S1 E34. Total Team Effort: NLL Commish Brett Frood & Professional Lacrosse HOFer Greg Cattrano, Part II.

In this second installment of our three part interview series with special guests, National Lacrosse League Commissioner, Brett Frood and his college roommate, USILA Goalie of the Year, MLL Player of the Year, and Professional Lacrosse Hall of Famer, Greg Cattrano, we delve into the early beginnings of professional lacrosse, hear first hand accounts of what the scene was like back then in the late '90s and early 2000s, and how the landscape has changed over the years. 

Our co-hosts, Ron Dalgliesh and Jay McMahon also inquire about how these two guests developed their leadership qualities. Their answers lay out a blueprint that parents and young players can utilize in their own development. 

Finally, Greg Cattrano describes what it was like to receive a text message from Paul Rabil announcing his selection as one of only two goalies inducted into the National Professional Lacrosse Hall of Fame. This episode is packed with energy and excitement; jump right in and enjoy!

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It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Jml skills. Mindset and LAX IQ training, helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're excited to bring you part two of our interview series with the commissioner of the national lacrosse league breadfruit. As well as his college roommate, professional lacrosse hall of Famer, Greg Catrino. You will find our interview in progress I'm going to, I'm going to skip ahead here and get to Greg's professional, career, which I know the commission will also love to talk about because, you know, Greg, after graduation, I know you played in the NLL for three seasons when you were playing for NIAC, you know, and then you're at the infancy of the NLL. And when that came on the scene, so tell our listeners what that was like back then, you know, it was a very different thing being a quote pro lacrosse player in that time. Uh, so, so tell us what that experience was like. I mean, it was, it was great being, uh, we went to the. There was a summer showcase where they divided us into two teams initially in 2020, just to kind of showcase the sport, uh, outdoor lacrosse. But then before the 2021 season, they, uh, it brought like a hundred and something players into a combine in Florida, right? And you spent a weekend, uh, like it was a combine, they were taking 40, 40 times and you know, it was really well done. And you know, I'm sitting there, I'm like, I, I can't believe what the players I'm surrounded by right now. Well, they're, you know, you had Mark Mellon, Casey Powell, Gary Gate, Paul Gate, Tom Merrick. I mean, guys, I'm just like amazed that I'm actually, you know, yeah, I played club lacrosse against some of them and they were playing the NL, but now to be in a professional outdoor league and seeing this talent on the field, it was just like, this is amazing. And then following the combine, you know, they're like, Oh, we're going to have a draft. But before that, we were going to just, we want to make sure we even the teams out to start like, so they assigned three players to every single team. And, uh, I was fortunate enough to be assigned to Baltimore. I was the only goalie assigned to a team and I was assigned with Mark Millen. And Josh Simms, uh, Princeton, and we were assigned to Baltimore and obviously with Tom Marachek and we have all these other like incredible players. And you know, I remember the first game, you know, I'm being from, I'm from Long Island and I'm playing for Baltimore professional. Ouch. Ouch. I love it. I love it. Finally, Maryland. Ron, they didn't have enough good Maryland players is the problem. And he ended up loving it. It wasn't a Maryland based team, so I was able to get to work, right? Yeah, Mellon's from Long Island too, dawg, so wake up, come on. First game in 2001. One was against the Long Island lizards, and we wound up winning that game. Ten seven. I had to, I played that game with a torn hamstring. Oh my, I had, I had a 10, well, I tore it about two weeks before that, but I, there was no way I was gonna miss that game. I had a tendency to tear my hamstring gentleman, um, running out of the goal. I had a tendency to tear my hamstrings running out of the building. Yeah, I gotcha. But no, just being able to get paid to play professional lacrosse, trust me, it was welcomed for me too. Because I was living in New York City. Okay. Um, you guys know what that lifestyle is like? It's still a young young person at a couple of years out of college, you know, making that extra money was just great. I was able to have now, you know, I didn't have to take the subway to, you know, out at night on a Friday. It was able to take a cab, you know, I mean, that was at that point. Right. You didn't have to bring the peanut butter and jelly sandwich to work anymore. That's tremendous. Great. So Greg, talk about the NLL versus MLL, and then of course that'll allow us to talk to the commission a little bit about how much that league has changed. Yeah. So I played for the New York Saints right out of college. I played three years with them. Um, I had some good moments. I