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It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.
Friends welcome to another episode of Get the lax scoop. I think tonight jay has lost his mind my co host He's decided to turn this entire episode over to our rovering reporter Steve Grisolfi. And the guests tonight will be none other than Jay Bird and Big Dog. That's right, Steve Grisolfi will be interviewing slash interrogating your co hosts. Jay, I'm, I'm not sure what you've done here. I'm having a mindless zen moment. I'm just going into my heart and not letting my mind go crazy over this whole situation. But I think Mr. Steve Grisalfi is going to step up the plate and hit a grand slam. Jay, what in God's name did you just say? Is this, is this what this whole episode's going to be? I, Steve, I just went into my heart and found my zen. Good lord. All right, well, Steve Grisalfi, apparently this is your episode, so take it away. All right. Well, hello, LAX fans. We have a special episode of Get the LAX Scoop today. This time we will flip the script, and Jay and Ron, who normally host the show, are today's guests. And today's host Me, your humble correspondent, Steve Grisalfi, who totally has the legit lacrosse credentials to do this job because I scored a goal against Dartmouth. Our first, our first guest was a brown bear playing midfield for the legendary coach Dom Starzia. He was a four year starter and a three time All New England, All Ivy, and All American selection. Move on. Go on, dog. I'm trying to get through this. Following his freshman year at Brown, he was a tri captain for the under 19 Team USA, helping lead the Red, White, and Blue to a gold medal in Adelaide, Australia, and was selected to the all tournament team, in case you hadn't heard. Yeah, thank God you mentioned that. Yes, lest we all forget. He played his high school lacrosse at Garden City, where he helped the team win their first ever New York State title. He was named an All American and was the Jim Brown Award winner as the Midfielder of the Year in Nassau County out of a strong field of midfielders that year, Ron. Following the graduation from Brown, he was a volunteer assistant for the Bears for one season for going to the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery. He ran his own multi office podiatric practice for 25 years and on the side coached youth and high school lacrosse for various organizations. In 2020, he formed J. McMahon Lacrosse. An organization that focuses on developing the skills mindset and lacks IQ for the next generation of lacrosse players Please welcome the miz the maz the maestro jay mcmahon Oh, yes Thank you, steve. Well, no one enjoyed that introduction more than jay. I can tell you I'm glad we're recording. I can just Pay you for that. Should we do that again? By the way, nobody when I when I think jim brown the first thing that comes to my mind is jay mcmahon. I mean good lord Run. It should be. How dare you? And I mean, I think I meant to say, Jay, that's tremendous credentials you have. Very proud of you. Thank you. All right. Our next guest was a four year letterman in lacrosse and football at Brown, where he started at defensive end for three years for the Bears. In lacrosse, he won the Contributed Most to Team Award two years in a row in 1990 and 1991 when Brown enjoyed an undefeated regular season and an Ivy League title. He graduated with a degree in political science and worked in the nation's capital for two years before returning to Brown to be an assistant coach for USILA Coach of the Year Pete Lasagna. He next became the head of development for the Brown University Sports Foundation, a position he held for over a decade. After that, he shifted his focus to secondary school education, working at the Moses Brown School, where he has been for the past 20 years. A native of the lacrosse hotbed of Annapolis, Maryland, where he was an all conference selection in junior and senior years and played for the legendary Jim Moorhead at St. Mary's high school. Please welcome the one, the only Ron, the big dog doglish. Thank you, Steve. I appreciate that. You're a little liberal with some of the math, but we're going to let it go. I mean, generally that was directionally correct. I don't know about the, uh, chronology. Does that make you like 75 years old? I mean, yeah, kind of Steve, exactly, exactly. All right. Well, Ron, as you know, we like to start at the very beginning of our guest lacrosse journey. So please tell us in our listeners, when you first started playing lacrosse and who was influential in steering you towards the creator's game. