S1 E42. The Most Humorous & Surprising Revelations of Season I, Part II.

We’re very excited to bring you our final episodes of our first season of the Get The Lax Scoop podcast! Over our first forty episodes we’ve learned a lot from our guests; some of the biggest names in the game and we hope you have too. 

For this next series we wanted to shift gears so we've put together a number of the most humorous and surprising answers we received from our guests this year. 

Co-hosts Jay McMahon & Ron Dalgliesh really enjoyed cueing up each clip and then providing some commentary and we think you’ll enjoy it just as much. 

We want to say to all our listeners and our prior guests, thanks so much for a fabulous first season!  You’ve asked for it so you’ll get: next season we will have some SWAG as well as a Patreon page available! 

Please enjoy the episode & Happy Holidays Everyone! 

All the best, 

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Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

0:51

Hello again everybody, and welcome to a special holiday edition of Get the Lack Scoop. Very special, Ron. Well, Jed, I see you're in the holiday spirit with your little. Red, white and green outfit there. Very, very holiday spirit of you. Very festive. And what are you, I see you're wearing the same old pullover. I mean, did you even watch that thing? You wore the same one every episode. Jay, this is supposed to be a celebration. Jay, it's an athletic podcast. Under Armour, Adidas, for Christ's sake. This isn't a show about the North Pole, Jay. And little Irish elves. You are the epitome. Epitome of athleticism, Ron, so I'm glad you're really on board. You're damn right, Jay. Uh, Jay, so I understand you've done some crack editing of perhaps the most surprising and humorous Snippets that we've gotten from our guests throughout the year. So many great little snippets, so many things to be happy for during this holiday season, Ron. And one of them at the end of our first season, is to just say thanks to all our guests, to all our listeners and let out this hilarity and some of these surprising answers. on to our next clip we have from our episode Married to Lacrosse with Tom and Lynn Dwyer. Lynn won a national championship at Harvard in 1990 and Tom Dwyer. Did not, but he was a nice little player as we get into a nice little player. Nice little player. Yep. And a good friend of ours. And, but this is great cause they're talking, you know, we're saying how important lacrosse is with relationships. One interview after the next. And then we interviewed Tom and Lynn and they met, uh, they'd never met before. They were out in England and they meet coaching lacrosse. And then the day they get married is what this clip is all about. So listen into this. Let me get this thing set up here.

Jay: 2:47

Hey. Hey, Lynn. I seem to recall a story that you and Tom's wedding teammates who were coming to the wedding were encouraged to pack their sticks. Why would that be Lynn? Well,

Lynn: 2:59

we ended up having a lacrosse game, an entire full field game the day of our wedding, prior to the wedding.

Jay: 3:08

That is amazing.

Steve: 3:10

And it

Lynn: 3:10

was Team Fran Joni against teamed Dwyer and. You can guess which team won

Jay: 3:17

I look, I made a very strategic mistake. I picked one of Lynn's teammates, Jenny Walser, who was a fabulous player on that team, scored the winning goal in the championship game. And then I picked Rich Tooey, my buddy who was all American at Brown, who you guys know and I didn't realize that they were gonna be flirting with each other during the game, right? totally distracted each other. So basically nullified each other. And my two of my top draft picks basically were ineffective during the game. And that's the story. And I error the unsung MVP of our team was actually Tate who played goal. Matthew Taylor that chap who played goalie. Jay, it seems, it seems like Tom might want to use that hotline. I hear a lot of excuses coming. Yes, Tom might wanna change his metal mindset, Jack some mindset. Just a little bit. Need some serious work. Need more than a minute. There's a mindset hour he does later in the day. I'll give you that line later.