remember, you know, Sal Lacascio was obviously a Hall of Fame goaltender. The best goalie in the history of the game. I was backing him up and I remember one game, he, he got sick or he got hurt and I stepped in and I wound up getting game MVP that game. I played, I played, I started about four more games. But it really, you know, I love playing great teammates, but, it wasn't it wasn't for me. I didn't have that passion as much because I couldn't run. Okay, right. Yeah. And I was, it was one of the things I just couldn't stay in the goal. And eventually I was getting exploited because all I was doing was moving around in the goal too much. And those goalies, you know, they just, I mean, they're so talented and they're so quick, but they cover all out of the goal. There's no weakness. You know, I, I would be moving too much. I'd leave half the goal open if someone threw a fake at me and, you know, I never go from there. Uh, but it was, it was awesome being able to play in the league. That's great. Now, Brett, before we move on to your, you know, professional work career, we did want to just talk a little bit about, you know, you come into your senior year, you'll lead the team in scoring, you're elected a captain, what was it like having that leadership position and did some of that experience help you in, your working career? Yeah, I mean, it's always a huge honor to be named captain by your peers, but at Brown, I think it's just. So much more meaningful and, um, profound because of the legacy of captains that have gone through there and what we all know about them from their accomplishments, not only on the lacrosse field, but professionally and dates back to, you know, captains like Dom and, and the Meisters and Bernie and Jamie Monroe and Lars yourself, Jay, um, Neil Monroe, those 94 guys we talked about, Rosicky, Sullivan, Evans, you know, it's just this lineage of, of leaders. so, you know, having that opportunity, is always special and being able to hopefully inspire, and for us, I think in Greg and myself and our other two captains were Josh Selig and Tom Collard. I, I honestly think with our senior class, it didn't matter. Who the captains were, it could have been any combination. Jay Moody, Matt Dent, Tom Gilbane, we were, we were all really close. And I feel had kind of yin and yang skill sets and leadership qualities. So I don't know that I can say like the captains were the ones that made a difference. I feel like our senior class did, um, for, for sure. And, you know, you, you just try to create an environment where everyone is. Is digging in and doing something maybe a little different, you know, with cat, we had that guy that was, was our true superstar on that team. and I wasn't kidding when you kind of have that alpha dog and then you got to have the wingman. And that's, that was our, that was our 97 team. And he led by example every day. He had, he has, which he obviously exemplifies in every conversation, but every time he's on the field, the passion for the sport, a positivity and a belief. Right. So you have that leadership quality. You had Tom Collard next to us. If you guys haven't met Tom, he's a true character, but just this, this likable, most likable individual, just balanced in his emotions and behavior, like, in fact, we just play with him up in Lake Placid. Yeah. He's just steady, right? So he communicates It's in this low key way, but he's the, you know, was the, the, um, the guy that kind of brought levity to the situation. Then we had Josh Selleck, another Ward Melville guy, um, he was a superstar too, um, but he was a second coach on the field, right? He brought that next level IQ and intellect to our group. He still does in every conversation, right? He's the. He's the litigator, out in the West Coast now, but he's, he's the smart guy in our group, and brought that. And, you know, for me, I'd like to think, I facilitated kind of an environment of honesty and trust and one where, um, we facilitated kind of this humble environment without catering to egos and, bring that lunch pal mentality. Um, to the table. And you hope that, you know, that that's transferable. But, you know, like anything else, wouldn't it be nice to, to go back after all the skills all of us have have learned over the last, you know, 25, 30 years, go back and apply it into that college setting. I think we probably thought we did a good job, but oh, my God, we were 23. did we inspire and motivate, you know, were we the best role models? Did we maximize the opportunity for our teammates? You know, we go through that thing, probably not. Um, but I'd like, we probably did something right along the way. Um, and cause I, cause I'll say this and maybe this is what we did. Right. And you guys, and all your classmates feel like, to me, it's the relationships. Like Kat just brought it up, like the friendships and the camaraderie and the continuation of that and the belief that, those are the guys you wanted to get into war with,, in the trenches and, you know, we would have taken a bullet for each other back then and we still would. And, that's kind of what I take out of my. Time there and the relationships and the ability to lead, is just the friendships and connections. And that