S1 E39. Syracuse 4 X All American and Professional Skills Trainer Ric "The Beast" Beardsley, Part II.

In this second installment of our three part interview series with four time Syracuse All American, Ric Beardsley, we hear of three fundamental keys that he teaches all defenders at his private clinics. Co-host Jay McMahon also weighs in on what he considers the three keys for all offensive players in the game of lacrosse when prompted by co-host Ron “The Big Dawg” Dalgleish.

Ric also shares a set back he experienced during his freshman year that he used as an opportunity to reset himself and completely revamp his game. 

Finally, Ric opens up about what his college coaches, Hall of Famers Roy Simmons, Jr. and John Desko, were like behind the scenes. And he shares how these two very successful yet very different coaches complemented each other throughout their careers. 

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Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

1:01

Hello, everyone. And welcome back. We're excited to bring you part two of our three part series with four time. All American defenseman from Syracuse university. Rick the beast beardsley you will find our interview in progress

Ron: 1:16

It's all about the fundamentals, right? So I want to ask each of you, Rick, you got a new kid coming to your clinic. You see the raw talent. What are the three things, right, that you say you got to build that foundation from the ground up that can get you to become a great takeaway defenseman, but you'll never get there if you don't do these three things. And then Jay, I'd love to hear you do the same on the offensive side. You know, what are the three things that you got to develop to become a great offensive player? You go ahead. For me, it's really easy. It's have great feet, have great hips, and have really balanced hands. And those three things, people like, what do you mean by that? Obviously great feet. It's simple, right? The way you get great feet is you work on them. You work on patterns. You work on a footwork ladder. Like I'm talking about my youngest daughter is, you know, a 28, she's five, 11, 160 pounds, Viviana, and she's a monster. She can shoot the hell out of the ball. She's going to be very good. But her feet aren't like her older sisters and I, I just am like, all right, you got to get on a footwork ladder because I have seen the development of how footwork helps. And then all the questions I've ever spoke to, or I've ever asked the college coaches, what do you do when you have the certain number of hours in the off season? D guys are like footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, right? Hips. Hips, all the defensemen in the country, most of them do not play with their hips down. Watch every highlight film or highlight video on Instagram of some defenseman getting smoked. Watch the guy off ball. If their hips aren't down, they're not in an athletic position. They will not be recruited at the next levels, right? And then balance. They're off balance. Yeah. Balanced hands is different for me. You guys maybe never heard this. So your stick, when it is horizontal to the ground and level, your feet are your stick. Okay. First and foremost. So if your feet are, if the stick's balanced, your feet are balanced. If the stick's down, you're on your toes, the stick's back, you're on your heels. So when you're in a good broken down stance, your stick has to be covering field. Off ball, whole nother scenario. You want to cover, right, passing, you cover air. But hands are the most valuable balancing thing in your world. Everybody always said, Oh, I catch up with your feet. Oh, you're off balance. If you have comfortable hands, you have comfortable feet. And most coaches teach it all differently, right? There's all different verbiage. I heard a guy the other day in one of the videos, cause I watch a ton of them on social media. He said, hands in front of your body, use your reach, use your length. But for me, hands in front of my body are for balance inside my shoulders, balancing my hips, allowing me to be athletic. So hands. Hips and footwork. You get those three. You're going to maximize. You're not going to be a division one all american. You're not going to be a world teamer. You may be, but you will maximize the basics of the position and be able to maximize yourself moving forward. Then you could talk about, you know, a drop, a kayak, a backyack, a chi chi, a two handed slap, a two handed wrap. A, a back, a a, a back brain slap. You could talk about a back yak. You could talk about a rip, you could talk about a pencil. You could talk about a two-handed pencil. You could talk about the pull, right. You could talk about the, you know, you have so many of those checks that Jay, this is Jay, this is a Brian. You know those checks? You're a defenseman man. Yeah. Jay, I, I was just gonna say, this is a window into why I was like. A little sliver of the defenseman that Rick was, I don't even know half those checks, let alone ever, ever conceived throwing them. Listen, I did start for Brown football and you do have an Ivy, you know what I always used to say, right? So I say it all the time. I played for the Harvard alumni team and Lake Placid guys. Right. And I've also played for Brown State a couple of times, but they were in between everything. Play for the Harvard alumni team for numerous. That does not seem like your flavor at all. Please. No, those guys were the best. I loved it. Chris Wojcik and the crew, they were awesome. Yeah. But I used to say, fellas, I have more ability in my toe than most of you have. On the lacrosse field, but God damn down the IQ of this team really bad, but I used to sit back and go, all right, that dude's worth a hundred mil, that guy's worth one 50. That guy's right. Good people to know. What does he do? And I'd sit back and be like, I'm worth 30 grand. And I would laugh my ass off at it, but that's what you got over me, Rick. We're going to give Jay a chance, but I want to reflect back to the three things you just talked about. What's interesting to me about those things is you need no one, but yourself. To get better at those. Absolutely. You don't need, dude, you need more. I did zoom clinics. So you're aware over COVID and I watched kids in their driveways and me in my driveway doing the footwork get noticeably better over three months. Like, you need nothing but yourself and a little space and the will to want to be good. Jay, how about you? Let's go to you on those three things that you talk about in your work with kids on the offensive side of the field.

