S2 E9. Acorns Don't Fall Far From The Tree; DIII COY, Steve Koudelka & Brandon Childs, Part III.

In this third and final installment of our discussion with two DIII Coaches of the Year, Steve Koudelka of Lynchburg and Brandon Childs of York, we round out our interview series with several intriguing questions. 

We start off hearing what exactly these two highly successful coaches look for when they are recruiting student-athletes for their programs. They review what skills, levels of athleticism, and intangibles they are looking for year in and year out. 

Coach Childs discusses how he was fortunate to have a PLL All Star, Paul Drenner, on his staff for three years at York. What impressed him the most was how Drenner's  teaching style was primarily focused on sound fundamentals and some other elements you'll want to learn about in this podcast.

After some prodding from co-host Ron Dalgleish-the Big Dawg, the coaches discuss the benefits of DIII lacrosse. The smaller school, the stadium right on campus, the exciting atmosphere. Letting players play in a more relaxed, free flowing environment and many more mentioned inside the interview. All this along with another round of our rapid fire recruiting questions. Yet again, another episode you will not want to miss.!

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Jay: 0:00

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1:00

Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're so excited to bring you the third and final installment. Of our interview series with two D three coaches of the year, Steve Kudelka of Lynchburg and Brandon Childs of York college. If you have not listened to the first two episodes in which we review the rich history of lacrosse success for these two men, as well as their relationship. Or coach Kudelka recruited coach and then mentored coach Childs at Lynchburg. Then I highly recommend you do so. You will find this interview in progress.

Jay: 1:35

And one of the things that I really noticed, I've coached youth lacrosse for about 20 years and right at that age that you mentioned, that middle school age is where the kids just, it should kind of stop getting better. And it's because it is game after game. And then as the kids get older, they're going to showcase that. To tournament to showcase and it's like, where are the skills? You know, it's like when they kind of think that they are playing in all these games and they have a lot of team practices and they can totally understand it's a big time commitment, but how many shots are they getting at a tournament where the games are 40 minutes long and it's probably a couple and then you're just not seeing the improvement. So that's, that's where I think the individual skills are really essential because they're, they're kind of missing that with their club teams. All right. So that's one thing, you know, we had down here on our, our question list. And that's one thing that we've kind of focused on is individual skill development. And I know, you know, just like Dom's Georgia, Steve, you love having great athletes out there. But if they can't really work the stick all that well at a certain age, like what, you know, what are the things you look for that are essential for skills for kids and what would you recommend they work on? Is the

Steve: 2:43

question. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's a, it's a really good question. I think, and, and Brandon, you know, spoke about several of the, the offensive ones, right. Like, you know, just and, and it, it's pretty neat. Like I remember sitting with Pete Milliman this summer and Pete's the head coach at Johns Hopkins and done a phenomenal job. And, you know, and he, he kind of watches games like he does his own practices, you know, and we were just talking about it and it makes perfect sense, right? There are skills that, you know, that fit our offensive game plan that, that I really like, you know, whether it's a, you know, how the attack would play, play behind the goal and, or are you an inside guy only, you know, are you the guy that kind of catches and finishes on the inside? I've Not that we've always had that, but I think that's a really good characteristic to have. And and then there's certain skill sets that, you know, people just have that, that, you know, innately make them stand out on the lacrosse field, you know, whether it's picking up a ground ball, moving it, head man in the ball, like how you play defense, stick in front defense, or, you know, put your stick on the guy's back. Do you put it in front naturally without being coached to do that when I'm watching you slide communication, how you talk and then, and then the goalies, you know, the goalies as you said earlier, a little different to begin with, but like there are some absolute core fundamentals in the goalie position that translate very well into the college game. And by the time we get them in college, if, if, if their habits are so maybe out of whack to some degree, they're very hard to break. You can break some other shooting habits and things like that, but it's amazing. You know, We have, we have a really talented group of freshmen, you know, at Lynchburg right now that, and some of them are getting some pretty significant minutes and like, but when, when the push comes to shove for them and they have that one shot, maybe it's an offensive player. They're always going to revert to the one that they've shot a million times in their backyard. You know? And so if we want them to shoot the ball a certain way, we almost just have to increase those reps where they beat what you did in the backyard. You know, and that might take a year. It might take two years. And that's something that we've always tried to work through. But, you know but we're really, you know, you're just, you're watching these events and you're going, and we see these kids so much. Now you're, you're trying to classify like, man, that kid, every time I see him play. He scores, he scores goals, he makes plays, he's a really good teammate he's making people around him better. Those are some of those things that you're looking for, you know, I know they're like some of those are intangibles, but but you'd be amazed at how many of those things stand out and, and, and, you know, you can, we can coach a lot of the other things. And I'm sure coach has got a much better answer for that because the skill set that he runs and how he does it, he's phenomenal with.