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. Cause I grew up in. And I never saw the game of lacrosse until my uncle was a student at Penn State. My dad had a real, a brother who was much younger than him, kind of like my brother Scott. And my dad took me to see him when he was a student at Penn State. And we went and saw a Penn State lacrosse game. When I, this was when I was in, I don't know, like fifth grade. And I had never seen lacrosse before. And, I was like, holy cow. And it was really physical. That's all I remember. It was this incredibly physical game. And then, uh, you know, long story short, I moved, my parents, moved to Annapolis, Maryland the summer before seventh grade. At St. Mary's. Uh, I had been a baseball player in the spring,'cause that's all there was in Pennsylvania. I was a huge Philadelphia Phillies fan. Um, I, I would, I was a righty. Coming outta left field to the bullpen, late innings power hitter slugger. Wow. Wow. Uh, and when I moved to Annapolis, same area. Dave Ruth esque physique. They must have No thank you Jay. Thank you Jay. Yes. Appreciate that the big first fat joke of the night from Jay. Thank you. Uh, don't think, yeah, that was really subtle, really subtle. Jack's just a young man back then. Uh, anyway, I moved to Annapolis going into seventh grade, no baseball at St. Mary's. Um, so I had no choice. He had to play lacrosse. Just might be the only high school in all of America without baseball. Well, it does. There was no baseball then. And that was beautiful. I went out there. If that wasn't the case, I went out and they, uh, I had no idea. About the game at all. And they put a goalie stick in my hand. So my first year of seventh grade lacrosse, I played in the goal. I was like, I'm done with this. Thank you very much. And then I moved to defense and the next, you know, the rest is history. I think that the most influential people, uh, for me in the game were some legendary coaches at St. Mary's Daffy Russell, who was. He was kind of a legendary athletic director and coach at St. Mary's who when I was there was a JV coach and then Steve you mentioned Jim Moorhead, who, kind of put me on the straight and narrow, and let's not jump ahead. Uh, well, he asked me who the influential people are. Moorhead's going to be a second question. Before Ron gets too ahead, let's forget our time. Why don't we cut to you, Jay? And, uh, you know, what are your first memories of lacrosse? How did you get introduced to the game? Great question. Um, I grew up in Garden City and believe it or not, they did not have like a youth lacrosse league until Kind of years down the road, but they did have these summer clinics that kids would go to and there was this older gentleman I mean, we were like third fourth fifth grade and He literally had this cart It was like a very old wooden cart that he would roll along and had wooden sticks in the cart So none of the kids none of us had sticks we'd go to this clinic and he'd show up And I remember I was there with Tom Costello, who became the goalie at Garden City High School, eventually. You'd see Mickey Cavote there, who we played soccer with. His good friend was Chris Sullivan. These were all guys that we played with come high school time, and we'll play D1 lacrosse eventually. But we would go there and get these wooden sticks. And we'd still talk about it, like, for years afterwards, even to this day. That he would just show up with this whole You know, kid and you hit gloves and the wooden sticks, but really no helmets. But it was just casting and throwing and ground balls, and we just, like, loved it, though. We, like, couldn't wait to do that clinic every summer. So we did it for, like three or four years and then there was a little hiatus where there just was no lacrosse, and it really didn't start until seventh grade and junior high. Back then we didn't have middle school, we had junior high. It was, like, seventh, eighth, and ninth grade. But we still would talk about this clinic. This great guy, Mr. Nolan, and, he would, he would show you how to scoop, you know, you'd lean over the ball, get down low and he'd be like, good scoop. And onto the next guy was like, ready, go good scoop, ready go. So if we see each other, like, sometimes we'll just say that and it brings back those memories. So that, that was my first introduction to lacrosse, Mr. Nolan. Doggies, you mentioned you played at St. Mary's High School with, Moorhead and,, that's, you know, it's in Annapolis, which is a serious hotbed of lacrosse, always has been, St. Mary's home to Hall of Famers like Brian Wood of Johns Hopkins and, who Jay and his friends enjoyed watching over the years, so tell us more about your high school experience and what it was like to play at St. Mary's for Coach Moorhead and all the other coaches there. Yeah, I mean, it was,, it was an incredible experience. I mean, he was, you know, he was an amazing coach and mentor. He was the principal of our high school. And, you know, you mentioned Brian Wood and Craig Bouvier. These guys were like gods, you know, when I was growing up and, um, it's a dog. Is that right? The lacrosse coaches position, his status was, he was the principal of the school. Is that how it always goes? Every lacrosse coach is the principal. I don't know, Jack, but ours was, that's incredible. Our lacrosse coach was the principal. And so, he was, I mean, that's when you know, lacrosse is big. Yeah. Uh, and you know, he was a huge influence. In my life in many ways and you know lacrosse was just everything at the school. I mean we had huge crowds and you know Seemingly every