Jay: 6:43

Yeah. I mean, similar, very similar to Rick in that it's the fundamentals. Like I love this quote from,

Steve: 6:49

Wood, John

Jay: 6:49

Wooden, basketball coach. He's like, at any level, you know, you're going to need to execute the fundamentals of the game at a faster and faster pace. That's the difference between JV

Steve: 6:59

and varsity, varsity. College, you know, Syracuse

Jay: 7:02

to Brown, perhaps some years, executing those fundamentals. I'll never forget playing West Genesee. When I was at Garden City, I was a sophomore and didn't get much playing time, got in for a clear two, but John's Alberti's throwing like 60, 70 yard passes

Steve: 7:16

on a dime. I mean, literally our jaws were just

Jay: 7:19

like, holy cow, but what is a pass? It's a very fundamental thing. So what I, I would. Recommend, let's say for three things. One would be to have a very consistent throwing motion. So that throwing motion should be the same if you're throwing a 15 yard pass or a 70 yard

Steve: 7:36

pass like John's Liberty and the same

Jay: 7:38

when you're shooting. I remember Paul Rabel saying in some clinic being like, you know, a shot is simply a very hard pass. And I think Rick

Steve: 7:45

kind of just said that

Jay: 7:46

earlier. So having a very consistent throwing motion that leads right into your shooting. Right? And then if you're going to pick what shot are you going to work on the most, is it your step down, your crease shots, or shot on the run? Shot on the run. Number one. Like, be able to get past your guy. And then third is what Rick said, is the footwork. You gotta have great footwork. Don't fudge your two step split. Don't fudge a three step split. Don't fudge, you know, a skip split. And be able to change direction. So, you know, that's all footwork.

Ron: 8:15

So those are my three. And think about it. So when you, we all talk to college coaches, I talked to a lot of guys just in the car, right? I got a lot of windshield time going to these clinics. I talked to John Torpy. I do a lot of business with John and I'm an old friend of John what he wants. Like, he's like, Rick, I get a lot of three stars who are sick athletes that I develop into those four and fives. And that's the big, think about it. Three star guys have great basis. And the coaches see the upside, right? The four star guy has that basic and a little bit more than that. Five star guy has the basics and all that. Right. And because the threes have that core threes develop, and I know, and you know, we all know when you get to college and you can talk to it on a football side. Like I said before, once you get against the big boys. Your learning curve accelerates. Right. And by the way, sorry, there's beeping going on in ho Hoku. They clean up leaves and like they're doing leaves, guys. That's okay. It's not the police coming for me, just yet. They like the police in this town actually. As far as you know, Rick, as far as you know? Well, I don't do much. Like I sit home, I do five nights of clinics, a a week. I sit home. I got a 17 year old daughter and Angela who just, you know, really proud of her, signed her national letter of intent to Stony Brook. That's awesome. Um, really blessed. Uh, and I'm not even a church guy, man. And, and, you know, I'm just happy to be alive. Because the truth is, fellas, when you wake up upright and above dirt, it's a good day. It's a really good day. It's a simple way to live life, but if you think that way, you're going to be alright, man. You're going to be alright. Right. That's the truth. So Jay, where are we going to pick up here, Jay? Where do you want to go? Well, I do want, I want