Jay: 5:28

Right. That's good though. Like I said, you're seeing them multiple times and then certain patterns start to emerge. So that, that definitely makes sense. And coach Childs, what would you say, what type of skills are like must for you and what would you recommend, you know, recruits work on, on their own?

brandon: 5:45

Yeah, I mean, I think just consistency with with the stick and, and your ability to well, let me back up. So I was fortunate over the last, I had a young man named Ryan Drenner who plays professionally. He played a Towson. He was on my staff for three years and I watched Ryan work with college guys but I also watched Ryan work with like my own son who's nine. And there's not much different. And I think that's the first thing that I would say to someone who's listening to this. You could be a 17 year old who thinks he's got it all figured out. But at the end of the day there's nothing too basic to perfect it. And that's what Ryan, having Ryan on my staff taught me. I'll use an interesting example, like the Dak Prescott warmup, where he's turning his hips, you know, you could tell the five star quarterback before Dak Prescott ever did that, I want you to do this drill. And he's like, why the heck am I going to do this? I don't need to do that. But now that Dak Prescott's doing it, the kid might do it. And that happens a lot where when I, when I would watch coach Strenor work with these, these older guys, there's like this sense of resistance in the beginning. Cause it feels too elementary. And so for an example, a very specific skill. Is transferring your weight to your back foot before you drive your weight through your front foot when shooting And it's something that he works on like I said himself But it's what he's teaching a nine year old, but it's also what he's teaching a 19 year old, right? Because as you advance to your point earlier and it becomes like more games and more showcases and more games What ends up happening in that time at practice is you're learning a new man up play, or you're learning like, well, last game we didn't guard pick so well. And so today we're going to do, you know, pick defense, pick offense. But what goes out the window is the fundamentals that you were taught when you were a kid. And if you don't go back to those fundamentals from time to time, then you're going to lose them. Right. And that applies to all of us. I mean, think of all of us. And in our generation that, you know, pretend to be golfers, right? It's like, if you're not putting well, again, I'm not a great golfer, so I probably shouldn't be using this analogy, but like, if you're not putting, you probably go to the putting green and you probably start real close to the hole and you probably work on your fundamentals of putting. If you're not making your foul shots and you're, you know, an NBA player, you probably get real close to the rim and you work on your follow through and then you back yourself up like It just makes sense. And so I think my advice to anyone listening would be like, you know, the skill, the stick skills are worth mastering and the, the devil's in the details with your stick skills. So whether it's the one example I gave of like transferring your weight. Or stepping away with your feet to make a pass because in order to clear your hands, you have to have good footwork, but try telling that to an 18 year old, you know, they're going to be like, what? Like, right. But that matters, you know, like I've yet to coach someone at York who is proficient at stepping away to clear their hands when they make a pass, the moment they come to campus. Not one time has anyone come in and that's that they're really good at that. If you do a stickwork drill with any college team and it's just their freshmen and you put them in a diamond And they have to drift into space Forward and the guy who's throwing has to step away and then throw them drifting into that space The ball will hit the ground. I don't care if it's Virginia or whoever the worst team is in the worst level of lacrosse, the ball's going to hit the ground because it's not a skill that they work on. But yet it's a skill that exists in all of our offenses now. Right. And every game, right. Yeah. And so like those kids might be better off not learning the new man up play, but doing a diamond stick work drill that may look like was designed for eight year olds, but. Again, if you don't work on those skills and perfecting those skills, then you're not gonna, you're not going to be able to make the simple play, you know, simple play is pretty darn effective in college lacrosse, you know, that drift through X, you know, like Yale drifting their attackman through X Brandau is a pretty effective play TJ Malone at Penn state and him playing behind the goal and being able to drift through X to either hand and just make a simple play like TJ Malone. I actually saw this yesterday cause I watched her game. And to be honest, he's like, he's pretty boring, but he's super, super consistent and always, always makes the right play. And I know because I know one of his high school coaches, he was a 6 a. m. at the school on the wall, kind of a guy. And I think it correlates. And so there's no drill that's too simple for an 18 year old to get back to basics.