guy every guy on our team pretty much Went and played college lacrosse somewhere most of them back then at the d1 level you looked up to the older guys, there was sort of a culture of what it took to be great and the work that you had to put in. And coach Morehead was a big guy on using lacrosse to get educational opportunities. And he always preached that if you worked hard on the field and in the classroom and, uh, that you would get opportunities. And he delivered on that for, you know, a generation of St. Mary's guys. Nice. Now, Jay, you played for Legendary Coach in Doc Daugherty at Perennial Powerhouse Garden City on Long Island. Tell us about your high school experience and what that was like with Doc Daugherty as a coach. I remember Doc Daugherty as a wrestling referee, you know. Oh, yeah. Um, but he was all over the scene in Nassau County Athletics, but, uh, clearly, you know, Legendary Coach, uh, what was it like playing for such a, uh, you know, strong and large personality? Yeah, it was something, you know, approaching big doctority back in the day and even just to back it up a little further to give a little, layer to it was that 6th, 7th grade, we did get sticks. We, you know, didn't have the wood sticks anymore, being a bunch of my friends and it turned out to be all the guys who would eventually play varsity. Around my time frame, and we would just play together and play on our own, even though there wasn't a youth league, and then had a good junior high run there, particularly eighth and ninth grade, playing against Matt Panetta and, Pat McCabe and Mike Marinelli from Elmont. I don't know if we played Limbrook. I do remember. Not until junior year, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I remember in high school playing against you and Quentin, uh, Quint Kessnick, but, um. Yeah. But yeah, so then he was very intimidating doc. He he was about six to about 230 or 40 But it seemed like he was about 6 10. I mean it was like He was the size of Sasquatch, basically. And he just had a no nonsense kind of approach. And when I was a sophomore, I actually got cut from the varsity team. And it was like, Whoa. And I had played in the winter. They would have, lacrosse games in the tennis courts. And guys from all around would come. It wasn't just Garden City. In fact, I played against Dave Petromala. One of the first times, and the last, I ever played attack, I had Dave Petromala cover me. Never ran faster in my life, and still got whacked everywhere. But anyway, he, you know, he tells me, you know what, Mac, you know, I'm going to have you play JV. And I was just like kind of shocked. But then even though he had was such a hard ass, he had this softer side and he spent a lot of time telling me what he wanted me to work on and telling me how all these guys who were seniors on the team had actually been playing and starting since they were like in 10th grade. And because of that, they were very good. And, and I could learn a lot just by watching them. And so I did, Do a lot of work with the skills and, um, and watch that team a lot. And then at the end of 10th grade, me and a few other guys like Keith Melchioni went up to varsity and got to go with the team through an incredible run. And I even looked it up a little bit to see like, why are these teams in the seventies from garden city with people like Timmy Worstel, who was literally in life magazine and a three time first teamer for Maryland. They had another guy. Paul Hollis was like an amazing attackman with Bristol on the same attack. They could never win Nassau County. They'd never won the Nassau County Championship at Garden City. And they'd been playing for like a hundred years. So that team that was the, the 12th graders, you know, when I was a 10th grader, they finally beat Levittown division to get to the county finals. They finally beat Manhasset. They finally beat Farmingdale. And then beat Ward Melville, uh, to win the Long Island Championship. And then go on, we went up to West Point, and played a really good Yorktown team. And that was like a nail biter, and won that one 10 9. And then went up to Cornell for the first state championship in Garden City's history. And, uh, we ended up getting shellacked by, uh, Wes Jenney. And they had, uh, Wurtzberger, who played at Maryland, and they had John Zalberti, who was just unbelievable. I mean, he was throwing, like, 60, 70 yard passes, like, right on the dime. And, and he looked, I think he was about 5'7 he looked like he was about 5'4 and it was like, who is this guy? But they, they whooped us about 10 to three, but that kind of broke the seal for like where we would go from there because I looked it up Garden City. Well, the next year, I'd have to look this up. The next year was junior year. We returned 1 starter Andy Krause, who was a phenomenal player. He had, he had been an all, the only all American on that team for the year before, graduated all those seniors. One of those seniors was Paul Basile, played at Navy. Another was Scott Hiller. Who played at UMass,
MacBook Pro Microphone-2:both were multi-year all Americans at attack.