Jay: 10:07

to, I want to jump on this one point, uh, Byron. Heard Rick on another podcast talking about when he was a freshman, he was doing pretty well, and then came up against maybe a tough matchup in, I think it was against Loyola. All right. B, I remember him. He was good. There you go. You know, lost a starting job and then, you know, we had Greg Catrano on who you just mentioned and he had lost his starting job and these stories of overcoming adversity are just really helpful. You know, most of the people listening to this are, you know, parents of players and players. So how would, could you describe that situation and how you kind of overcame that adversity?

Ron: 10:45

Well, number one, I went in as the most highly touted defenseman in the country. And I got to Syracuse. And like I said earlier in the podcast, I'd never been run by more. Like it's, it's simple. And I had to adjust. I had to like, all right, now I need to, I'm two, I'm two 15. Maybe I need to play it to 10. Maybe I need to play it two Oh five. Am I going to find that ideal weight, which no one thinks about, but they do at the pro level. They think about what their right ideal weight is. And that sounds so terrible. Cause God, how could you talk about someone's weight? Right. It's like I had to first find my ideal weight. And then from that point. I had to mentally understand that I was in with the big dogs and then coach Simmons gave me the shot at starting and it was sink or swim, do or die. And I straight drowned. I mean, I still found he went for six and four on me. Guys, which game

Steve: 11:47

of the year was it? Like, it wasn't a

Ron: 11:48

third game or it was a scrimmage. Okay. My freshman year. Okay. He said, no, we're going to give the rookie. He's called rookies. Give the rookie the big dog. Yeah. All right. Well, the rookie, I would, I looked at Kevin Beach and I'm like, Oh, he's big. Oh my God. He hangs a stick. I'm going to destroy this guy all day. I couldn't have been more wrong in my life. Uh, probably learn from that, right? Yeah. We ended up losing. And then I went right down on the back of the depth chart and I refused. To quit. And that sounds so cliche. I went right back with the second defense and not that the second defense was anything bad. I just was like, wow, man, time for you to, you know, you got one more, one more game, one more tournament in the fall to get your act together before you go into break. I built myself back up to the fourth D guy and we went in and that great pumpkin stick out and I did fairly well, um, you know, I guarded a bunch of really good guys like, you know, it wasn't like I got subbed in late with the guys who didn't play. I literally got put right in, you know, beginning of the, you know, probably middle of the first quarter. We played UMass right on Mark Millen, you know, took the ball away from him a couple times and, you know, and, um, then right into Hobart and end of the Hobart game, I actually drained a 20 yard behind the back on a high bouncer, which is no BS guys. I'm not even like, you had a hell of a behind