Jay: 10:47

That's great. That's a great message. Cause TJ Malone had an amazing run in the, to the final four last year and he is just so sound fundamentally and one of the top point scorers in the country and and it's all basics. Yeah. I was working with a kid today who's right handed trying to get him to use his left hand more and he loved Paul Rabel. It's like, all right, how did Paul Rabel set the points record? He was running down the alley with his left hand and went from high to low. The most. basic shot you can take on the run. And I take clips and I keep that clip and, you know, just show them this is the stuff we need to work on. It may not be exciting, but you've got to build that muscle memory. You've got to be able to just hit that corner with velocity, with deception. And so good stuff. How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here.

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Dawg: 13:29

Guys, I got, I got one final thing, for our rapid, recruiting questions. I'm remember we had Dave Webster on from Dickinson and I remember him saying a really interesting thing. Jay and I were talking about, you know, just the quality of lacrosse at the division three level and how with more and more kids playing, Steve, I'm sure you've seen this over your time. Just talk about athletes. I'm sure you feel like you're getting better and better athletes. And and, but coach was saying, you know, in the recruiting, he just, there's so many kids who have never seen a division three game he would find. And he just said, I just need you to watch a division three game, you know, while he's recruiting them, just like, here's a link, just, just watch, you know? And so I wonder, you know, each of you guys are coaching at the highest levels of division three. Give our listeners a little advertisement for what they're missing. If they're not getting out to see a great division three game in their

Steve: 14:20

area. Right. And you want to go first? You want me to go first? I think you should go first. Okay. I, I think the best, you know I'll be selfish and then I'll go big time. So the selfish part of me says. You know, at Lynchburg, like, our field is smack in the middle of campus, and it is one of the best settings that I've been a part of for Division, you know, Division 1, Division 1 or Division 2, but Division 3 lacrosse, I think it's phenomenal. And so, I think the atmosphere at which some of these games exist are awesome. And I agree with Coach Webster, a ton of respect for Dave. Like the, that is a great point. I mean, the more you watch these games, you know, Centennial Conference games, Mid Atlantic Conference games, NESCAC games, ODAC games. I mean, you take, you know, a Lynchburg W& L ODAC game, you take a Stevenson York ODAC championship game, Tufts, you know you know, Tufts Amherst, like those games are, are unbelievably high quality. You know, this, this weekend, you saw the RPI. You know, overtime win over RIT and the fans stormed the field and it's snowing and like, it's pretty, it's pretty neat. And, and I think like, there's such a, there's such a blend of the student athletes at these schools within the school community that you're not just in a silo. Over, you know, you're in, you're in the same classes. You're, you're, you're participating in a lot of different groups and activities with these kids on campus. And so, not only is the lacrosse part really cool, but like, just the interaction that these students have with each other makes these small campus environments pretty, pretty special and pretty unique. And, you know, we only have about 2, 000 students at Lynchburg, so like, it's a pretty cool atmosphere when we have a big event, big game on campus. Soccer, basketball, lacrosse, it doesn't matter, baseball. We're going to get some pretty good turnouts for these events, and And it's just students rooting on students. And that's, at the core of this, that's what makes it really unique and special. And I'll let Brandon hit on the talent part, but That atmosphere of a college campus is, I don't know, It's probably what gets me up in the morning. It's a pretty exciting atmosphere for sure. That's awesome.

Jay: 16:33

And that's, that's Ron's brother, Scott Hackett Doglish, the big dog's little brother, little dog. Anyway.

Steve: 16:40

Great job.