4:15

Good stuff there from the Dwyers. Yeah, I mean, any commentary there Ronbo? Well, it just, Reminds me again of the, the relationships in the game. Jay, you and I went up to Lake Placid where, you know, Tom Dwyer started the, the Brown state, Lake Placid lacrosse team with coach Tiffany. That's been going on for like 25 years now and an hour up there this summer. And, and, you know, we talked over in the podcasts again, if you want to listen to two people who have been on the ground, really understanding the recruiting, they've built a great. Both boys and girls, youth programs in the Philadelphia area. And then, you know, their three kids have all gone on, uh, to be recruited in both college lacrosse and hockey. And so proud of, two of the Dwyer young women who, are playing for the U 18, national teams, or they're both playing hockey at Cornell. And, and on the national hockey team. Yeah. Pretty amazing. Yeah. The U. S. National Collegiates, which is one step below the national team, so they're both sort of in that track, and the oldest of the Dwyer girls who plays, uh, women's across Cornell, so just a tremendous family. No doubt. So sticking with family matters here, Ron, we've got your brother who was a head coach at RPI, Scott Hackett Douglas, and his kind of mentor. It was his. college coach at Dickinson, Coach Webby, Coach Webster. And we're talking about recruiting and what were the impressions that Scott had as a undergrad. He's a high school senior going on campus, checking out the school for the first time and meeting this impressive figure in his life. Who would, I mean, he's probably had more of an impact on his life than hardly anyone else outside of his big brother, Ron, of course, of course, let's, let's see what coach Scott Hackett Douglas of RPI has to say about his initial encounter with his lifetime mentor,

Scott: 6:19

I think I visited late in the summer going into my senior year. I remember kind of walking out on the field with my parents and Weby and Coach Horn, and then I remember coming up for an overnight in the fall, and I'm assuming that probably November, December, maybe even after getting accepted, I committed, relatively late at least compared to how things operate,, these days. But I wanted to go to a small liberal arts school. I wanted to be far enough away from home, that mom and dad couldn't show up unannounced, but close enough that I could get home, if I wanted to and then certainly meeting, Webby and his staff and, getting a chance to step foot on campus., I fell in love pretty quickly.

Ron: 6:58

Coach Webster. I was hoping he was gonna get around to you, like maybe you had something to do. I mean, does he know what we're doing here? I mean, Jesus, I thought we it was gonna be Coach Webster. Really? Yeah. Made a huge impact on me this time to ask you question. Right, exactly.

Jay: 7:13

Big brother. Back off, buddy. Back off. Stay in your lane.

7:16

Good stuff there. Well, well, Jay, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna go back to this. I mean, just for our audience, you know, coach Webster, uh, the head coach at Dickinson who's built an incredible program, you know, that's consistently been ranked in the top 10 in the country and been on the cusp of division three, uh, final fours, you know, who my brother played for and has mentored him now onto a division three coach. I mean, Barely mentions coach Webster as the reason he goes to Dickinson. So, you know, I'm, I'm just gonna, I think I was right on in my analysis, Jay, but, but, but you know, more seriously, this was a great podcast in terms of, us talking about, there's a place for every player., and I love, I remember coach Webster saying, you know, when he's recruiting a player to division three, asking them if they've watched the division three game. And I know you and I talked about that. Quality of, of lacrosse at the division three level and how, you know, there's some just great programs and great opportunities for kids to continue to play at the next level with what's happening in division three lacrosse today. Absolutely. I remember that well, that he made that point and the quality is just there and you know, young players out there who have their heart set on D1 and if it doesn't work out, a lot of them end up not playing when they really should. You know, take a look at these d3 programs and they would not be disappointed. So good stuff Now our next clip is with coach Doug Tarring and he was a two time national champion At University of Virginia and he's originally from Baltimore And then he stayed on in the Charlottesville area and became a legendary high school coach at St Ann's Bellfield, but the really cool thing about this clip is He was, you know, you think back then, you know, wood sticks, where they using those back in the 1920s, this is in the 70s, you know, he played on a team that won the national title in 1970 at UVA with wood sticks. And then by the time he's a senior. It's the first time teams are playing with plastic sticks ever. So this is a neat clip, and uh, we'll get this set up and let it roll

Ron: 9:25

Seems like you had a hell of a run with that group from 70 through 72. 70 you were named National Champs, but that was before there was actually a tournament. And so you guys were on that cuffs when the National Championship Tournament started. And I think in 71 you had an undefeated regular season, then lost to Navy in the playoffs, and then in 72 you got a little revenge and beat a great Hopkins team to win the outright title. So talk about that progression, as you just said, of starting six freshmen that kind of success at the national level over the next three years.

Doug: 9:59

What's interesting about those years, is that it was transitional not only for, first year guys or freshmen to be playing, varsity lacrosse, right. What was interesting is we were a transitional team, not only in terms of that, we were also a transitional team between icks and plastic sticks. Mm. Our first two years, we played with wood stakes. Wow. And when we graduated in 1972, we were the first team to win a national championship playing with plastic sticks.