Steve: 13:16

the back

Jay: 13:17

pass and shot

Steve: 13:18

from

Ron: 13:18

what I saw in highlights. But listen, this is, it's like, you know, you get like you caught the sunfish that becomes the shark. I legitimately heard. So I'm running down on a Threw it behind my back. I got absolutely destroyed by the D guy, whoever that was. And it, it was so unexpected that it bounced and caught the upper corner. Like I had no idea if it was going in or not guys, but, but I went in on it. That was the last game. And he was the end of the fourth. Like I went in on a really good note into the off season. How I built that up is the biggest thing I ever did. I went. Yeah. On the 26th of December, I went right back up to my, um, my, my South Campus bedroom. I took a buddy of mine who wrestled with me, who wrestled at Oswego, Jim Dunleavy. Jimmy had unfortunately passed away a couple years ago. And I said, Jimmy, I need to be in the best shape possible. We hit practice. Like I can't be, I know I can control that. I need to be in shape. My ability will be my ability. And I did every single day I ran stairs. I ate what he ate because he was in the middle of his season. Right. That was his break. I drove him up to practice, drove him back down. Um, you know, and I just worked myself. into the starting lineup right away in practice. I wanted to guard guys, you know, I wanted to be on guys. And it really is like, you know how parents Listen, I'm a dad. Okay. And I love my children. And you talked about parents earlier. There's a lot of unrealistic human beings in the world where reality sets in. The reality sets in when the market sets in. Right. Right. I always tell people the market will dictate. Now, there are tweeners.

Jay: 15:14

But that might have been the best thing that ever happened to you. It was Gordon Beach, and then getting knocked down a peg, and then being like, I've got to really work my butt off before the season, and then you came out

Ron: 15:25

as a great freshman year. Listen, stupid cliches, you have to fail before you succeed.

Steve: 15:30

It's true, right? It really is. Some of these cliches

Ron: 15:32

are super true.

Jay: 15:33

How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset. We'll do a mindset minute here.

15:42

We're often asked by our listeners who are parents of young, aspiring lacrosse players and those lacrosse players themselves. What is it that makes for greatness in this sport? Well folks after hearing Greg testimony or few weeks back in which he said, if he had not been benched for five of the six Ivy league games in his sophomore year at brown. He would not have had the highly successful collegiate career that he enjoyed. He went on to be named a first team, all American and both his junior and senior years and one D one goalie of the year honors twice. And he would not have had the refreshable career either. He said, in which he was a perennial all-star a three time champion and only one of two goalies to ever be named the most valuable player of a professional lacrosse league. And one of only two goalies in trined in the professional lacrosse hall of fame. The story Rick Beardsley has just shared with us is perhaps not as dramatic, but it's still quite similar. As he just said, getting torched for six goals and four assists and being benched in the fall of his freshman year, really sparked a fire inside of him. Dr. Rob Gilbert, our sports performance expert loves to say success leaves clues. And if you want uncommon success, you needed to take uncommon action. He also says, if we want to get extra ordinary results. We've got to be willing to do things. Other people are not willing to do. What Rick Beardsley did is a perfect example of that. He did something different. He went back to Syracuse on the day after Christmas, December 26th, with his buddy from Oswego, who was a wrestler on Christmas break as well. And together they followed an intense workout routine and a strict diet. And it sounds like Rick was the only lacrosse player at the school at that time. So one piece of advice is to do what others aren't willing to do. The other suggestion we can glean from these stories coming from the all time greats. Is that when we get knocked down, we need to not only get back up, we need to take that knocked down as a signal that we need to change tack. Perhaps we need to redouble our efforts. Take massive action. Have higher standards and those around us and believe in ourselves all the more, if we do that, our success is absolutely positively guaranteed. No doubt about it. To hear more sports performance tips from Dr. Rob Gilbert, check out his success hotline on apple podcasts. We will return to our show in progress