Dawg: 16:42

So it was a fun game. I, I, I joked with him, I'm like, Hey Scott, that's a hell of a win. Did you draw up the overtime or you were going to turn it over three straight times in overtime, have your goalie make two point blank saves and then, you know, just score with three seconds left in overtime. And that's just how you draw it up, right? You know, that's great. What a great game that was. It was fun to watch. Thank you. Coach Charles, how about you for your division three lacrosse advertisement?

brandon: 17:09

Yeah, I think I was fortunate enough to coach, I actually coached Scott and with Webby. So I was, I got to work closely with him for three years. And Dave is Dave is very smart and he's very on point often. And this is a good one. Cause you know, you don't think to ask a kid that you do, you, we, we probably work on the assumption, of course, they've watched the division. It's a great point I've found in recruiting. We have the most success when families visit in the season. So whether it's they came to a game where they where they came to watch practice as opposed to them coming in the summer when they don't feel the atmosphere that coach was talking about. And yeah, I mean, the talent is, it's insane. I mean, you know, there's, there's division three players playing professionally. There's division three players, although I don't love it, but there's division three players that are leaving and transferring and playing division one. And so from a talent standpoint You know, like, I don't know, I guess I can say this. This seems arrogant or whatever, but I can see it when I can see it. I mean, your brother's team, they have the, they have a defender. He wears number 37. I think he's one of the best defenders in the country and would start on any division one roster right now. You know, last week we played against St. Lawrence. They have a left handed attackman who would start on any team in the country. And you see it with the COVID fifth year thing and guys using that last year to go to vision one. It's just proven to everybody that there's players at all divisions that can play. And then again, the other thing that's unique about division three is everyone, not everyone, but a big majority of the teams, you know, in the middle of April are still competing to win championships. And that isn't the case in division one. And so what you're seeing, you know, like. No one could ever convince me that contentment doesn't creep in when your season has already been written in terms of ability to win it all. And when you're in the middle of April and you're, you know, battling for the 5 4 and only four teams make the playoffs, like, that game has a different level of intensity than some of the ones that are happening in Division 1. And so when you pop it on, you see, like, Contested ground balls. And I mean that exact play, the RPI play at the end, the goalie makes the save and the ball goes up. And it's like, it's like those are the plays that happen when there's 15 seconds left in a tie game between the 15th and the 14th in the conference, when only one team's making the playoffs. And I don't want to pick on anybody, but I can think of like some, like some examples right now in division one, where some of those teams, like they're, they're. The end's already been written for them. And I think it creates like a higher level of competition throughout the Full duration of the season, but

Jay: 20:12

nice. I

Dawg: 20:13

like it. Well, I, I can just say like the quality of lacrosse that's going on at your guys schools and in division three, if people have not taken a look, they need to take a look and then just talking to both of you, you know, I don't know who, what parent wouldn't want their son playing for one of you. At your schools and, and playing at the quality of lacrosse that you guys are coaching at. So it's been really fun to talk to you, Jay. I'm wondering if we could, we should flash ahead to our, our r and reporter, Steve Gsfi at this point. Let's

Jay: 20:44

do that. I don't want to keep these guys up all night. So, yeah, let's bring Steve, this, this part of the

Dawg: 20:48

show fell, is taking a little different

Jay: 20:49

flavor. Be fun. We just wanna warn you and fun.

Steve: 20:51

Okay. Yeah. So I'm reaching into the mailbag and you know, you never really know what you're gonna get. So hopefully these questions you know, will be entertaining, but also shed a little light on your respective programs.

Jay: 21:02

And I'm just going to throw out there, our D3 interview with Coach Webster and Hackett Doglish was like number two on the list for, for numbers of downloads. So, Steve's going to help make it even higher. You guys are going to break that record.

Steve: 21:18

Go for it. All right. The first question is for Coach Podelka. When initially contacting prospective recruits, do you lead with Lynchburg's 60 40 female to male ratio on campus? Or do you save that statistic for later as the closer in the pitch

Jay: 21:35

to the student?

Steve: 21:37

It it, it typically will, it will come up at some point nice through the conversations or, you know, from a standpoint of just letting them know what our student population is. You know, you're just sharing information, coach, just, it's it's it's a population it that's, it's it is what it is, you know, it's a statistic that is there. And You know, we're very fortunate having, you know, 2000 undergrads and we got, you know, grad school. That's why we changed the name to university of Lynchburg. So in all those conversations, a lot, a lot of statistics come on. I'm a statistics guy, so I like throwing out stats. So they, they, they will come up every once in a while. I guess we can refer to coach child suit. Was that a factor when determining where you decided to

Jay: 22:16

matriculate numbers on your side?

brandon: 22:19

Yeah, well, I went to an all boys school, so I graduated with 68 guys, so it probably didn't hurt.

