow, it's not easy to keep these knucklehead 18 to 21 year olds focused, you know, and I re I do remember really gaining an appreciation for the things that I think made successful because fundamentally, if you can recruit, Good people who are going to work hard and you can get them to play together and play hard each and every game, you're going to win a lot of games, you know, cause those things are not easy. People like take them for granted. It is not easy to bring a group of people together and have them be connected to a common goal and really play hard together. So it was a, it was a great learning experience. And I feel like. You also learn a lot about the game. You know, you think, you know, until you really get in a room with someone like Pete and you're coaching against Dave Petromala, who was a head coach at Cornell at that time and Bill Tierney and some of these, you know, these guys who are just amazing tacticians and motivators and so slouches. So you really, you know, it's fun to be challenged in a new way. Like, you know, at Brown and through the career, we talked about your challenge as a player to be better. And I felt that same way as a young coach, where you're really challenged to step up and you feel an enormous sense of responsibility to the players and to Pete, who's trusting you you know, to, to put these kids in a position to To succeed. And I was also working, you know, at the sports foundation for Dave Zucconi during that time. So, you know, it was a great time to be back at Brown, working for really two legends, you know, Dave Zucconi at the sports foundation and Pete as the head coach at Brown. And you know, I remember one, one of the memories, you know, now who were the other coaches with you, Doug? Well, when when I started Joe Bresci, Joe, that was when I really formed. You know, a real close relationship with Joe. We you know, for those listeners, Joe played at Loyola down in Maryland in high school, and then was an all American at North Carolina and a two time U S world team member. So just an incredible coach, of course, the head coach of North Carolina now but he was a defensive coordinator when I first, Got to Brown and then became the head coach at Ohio State. And then I, I was. You know, honored for a year to be the defensive coordinator at Brown. Guys like Chris Sullivan, who was a great defenseman, and Mike Sheridan, and Todd McNamara, and Zach McDonald, and then, you know, some of the memorable games, the one, we went up to Syracuse and whooped them. In the dome, and I think at that point it was like we were one of only five programs, five lacrosse programs ever to have gotten a win at the dome. And that was like Greg Catrano and the goal and Brett Froude and it was like the thing of it was. We weren't like slowing it down. We kind of beat them at their own game. We were running up and down the field. And just, I know I watched that tape or something and Trano was just shutting the door. And so, you know, that was a pretty, pretty heady experience going up there and getting that win. Yeah, they had Casey Powell. I mean, that was no pushover team. No, I mean, holy cow. Amazing. Cause, and then David Evans always tells the story that he was in Maryland and back then you didn't have the internet or anything. And him and Todd Curry, you have mentioned that great Syracuse midi. He was a team USA midi. They had had some pro game or something. I don't know what they were doing, but they were doing something together and they're like looking at the scores and they're like, that can't be right. Like both of them were coming to the same conclusion. It's gotta be a misprint. It was like 20 to 12 or something. And now. Brown and Pete beat a great, great Syracuse team. That amazing. You know, some other guys who were on that, that staff along the way was Jacques Monte, who went on to be a, an MLL coach when it had come from from Hobart Jim Finley, who had come from Notre Dame and had been on the staff with Bergen there. So, you know, some great guys who had come through the program during those years. Nice. All right, Jay, as we know, following graduation, you pursued a podiatric medical career, but stayed in touch with the game as a youth lacrosse coach. So tell us about your experience coaching and what led you to start your skills, mindset, and lax IQ program. Yeah, I right after college, I had done a little traveling, did a little trip out to Europe and with some lacrosse buddies, and then came back and was taking some classes down on Long Island for the fall, but then in the next year, I went and actually volunteered a bit at, you know, at Brown and got a little bit of the coaching bug. And then the following year, like, you would apply to school and you'd have a whole year you'd have to wait. So that next year I worked but then I helped out with Doctority on a team in Garden City. A really good team that did end up winning the state title. People like Drew Malchione Ferrucci, Chris Massey, who was a great attackman for Princeton, of course. Nassie, Hubbard and Hess. So I was interested in coaching and then had been away from it a little bit. But then when we moved down here to Richmond about 20 years ago you know, I started coaching just the local clubs and there wasn't really any public high schools that had teams. So it was kind of like a regional club and it was a lot of fun. I did it for a handful of years and then over the years things really picked up and and this whole travel thing you. Started coming around. So I started with the rec leagues, but then got into the travel across. And this one team I was coaching for a handful of years, you know, since they were like in probably third grade, it might've been like a rec year. Then fourth grade, we went travel, fifth grade, we went travel and they were getting a lot better and it was great. And then that momentum, like from fifth grade to sixth grade, like things really slowed down. Like the kids. We're not improving. And I always say like, you know, we couldn't blame the kids. They're coming to practice a couple of times a week. We were having them use this little app so that they're doing wall ball between practice. And then I always say I couldn't blame the coach cause I was the coach, you know? So it was like, why aren't we getting better? And And it was that they really needed, you know, you're doing all these tournaments and it's all this just team stuff, but they're, they're not working on their technique, let's say, with their shooting. Like they're, let's say if they've got bad throwing form, it's not improving by just coming to practice. You just, I would try to do some skills training, but realized it wasn't enough. And so a few of the dads on the team asked me if I would work with their sons, and I was glad to do it. And, in fact, I thought back to that 10th grade year when Dr. O'Ready was telling me the things to work on. You know, it was these fundamentals, you know, shooting on the run and then, and being a smart player, and, and being a, having the right mindset, you know, about, about being a winner. And So I did that with these guys kind of between the fall and spring or summer season with travel. And this one player for us was an attackman and he had been a good goal scorer, but that one year where we kind of dropped off a cliff, he only had like three goals. And then the next season, he had five goals in one game, which we had never done before and had like 30 goals and 20 assists. And it was all, it was so many simple things that it really got me hooked on wanting to help kids with skills training. So I've really done it. You know, ever since. And this is the first year that kids that I worked with are going into school, and we have a kid who's gone to Army, a kid who's gone to Penn State, a kid who's gone to Cornell, a kid who's gone to Michigan, and then a bunch of D3 schools as well. So it's, it's really just been a lot of fun and having that approach of like, you know, you can't just do wall ball. And think you're going to get better. I mean, you certainly need to do wall ball, but you need more than that. You need the context. You know, it's like a golfer who's going out and doesn't have a good swing. If they just keep hitting that, using that same swing, they're just going to slice harder and harder than they ever did before. Right. Until they correct their technique in their form, they're not going to improve. So so that was, that was what really got me into it. And then the concept to have some people not being proximal to coaches. There's a lot of very good skills trainers out there, but having an online program that people could have right on their phone You know, has really been a game changer for a lot of kids out there. So you know, it's been a lot of fun and I help out with teams, but I really don't coach teams because I'm so keyed into this skills training. And and I'm just excited to keep on doing it. All right, that's amazing. And as a follow up, I know JML donates funds each year to a few nonprofit organizations. Would you like to tell us a little bit about that? Sure. Yeah, for one of them is Harlem lacrosse, which I know you guys are involved with too. And dog, why don't you tell everybody about the Harlem lacrosse? Cause I do a few other ones. So why don't you tell them about Sam Jackson and, and Harlem lacrosse and how we help out with them.

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We will do that next week. As our three part interview series comes to a stunning conclusion.

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until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.