Ron: 18:15

And then, think about it, from that point on, my responsibilities Every week were to take on the guy that coach Simmons told me I needed to take on. And, you know, I was, I don't know about you guys, I watched videotapes. I would sit in Tesco's office and watch my matchup with him. And he never gave me a hint. We never, by the way, there was no scouting reports that they shared us at Syracuse back then. I don't know how they did it at Brown or... Oh, we would. You guys didn't scout? Yeah, there was nothing. It was, Rick, you're guarding this guy. He would tell you on Tuesday. And you'd figure out, all right, I've guarded him before. Okay. Where can I see stuff on him? Okay. Who's, and you just went through your progressions in your brain of what you needed to do, you know, when I guarded Dave Evans, for example, right. That was 95 when Dave was, you know, Dave PGD year. So he's my age. Dave was the straight up, this guy pinned it real big, you know, much bigger than he was in high school. There was no throwing checks on Dave Evans. It was get under the arm, try to hang up his hands, because when his hands were free, he would punish you. So try to play him that way. But then on the flip side, when I would play Brian Piccola. You know, he was a hybrid, sometimes dodged, sometimes shot. So, okay. You got to extend on him off ball. You're not in the health defense anymore, but when you got to force him to dodge, because when you force him to dodge, you would give you the stick. Right. But what I can always tell you is great players. Even in the matchups that you have, you really want to find a great player, find the guy who is the number one scorer who got on the number one D guy that still had three and four. He found ways to get points for his team. Joey Spallina. Truth be told, you can say whatever you want about him. That kid drew the best defender every game and still led the ACC as a rookie, still had like 60 points, right? He had one bad game where he didn't, he, you know, he didn't hit a shot. Right. That happens early in the year. That kid is the epitome of a modern day. Great player. He comes and puts up points to help his team every single day. And as a defender. I would always say, okay, Brian Pakola would have awesome games. You know, we played eight, it was 21, 18 games all the time. Scores goals. You know, did I do my job against Dave Evans when we were senior, when I was a senior, you know, he had four, right. I had three, right. So like, but his job, his was all off ball. Did I do my job? I don't know, but one on one, he didn't beat me, but he was such a great player that he found other ways to hurt us, right? But when you're matched up on them, you're doing your thing. If you're a parent or a defenseman or a player, make yourself great by finding a way to help your team when you don't have it in that matchup. You know, my oldest, my youngest daughter gets face guarded a lot, right? In eighth grade lacrosse. Shame on any of you guys that are listening that face guard an eighth grade girl. That is ridiculous. I always tell her there was positives with that, Viviana. The girl didn't slide. There was a bunch of goals scored because that girl couldn't slide off you. So, you have to take that and understand how did you help your team. And we talked about it earlier, it is all right here. And I'm no motivational speaker, I'm not, I'm a shitty pre game speech guy, but I'm a realist. You know, if you're slow and not strong, you're, you better find a way to help your team and that could be, I'm a straight crease guy, right? Or I'm going to be a great bench player. Like the truth is when I was in the pros, I wasn't a starter. What I found to help my team. I was a great cheerleader and I played when I needed to play. It was late in my life and late in my career. And I'll tell you what, man, I became a great cheerleader when I played in the indoor league. We didn't have lefties, only had one lefty. His name was Paul gate. Who's going to play with ball? I will. That's right. Because I'll take the beatings on the pics. That's what you have to do. That's how you get yourself out of anything that you think you're in a, in a, in a bad spot, you just continue to grind. Right.

Jay: 22:50

That's great. That's awesome

Ron: 22:51

stuff. We'd love to hear a little bit about, um, you know, you mentioned some of the people who were influential earlier, and obviously you played for one of. The greatest coaches in college and also one of the true characters in the sport. So I always love to hear, you know, people who played for him and knew him reflect on Roy Simmons, Jr. And then also. You know, as I've gotten older, you, you realize the dynamics of a coaching staff and the complimentary skills and personality. So, you know, I'd love for you to reflect on coach Simmons, but also then, you know, his coach Desco, who was such a key partner, teams. So what was it like playing for coach Simmons and, and, and how did coach Desco provide the perfect compliment for him? So I'm going to give you two movies. And I want you to just think about them, and I'm gonna tell you why I said it. The Girls of Rio and Clockwork Orange. That's what I was expecting to hear. Just listen, just listen. And Clockwork Orange. Yeah, those, yeah, those would be right off the top. Okay, those two films were on our bus rides. Oh man. Okay, and um, like Clockwork Orange. Listen, Clockwork Orange has like a girl