We played against him a bunch of times. And he also, he made Team USA, Scott Hiller, Peter Bennett played, was a All American at Hobart defenseman. This other guy, Birchall played at Hobart. This guy, Coleman was another defenseman. He, I forget, I think he went to Penn, but anyway, a lot of talented players in that class, but that really cracked the seal. And, the next year we just kind of walked through 125 and 0. And, we had a few tight games, but really not that many. It was crazy. I feel like the year before was more challenging and then senior year, we did well, we had a very good team, but we really underestimated a Yorktown team that, You know, didn't have a great season, but got to that regional playoff and we lost,
MacBook Pro Microphone-4:So our final record that year was 23 wins and one loss.
but probably the highlight senior year was when we played, as coach Mike Murphy was saying on the show a couple weeks ago, we played New Canaan, who was ranked number one in the country, and they come to Garden City, and I'm facing off against Andy Towers the whole game, and, Mickey Cavote had a great game, Chris Sullivan, Greg Leder, Keith Melchioni, and we pull it out and we beat them 9 5, so that was pretty cool. But doc was steve was your question about playing for doc, uh, yes Or was did you say Did you say jay? Please name every player you ever played with and run through every season of your high school career I don't i'm not really sure that was the question. I just I kind of remember one of those nail biters He was talking about happening on uh at the field in limbrook. I think that was a 70. Yeah That was a tight one. Not many tight games that year. That was among the tightest. And I'll never forget taking an ill advised shot at the end of the game and Quint just gobbling it up and flying down the field. It was like 10 seconds left. The guys on the field like running with the clock. And I'm like, I watched the videotape of me. I just jump up in the air. I'm like, and your guy hits the crossbar. And then time ran out. It was like, Oh my. I remember that. I was, I, I, I fed that to Mark Feinberg on that one. And we watched the tape and, uh, speaking of Doc Darty, he goes, Here's, you'll see nicotine stains sliding down McMahon's shorts on this last play. And he kept replaying it. It's like, why are you shooting?
Jay:How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that.
Folks, what Coaches Murphy and Kolbeck have described
MacBook Pro Microphone-7:In a previous interview, just a few episodes ago.