10:24

Pretty cool. Nice little piece of history there, Ronbo. Yeah, and you know, Jay, the other thing I was reflecting on is, is those of us, you know, who have gotten so much out of the game, how many Doug Terrings are there out there? You know, he reminds me like another Alan Lowe, right? Who just, You know, he, I remember him talking about the national convention and encouraging young coaches to come to the convention and learn how to better themselves. And, you know, he just strikes me as another one of those guys that's so much, so many people like us just owe a debt of gratitude to for just the amount of energy and passion and time they poured into the game. And, you know, There was not a lot of lacrosse going on in Charlottesville, Virginia, beyond UVA. And he just kind of built up the game in that region. And so, and, and just what a great guy. Um, so other than having to talk about again, more of your U 19 world team experience where he was, well, he was my assistant coach actually, Ron turns. And, uh, and he was a representative from the great state of Virginia where I reside now. But you're right. He built up lacrosse in that area and he was rewarded with being an assistant coach on that team. And then he produced a lot of great players. You know, Jay Stauffert was an All American goalie at Brown who went to St. Ann's Bellfield and Connor Schellenberger. Went to St. Ann's Belfield. So three time first team All American at UVA right now. So his legacy continues. So it's a beautiful thing Now you got any other comments there Ron? No, just the other thing Jay is like I felt like You know, he's a, let's say a little bit more senior to us, but I felt like, you know, we could have played on the same team, like again, the connection of the game across generations, you know, and just loving the game. It just felt like I was talking to somebody who I, I went to college with, you know, so it was just again, neat. Thanks for bringing him to the, to the show and to our audience. Cause not someone I knew, but, but really great to spend some time with him. That's great. And again, you know that, that under 19 Team USA team that I was on again, just adding more to the platform and more to our, our season. And I'm just so glad I had that experience. And I'm sure you are too, Ron. Oh, Jay, I mean, I've never heard you mention it. So I'm glad we got that out. We did win gold, of course, in Australia. And I was named to the all tournament team. And I was the captain of the team. There was a couple other co captains, but I just, you know, want to get that out there. I don't know if anyone knew that. Jay, thank God we've gotten that information out of him. Thank God. In the spirit of the holidays, Jay, I'm gonna say You know, you were one hell of a player and, you know, I am going to just, I'm just going to be a giver right now, Jay. And I might point out, uh, Darren Lowe did not make that team. So, he was a year younger, but let's be clear. Jay, that doesn't seem to be in the holiday spirit, Jay. I'm just, it's fact. That does not seem, Darren, I apologize. You, I want to go back earlier. I think I was singing your praises of what a great player you were. He was amazing. And again, uh. I just want to bring our listeners in to this was what I had to live with, Jay and Darren, you know. Well, Andrew Towers was on that team as well, Ron, and he was a heck of a player. Only two midfielders on our team were selected to all tournament, myself and Andrew Towers. And but the fact is, I was the captain and I did start and Andy did not. Jay, I think the one thing our listeners would appreciate right now is us moving on to the next clip. Jay. All right. That's a good point, Ron. All right. I digress. It's, it's wonderful. Anyway, we've got, we're really changing gears here. We're going to talk about, Greg Catrano and Brett Froude playing in the dome and having a great game and being very close to beating Syracuse, which unfortunately I don't know that they ever did. I think it was a couple Oh, no, we did Jay. I was, I was working with the team. We blew out. Syracuse in the dome, but not on this particular occasion, right? And they are, I remember in this situation, they were winning. I went back to look at the, cause it was online. Look at this game and Brown is winning 12 to 11 and who goes down there, but a guest of the show, Rick, the beast Beardsley. to score the game tying goal and then Syracuse would win. So ouch. But here's how, here's how Rick Beardsley would celebrate. So we'll, we'll cue this thing up, let it roll, and then uh, we can discuss. Topic number three is the archer post goal. Selly, is this a pass or a fail? I'm gonna go with,, I can't go neutral here. I'm gonna go with fail. I don't like to see too many, uh, you know, you score a goal, just, you know, get ready for the next play. We don't need to overdo it. But it is exciting for the player, the fans out there to see some of that stuff. Did you do a selly when you scored your multiple goals? I ran back to the goal. I had to get ready for the next play. I'm wondering if the big goal scorer, Brett Fruitt, has a different perspective on the post goal celebration. I definitively do not. Um, I am the fun police, but I did laugh when you asked about a celebration, that still I picture to today. We were at the dome in 95 and Rick Beardsley scored three goals on us. And on his third, he came up in front of our bench and gave the three, to coach brush and coach lasagna, from about three feet away. Loved playing against that guy. Such a