Steve: 22:29

Alright. Letter number two Are any of the freshmen arriving on campus disappointed to learn that the Jack Daniels Whiskey Distillery is actually located in Lynchburg, Tennessee? I hope, I hope that is not one of the top five reasons that they're coming to our school. You know, that, that, that question is, has never really come up, honestly, but I'm sure that there's some confusion when, when, when doing you know, especially on Google or things like that. That's for sure.

Jay: 22:57

Never been accused of the bait and switch.

Steve: 22:59

And at last what's a thing or two that you would like some high school recruits to know about Lynchburg as they begin their search for a program? You know, I think we just actually thrown out this brand new marketing theme and which is really exciting called undeniably life changing. And we, we have a brand new marketing person on campus who met with everybody. And. I think it's an awesome, I like slogans. I've always been a slogan guy. So I think that's a pretty cool slogan has, you know, the U and the L in there. And it's also got the L and the C to kind of cover the history of the school with Lynchburg college. And we, you know, we're in a book colleges that change lives. And it's something that we really really try to hit home with a lot of our families, that this is a place that you can, ton of different majors, and hopefully through your experiences playing on the lacrosse team as well, only add to that, but you know, we believe that we can have a major impact in someone's someone's life, not only for four years, but for the next four years as well.

Jay: 23:52

Awesome. And just

Steve: 23:54

to touch on what you were saying earlier about the location of your stadium and the you know, the very close connection to the community that you know, the D three programs have my daughter's about to graduate from Wesleyan and their football field is actually the main green. You know, and they just like they put stripes on it. They put this the You know the stands up and then they they play their games right on the main green surrounded by all the buildings And it's one of the coolest sporting events. You can go to that's awesome. So yeah, you can just feel it It's just different. All right, these next batch of letters come in for coach childs niche. com ranks york college as one of the best colleges in the country for sports management And also criminal justice studies You Do these particular pair of rankings have anything to do with the men's lacrosse program or is that just a coincidence? Have you ever had to bail

Jay: 24:45

anybody out? You know, yeah, this is what you

Steve: 24:50

get. Yeah,

Dawg: 24:51

Steve is from Long Island Brandon just to be clear. Okay So this all makes sense, you know the clientele from welcome to my world

brandon: 25:00

Yeah, I can appreciate that. I've had several lacrosse players study both criminal justice and sports management. I was a sports management major when I was in school, so it's probably the one that I have observed the closest. And our program is top notch for sure. So not surprising that that would make this website. Also not surprising that a guy from Long Island would try to find out why they're, why they're connected. So I'm just wondering.

Steve: 25:27

Oh God. Don Brennan. I

Dawg: 25:33

think you've met your match. Good selfie.

Steve: 25:37

This next question is going to be a little tough because I'm going to have to act it out a little bit. But whoever wrote in gave a little, watch out when making initial contact with a recruit. Do you ever find yourself in an Abbott and Costello bit and then they have I'll try to act it out. Like, hello, this is coach Charles from your college. I haven't committed to a college yet. I know our college is your college. I don't understand. What's the name of your college? That's right. That is the name of our college is your college. Who's college? Your college. So that could go on and on. Has that happened to anyone on, on your staff yet? And have you addressed this in any

brandon: 26:13

meetings? Yeah. Well, so that's the first thing I do on a job interview for one of my assistants is I play that whole thing out and see how long they'll they'll laugh alongside of me and if they get the joke, then we'll hire them. But fortunately you know, fortunately that hasn't presented itself, but we're always prepared. That's the one thing that we try to hang our hat on at York is that us as coaches will always be prepared. So we'll, we'll, we definitely have our assistants prepared for it. Outstanding.

Steve: 26:41

So this third letter is actually just a list of very cool facts that we discovered about York College, and we just wanted to list them and then maybe ask you to embellish. So York College's predecessor, York County Academy, received its charter from the General Assembly of Pennsylvania in 1787. The city of York was the first capital in the United States and the birthplace of the Articles of Confederation and where the words, the United States of America, were first spoken. I thought that was very cool. I guess during this, during the Revolutionary War in 1877, we dec, we declared York as the country's capital. What else would you like potential recruits to know about York College as they embark on their

Jay: 27:19

recruiting journey?