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We're giving our listeners an opportunity to get our program and there's live coaching support on the platform along with the pre recorded sessions. And we have a community of like minded individuals who are taking the journey with you and who can help you be accountable and get the most out of the process. You can do the training at any time you'd like. And we do advise though, as coaches Murphy and Colbeck mentioned that you follow the weekly workouts and then repeat that three to four times per week. This is for attackmen, long poles and goalies. Now you'll hear a little more about our offer. Big additions to the JML course catalog. Now we have a defenseman's course taught by none other than UVA head coach, Lars, Tiffany, and a goalie course taught by former two-time All-American and UVA assistant coach kept Turner. The best time of year to improve your game. And that's why we are making this special offer. So jump on it now because it won't last for long. 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Big discounts on the JML online courses and merchandise from our new online store go ahead and check out the links in today's show notes. We're excited to get back to our interview and you will find that interview in Jay, as we know, the world of college lacrosse recruiting has evolved quite a bit over the years. But back when you were playing, things were really different. Please tell us in our listeners what recruiting was like before there was a club lacrosse circuit, before there was even a Camp 205. Yeah, that is the truth. I mean, I still get so many parents asking me, like when I'm working with their son, and what club did you play for? And I'm like, really? There was no club. And I they still will come back with it. I'm like, I'm telling you, there was a time when there was no club lacrosse. They can't even believe it. And then they do talk about that camp 205, which happened. I think it was more like I graduated in 87 and I believe camp 205 started maybe in like 93 or 95, something like that. But they didn't have anything like that. And so these coaches would go to your camp. Practices and games. And I remember seeing Dom, Mike Caravana was his assistant being at our games and at practices. I remember seeing Bill Tierney because he was at Johns Hopkins at that point. Zimmerman from Johns Hopkins was the head coach. And, uh, and other people just, You know, you'd see them walk, because, you know, obviously you looked up to these people, but they would go to, go to stuff. And one of the things that was one group thing, and Doug, you could probably talk about what you had in Maryland if there was any group opportunities for them to see a bunch of these players together, was the Empire State Games. So like in New York, you had this Empire State game where they'd break the state of New York up into like four or five teams. And one of them was team Long Island. And we would, you know, get together and play against the guys from the Syracuse area. And then I'm, I'm pretty sure Westchester was completely separate. And, and then even further upstate, And that was really the only pseudo travel team situation where you're on this all star team. You did have practice. In fact, Darren Lowe's dad, Alan, was our coach. And we had several practices ahead of time and had a lot of fun, you know, with that, with that team Long Island. But that was the closest thing that we had to club. And otherwise, the coaches just had to go to individual games. So, yeah, that's what it was like. And then the other thing it was like, you know, with no email didn't exist. There were cell phones didn't exist. That's another thing. It takes a while for people to get their mind around, especially the kids get all these mailers, you know, like in the beginning, I remember a bunch of these coaches definitely did not have any idea who I was because it was like, you know, I don't know, random schools basically that I had never even heard of. But then eventually, you know, it would all come in the mail and it wasn't that specific or personal, but then eventually things were getting personal. Dom was a huge personal recruiter. You know, he, he'd write everything by hand on these clippings of like a highlight from Brown lacrosse from either 10 years ago or five years ago. And then he was big on the phone. You know, he would, these coaches would call you on the phone. I don't know if they still do it today, but you'd sit there and you'd have to like be a kid who's in high school talking to these college coaches and, uh, Some people were good at it. Some people were awkward. I have to say Don Zimmerman. God bless him. He's a great coach and a great guy, but he was a little awkward on the phone. Uh, Dom Starger was a total natural. He like found out I was a Giants fan. So we would like talk football and talk all sorts of other stuff so that you really felt comfortable with him. But, um, but that, that's what it was like. Ron, what about you? Was there any like all star stuff for them to go to down in Maryland? No, it was funny, Jay. There was nothing. Um, nothing like that. And I think, I do think Maryland was maybe a little bit different because the, you know, the great teams in New York were spread out all over the state. Right. I mean, there were obviously Long Island, there was a concentration, but in Maryland back then with the Emma, you know, the MSA, what it was called back then. I mean, you know, You know, you could, you could stay in Baltimore and drive up and down Charles Street and see just unbelievable high school games, you know, um, in such a concentrated area. So there were, I remember, I remember vividly college coaches being at our