24:15

B

Ron: 24:17

I know, that is a creepy movie. Yes, that was the personality of the way we did things are like the way it was in his brain. He would stop. he it was the eclecticness that he was he was a centric. People used to think coach Simmons didn't know anything about lacrosse, right? He knew more than anyone on that field. Now Johnny D, a technical X's and O's, and you can't forget about the two other guys, and Coach Donahue, and a guy no one gets any credit, Laddie Horrell, who played at Bowling Green. Laddie Horrell was our volunteer assistant, and he was a straight savant. And awesome to us. We used to call him Vlade Divac. We used to mess with him, but we didn't, he was a Sowanica guy, right? It's a Sowanica guy from back in the day. You know who all the Sowanica guys were? Oh yeah, absolutely. You know, the Cousos of the world, right? You got those, right? Doc Daugherty, all those guys, right? Flatley too. Yeah, that's right. Coach Flatley. So like you had those Sowanica guys and like coach Settins was like that motivator. Could sense. If you were too hyped up for a game, tell you a story, bring you down. Say sense. If you, I can goosebumps talking about it since that you weren't, you know, you weren't enough and he would fire you up to rip someone's face off by the time you walked out. And then there was Johnny D. You know, coach Simmons, when he yelled at you, you were like, Oh my God, this guy's yelling at me. This is not good. So he

Steve: 25:54

was pretty hands on. So

Ron: 25:55

yes, coach Desco would light your face up anytime he wanted to. He didn't care. He would, we always to make the joke, he was a dent the turf with his hat. He'd blow hats, dude. He could blow hats to pieces. He would throw his hat would explode, but they were the perfect compliment. With coach Donahue and coach Harrell, just being those other plug and play guys. And the best thing about coach Simmons, he says it all the time. And it's hard for a guy like me who coaches, believe it or not. And the way I played and I don't know how you guys are. He realizes kids are going to make mistakes and they're just kids. And that's hard. I've learned over the years took me till about midway through this season when I was at the dump I was at, uh, here, um, to figure out that yelling isn't going to do any good and just let it be. Try to coach them through it and then go from there. And you know, some kids want the yelling, right? The generation has changed a guy who didn't want it. And Aria was like Rob cab of it. He didn't like getting yelled at. That was his thing. You know, where all of us didn't mind getting yelled at because our parents were yellers, right? You're an aggressive person. Your parents are most likely pretty aggressive people. Fred Beardsley was a very aggressive human. Angela Beardsley was a very aggressive human. Um, but the, listen. To

Steve: 27:27

play for coach. I had a teammate,

Jay: 27:28

Craig Vakaris, who wished Dom Storji would yell at him. He wasn't going to be a yeller.

Steve: 27:32

Yeah,

Ron: 27:32

it's amazing. I'm going to tell you. Coach Simmons, it was an awesome dynamic because like, you know, I've caused a little bit of ruckus during games and I've talked back a little bit and, and, you know, I've been kind of told to go to the lock up the three

Jay: 27:49

sign when you

Steve: 27:49

had the hat trick.

Ron: 27:50

Yes. Well, I did. Yeah. I tried to take my helmet off in that one. And that was when I went to the side, I was going to take my helmet off and Johnny D goes, no, no. And I was pissed. I'm going to take my shit off and be like, yo, what's up here. But I couldn't because he told it, but coach Simmons would have totally loved every minute of that. Right. So there was almost like, uh, you know, the, the, the devil on one and then, you know, like telling you should be a nice person on the other, but they both shared the same message. When it came to the way they wanted us to play, they wanted us to play fast, try to minimize mistakes and actually be as mean as you could on a field coach Simmons. I'm going to tell you the truth, you don't know this and probably the only guy is going to give it up on coach Simmons used to tell us to hear the answer to that intriguing question, please tune in next week, as we continue with our series until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.