brandon: 27:21

Yeah those facts, those facts don't don't come up. I'll tell you one thing that's just awesome about our school is just our location is just super, convenient to having a really great experience. Our roster is just very geographically diverse and, and proximity to Philadelphia, Baltimore, DC. You get a kid from Texas or California that come out and your favorite sports team, your favorite band just whatever it is that you could do is going to come within a one hour radius of our campus. And we're fortunate, that we are in a city with a lot of history, as you noted. And it is a city. It's not this small little town. There's like a city feel to it. But you know, 10 minutes outside of the city, you know, you could be kayaking or hiking. And and so it's, it's, it's people when they come to York are always a bit surprised. You were surprised by those. Intriguing facts. But I think if you came and visited the school and visited the city and saw it, you would be as in interestingly, you know, surprised and intrigued by, it's, it's a lot more than meets the eye, you know? Based on kind of the assumptions you'd have, you know, driving to what you may perceive to be like a small Pennsylvania town. There's a bit more to it than that.

Jay: 28:38

Nice. Outstanding. Alright, well thank you guys for your time. Great answer.

Dawg: 28:41

I'd like to say that I think Coach Charles has a career in politics. That was a classic, just redirect everything that Steve throws at you, try to turn it into a sensible answer. Not easy. Not easy. Again, I

brandon: 28:54

worked for three years for Dave Webster. I, you know, I learned from the best.

Jay: 29:00

Nice. Well, guys. Thanks

Steve: 29:02

so much. This is awesome.

Dawg: 29:04

Really appreciate the time and and wish you guys all the best as as you say, April is upon us and a lot of important lacrosse to be played in your two conferences. So best of luck down the stretch

brandon: 29:15

here. Absolutely. Great. guys. You're

Jay: 29:17

very welcome. Yeah. What we'll do is look to put it out probably in a week and we'll give you guys a heads up. And you know, if you want to put it on social media, that sort of thing, we'll I'll email you and we'll take it from there, but thanks so much for coming on. It was really great.

brandon: 29:32

For sure.

Dawg: 29:34

Any good material on my brother. You know, I'm always looking for something to get that little, and now, now that he's number two in the country is fricking ego. Good Lord. I mean, you know,

brandon: 29:44

I know I got one funny story. So Webby always does the secret Santa. And there was another family from Chester town on the team. The Matthews and the younger one, Russell was a goalie. And for secret Santa, he took his right hand and like, and, and you know, drew it out in a piece of cardboard and then cut it out. And then he wrote this long letter to dagger that said you know, I grew up playing with you. I've known you my whole life. I really wanted to get you something that I thought you could use. And so here's a right hand and he gave him a cardboard cut out of a right hand. And it was very, very appropriate to Scott being so left hand dominant, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. That is awesome. The older of the Matthews, the older of the Matthews boys, Walker was that way all the time. He always had like some quick liner, but Russell was kind of quiet and to himself. So it kind of came from a unsuspecting source too, but. So yeah, Christmas or something, you could steal that. Give Scott a right hand for Christmas.

Jay: 30:50

And Steve, did you know Jeff Cohart from Wilton?

Steve: 30:54

The name does not sound familiar. No.

Jay: 30:56

Okay. Cause he, he went to Garden City. He was like two years younger than me and he lived in Wilton at one point and then moved to Garden City. So I was throwing that out there. Did you ever meet Coach Witten?

Steve: 31:08

Yes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

Jay: 31:10

great. Yeah. He was a coach. He coached me when I was on the U19 USA team. Oh my God. Dog claims that I try to bring it up in every podcast.

brandon: 31:18

We almost got

Dawg: 31:19

one episode where Jay didn't mention that he was on the U19 team.

Steve: 31:23

Right in the final hour. Like three seconds left and he just snuck it in. I'm like, hold on, hold on. I mean, he's

brandon: 31:29

naming names. The coach is like, no, I have

Dawg: 31:31

no idea. Well, he coached me on the U19 team. Thanks everybody.

Jay: 31:34

Good

brandon: 31:36

Every

Dawg: 31:37

time. Unbelievable. It

brandon: 31:39

worked.

Jay: 31:40

It worked. At the buzzer. Right at the buzzer. Oh my god. Well, thanks a million, guys. This was awesome. Thank you. We'll drop it off. Awesome night. All right,

Steve: 31:48

guys. We'll be in touch. See y'all. Have a great one. guys. All right, guys. Good luck. Take care.

Ron: 31:53

until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.