character, such a. Great defender, right? Like he's he made lacrosse fun. He could get away with the celebrations and just a guy you want to compete against. But I'll never forget that. And they beat us 13 12 in the dome. With Rick having three. I also, I also recall him leaving a message on my voicemail as well. Uh, that he scored three goals on me. So, yes, the celebration continued into the evening. Okay, we'll give that up. We'll, we'll give that a resounding fail. Incredible. Pass for creativity. Right. Jay, again, like I'm going to give our alma mater a shout out in terms of the influence that Brown lacrosse alums continue to have on the game. You know, as we talked about in that episode, Greg Catrano just being inducted into the Pro Lacrosse Hall of Fame, I think what is the only one of 15. Uh, members of the pro lacrosse hall of fame. Um, that's the level he played out. And now Brett fruit, who's the commissioner of the national lacrosse league. And Jay, I, it's been fun for me to see some of the marketing and promotion. Uh, that the NLL is, uh, putting out there this year as their season's gotten underway and it's a marked difference. Um, and, and so you can see the leadership that bread fruits bring into that game and to the game of lacrosse overall with some of the recent announcements about how the different leaders of the game are coming together to try to maximize the opportunity that the Olympics are going to bring. So beyond the hilarious story of Rick Beardsley,, you know, just two incredible leaders in the game. Good work being done and, it was great stuff. And strangely enough, I saw something on like some podcast. Not that I'm a big astrology person, but they're like, it's the age of Aquarius. You will start seeing people coming together and working together. And that, and that. Popped up right after I heard that and all these different branches of lacrosse, the PLL, the indoor league, you know, women, men, all this stuff coming together to try to build the game. I mean, it is, it's really amazing. It's good stuff. Yeah. And Jay, it's not to toot our own horn, but it's been great for us to have a number of the people who are playing a lead role in those efforts, on the podcast. So it's been fun to sort of get a firsthand, insight. Into what's happening. And I, I just also want to say, you know, having been on the Brown lacrosse coaching staff when Greg Catrano and Brett food were playing, they're just, they're just, it's just fun to see what great human beings they've grown into, beyond what they're accomplishing in lacrosse. So More good stuff, Jay. Right, absolutely. And we had the CEO of USA Lacrosse, Mark Riccio, on. And, yeah, I mean, he would echo all those sentiments. And he certainly had quite a large role in helping get lacrosse into the Olympics in LA in 2028. All good stuff. Yeah, Jay and I'd encourage our listeners to go back and listen to that episode with, with Mark because he was clearly alluding to the work that he was trying to do to bring all these different organizations that support the game and to take advantage of, of hopefully then they were, they were just hoping at that point that the Olympics was going to become final on since then it has. And I think if you go back and listen to that episode with Mark, you can hear. All the work that was happening, he wasn't able to name it then, but clearly was alluding to some of the things they were trying to do to take maximum advantage of this Olympic opportunity. That's so true. And then when they had that day recently, they were at the U. S. Stock Exchange, got to ring the bell, and they had all those members. That's what he was saying. In one week, or maybe two weeks, he had spoken to almost every leader in lacrosse. Yeah. And he had that whole thing being worked on. That was amazing. And I think it's a challenge to all of us, Jay. I want, I want to think about how, you know, we, with this podcast and, and me in my own way, um, you know, I think Mark was challenging all of us as Brett sort of was too, and talking about the grassroots needs to continue to grow the game and, and that we may be at a unique moment in time where all of us who care about lacrosse leading up to the Olympic moment. And beyond can really play a role in, and again, possibly a once in a generation opportunity to explode the game even further. Absolutely. And that takes us up to our next clip, kind of nicely, Ron, talking grassroots. We're talking about Harlem Lacrosse Boston and how Pat Cronin, their executive director, Got together with Sam Jackson, coach Sam Jackson at a Vermont high school. And they were able to take these kids at a pivotal time. Like they're in this program, starting maybe in the fifth grade, they get through middle school and then it's kind of a turning point. They're going, a lot of them are going to different schools and are they going to stay with Harlem lacrosse? And, um, so they put together this camp that you and I contribute to, the show contributes to as well. Um, and then big contributions from friends of ours, like. J. P. Williamson and Sean Stolfert helped make this camp happen. And this is the kind of grassroot stuff you were just talking about. And, uh, now, Pat Cronin grew up in Boston. He played for, before it was Harlem Lacrosse, it was, I think it was just Boston Lacrosse. It was called Metro Lacrosse, uh, back then. Yeah. Thank you. And that's how he was introduced to it, and he continues on to this day. So we'll listen to this clip from Pat Cronin, Executive Director of Harlem Lacrosse Boston.