games, but you know, if they came to Baltimore for a day or two, they could see. All these great games, you know, that were always happening on Wednesday and Friday. And so, uh, I remember a couple of guys maybe going to the Rutgers camp, but that just was not a thing, you know? Um, so like you, I, I, you know, I came down to between Brown and Cornell. And like you said, I just immediately felt a connection to Dom and, you know, Richie Moran, you know, was an amazing coach. And an amazing guy in the history of lacrosse, but I was like, I was a used car salesman. Like, I mean, what, what, what is this? You know? And so I just. I really, uh, you know, I felt a great connection to Dom and I also just felt a great connection to the culture of Brown and like this sense of independence and, you know, people going there who want to chart their own course, you know, and, and I, I kind of always feel like our teams were like an island of misfit toys, you know? And, and I mean that in a good way, like just a bunch of guys who all came from different places and were characters and are still characters, but you know. Dom had a way of pulling all those guys together and, and having us play hard. You know, Dom's teams, I always felt like we were never going to get outworked. Um, and, um, it was a lot of fun. Absolutely. So, Ron, we mentioned while at Brown, you played on some solid teams, one being a team that won the first playoff game in the program's history, and then another the following year. was an Ivy League champion and a team that had a undefeated regular season and a number two national ranking. So tell us in our listeners what your experience was like once you got up to Providence. And before he does, let me interject, please, because I'm looking at the question. It says, please tell us your high school experience and what it was like to coach with Dr. Hardy. So I think I answered it rather well. Thank you very much. Go ahead, Ron. I'm sure everybody appreciated that answer. Um, but, first thing, Steve, that I'll say about coming to Providence is that Dom started,, was, we all know was a tremendous recruiter. He had told me that the weather in Providence was very much like it was in Maryland. And so the first time I was up on the AstroTurf roof, uh, on the top of the OMAC athletic facility at Brown. And there were 42 shovels in a closet and we would have to shovel off the roof. Um, I suggested to Dom that we generally didn't practice in the snow in Maryland because it was warm. And cause you were too wimpy. Yes, Jay. Thank you. No, we, we, it was. It wasn't wimpy, we just had nice weather. Stomp promised me, illegitimately, would be my experience in Providence. And you believed him, Ron. Talk about gullible. My goodness. So bait and switch on the weather, right? But how, how did you find everything else once you got to Brown, Ron? But look, I, I mean, Dom, as we all know, he's, he's just an incredible human being and, you know, the way he motivated and inspired us, you know, it, it, it sort of was a storybook, uh, four years. Uh, I mean, as you and Jay both know from where we started, um, you know, with the, with the, Great class of 88 and just missing the playoffs, uh, on a one goal loss up at Cornell. And then a little bit of a shaky year in 89 we struggled. Um, to find ourselves, uh, that year, Jay, but, you know, with the addition of great recruiting classes behind us and guys, we mentioned like, you know, Andy Towers and, and Darren Lowe and Oliver Marty and the tremendous class of 91. And you know, the guys ahead of us, Tom Dwyer and, Lars Tiffany, now the coach of Virginia. I mean, that was just a great crew of people who are still, you know, our best friends to this day and to go up to UMass and win a playoff game in our junior year and then go up to the Carrier Dome in the quarterfinals and play against arguably the greatest college team ever assembled. And, uh, I would argue in the affirmative. But I think we, what did we lose? 18 to 12. And that was the closest anyone came to him in the playoffs. I think they won the national title 21 or 22 to nine. Yeah. And it wasn't that close. And so, I mean, that just shows you, you know, we may have been the second best team in the country that year. Right. Um, But, um, but, but that, I remember that experience as like, while they beat us, you're like, Hey, we're fricking good. You know? And I think in some ways that playoff win and even that loss to Syracuse emboldened our senior class. And the guys who were coming back that next year to feel like, Hey, there's nothing we couldn't accomplish. And to have an undefeated regular season and the highest national ranking in the school's history and, and to host a home playoff game. I mean, it was, uh It was just a lot of fun. And thinking about Dom back then, you know, he was like 35. Yeah. He's 20 years younger than we are now. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Absolutely. Jay, let's touch on some of your fondest memories on the lacrosse field and in practice while playing for Dom up there.
MacBook Pro Microphone:Ooh. Fond memories. I've got quite a few. My last memory was
MacBook Pro Microphone-1:About a week after my last game.
MacBook Pro Microphone:when Andy towers picked me up and a brand new fire engine, red Jeep with the top taken off that he had temporarily stolen from a friend. And then illegally drove us up and over some barricades. And non to a place where we could overlook the lacrosse stadium field. For just a moment. He did this so I could get one last look at that magical place before leaving the brown campus for the last time as a student. Tune in next week for more magical memories.
Ron:until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.