Pat: 21:24

So my origins in lacrosse are, kind of the whole reason why I, worked from home lacrosse.

21:28

Now I did go to Boston Latin School for high school, but at the time there was no lacrosse program there. So my first introduction to lacrosse was with Metro Lacrosse as a participant. So in the fifth or sixth grade. Oh, wow. Metro lacrosse is a community based. youth development program in Boston that had a very similar mission to what Hong Lacrosse has now. And they would pop into different middle schools throughout the inner city and just introduce the sport during gym class, indoor balls, lacrosse sticks, and pass out flyers to participate in the free program for kids that wanted to. So I took the flyer home, with my twin brother and my dad, who I'd never heard of lacrosse, but he's from Ireland, and thought it would be very similar to the sport of hurling. So he wanted to get us involved with the sport to keep us in shape for football. So registration was free. And that's how we began just, a spring season in fifth or sixth grade, and we ended up participating with Metro Lacrosse all the way up through high school graduation. Wow. That's awesome. The funny part was, I, until I was older, until I'd been playing lacrosse for two or three years, I, I'm probably one of the only people you'll ever meet that actually thought lacrosse was a predominantly black sport because all of my teammates, right, were black. And it wasn't until I was, we took a family vacation to the Cape. You know, maybe two years after. And as we're driving through these suburbs, I see lacrosse nets in people's backyards and kids playing at the park. And I'm like, where did all these white kids learn how to play lacrosse?

Jay: 22:56

That's hilarious.

22:57

Yeah, Jay, I was, first of all, first of all, if, you know, I kind of hate to say that, but if there's one episode you want to go back and listen to, uh, for our listeners, go listen to this one, the work that Pat Cronin's doing, um, is just, uh, so meaningful to the growth of the game. And Jay, I was just reflecting on, I believe, uh, Doug. Taring, who we were talking about, coached Sean Stolfrid and J. P. Williamson, who are a key part of the financial backers of this. Of course, Dom Stargis played an enormous role, in Harlem Lacrosse. You know, one of, one of our teammates, Sam Jackson, who opens up his boarding school up in Vermont to the summer camp that Pat was talking about. Again, just the incredible interconnections in the game, that make some of these really remarkable programs possible. Right. Absolutely. And look at the statistics, you know, since we donate to them, they sent us all these stats on the program and it's amazing they go into these situations where not many of the kids are, you know, actually even graduating from middle school, much less high school. You've got a hundred percent graduation rate in middle school and like. 88 percent in high school, whereas the actual school's graduation rate is more like 60 percent or something. So it's just amazing. And then a number of those kids go on to play college lacrosse. I think they had 60 kids playing coming out of Harlem lacrosse program based out of five cities, across the nation. So just a great thing and really great grassroots. But let's get back to something. Enjoyable and that's super enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, but let's get back to something more silly. And this was the legend Rick the Beast Beardsley talking about what it was like in practice. He'd be going up against a lot of these top players from Syracuse. And, uh, and he's a great guy, but he's funny how, confident he is, Ron. Let's just say he's super confident. Definitely not lacking in confidence. So this clip really highlights that, and then we can discuss afterwards.

Ron: 24:59

to hear that intriguing

25:01

Story, please tune in next week. As we continue with our final series of our first season,

Ron: 25:07

until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.