connectivity isn't just amongst our class. It's amongst many classes, even the opportunity to chat with you guys and share stories. It's just, it's special. I'd like to think, and I do believe that we're an anomaly. In the sports world, and when I say we that are our brethren and our Brown alum, I don't know that everyone else has it the way we have. So I'm very thankful for that opportunity. I couldn't agree more. And I think that was the thing I was, you know, as I was saying, Brown resonated with me. And it's like, what resonated is just you could just feel that brotherhood. You know, you weren't part of it yet, but you wanted to be on that recruiting trip. You could just sense something was different. You know, and, it's just an amazing thing. Now, Brad, I've seen you so many times over the years as a youth travel lacrosse coach, on that circuit where you're going from Charlotte all the way to Baltimore or from Charlotte all the way to Philadelphia and elsewhere. And, you've coached a very successful club team. I've been on the business end of, that several times and, Tell us and our listeners, because we do have a lot of people who listen, who have kids who are in youth travel across boys and girls,, you know, they're looking to get to the next level as your son did, what would be some advice for parents in that arena? How long are we going to be on this call? yeah, before I get into that, yeah, it's been fun. It's been, I will say, and Jay, you brought it up. Coaching is a hobby for a lot of us, right? Because we work, we work all day and grind, but just having the opportunity to spend time with the kids and, and hopefully make an impact and develop, has been really awesome. And, you know, I've been passionate about it and be able to run into Jay and Kat has worked with,, my minors team and come to Charlotte and just the connections every, every week run into. Evans and Martinelli and Benedict and you know, and all these guys and it doesn't, not just brown guys, obviously. So it's been fun, to coach against and see everyone, but you know, it's a grind for sure. It's been for me just a pleasure having the opportunity to coach my own kids and hopefully make an impact on them and teach life skills and not just necessarily, lacrosse skills. And I think as we. Think about the parents out there and to your question, it's just, there's a lot to unpack there,, because the expectations are so high for so many. And they've seen where lacrosse has come over the years, and certainly see the opportunities that have been presented to, to a number of folks. But I mean, it's important to realize that success doesn't happen overnight. I think that, you know, Malcolm Gladwell, 10, 000 hours is real. Right. It's just, it's not going to happen in a couple of years. But that being said, and I don't want to be like create a dichotomy. You still can't overschedule and burn yourself out too. There's so much going on, Jay, you've seen it. There's the showcases and the prospect days and the tournaments and the all star teams and the academies. And trying to figure out what's right, and the right path is a challenging one. I don't know if I have the best answer, other than, when it becomes not fun for any of the kids, then you either need to pull back or not do it anymore. And like, it's important to have a passion and a love for the game and it needs to be authentic. So. Those, you know, are certainly the pitfalls that need to be overcome. And as we think about the things that I want to manifest throughout the team and the culture, at least of the programs I've been a part of, it's, it's practice patience during the process. Each path is different., the maturity of all these kids is different. The age is a skill development, the IQ, and, you need to embrace, the, I'd say the accolades of others and sometimes things will move faster for some kids other than, you know, your teammates and be happy for them and understand that your path may be a little different. You maybe need to be more patient. So I think that's a big thing. And then for us, it's really been about embracing embracing you know, team, and not the individual. And I think it's hard for parents and kids to not become selfish in that environment because I get it. Like the end goal for a lot of them is I want to be an NCAA lacrosse player. Division one, two, or three. And, you hear, you see these showcases and all these potential opportunities to better yourself in an individual basis. And, I do think it's important, both with kids and parents to really focus on the team environment and, the positivity that that brings, which we've spoken a lot about, so Greg, what, let's take a different approach to this as we're, um, Again, talking to young players who may be coming up in the game and you know, as, as they say, greatness doesn't just happen. Right. And so there's no question when, you know, let's review some of your greatness. You know, you play six seasons in the MLL playing five championships, your name goal of the year, three goalies. to earn an MVP, you know, along with Blaze Reardon, who today is recognized as, you know, if not the best, one of the handful of the best goalies in the world. So this is the level you're playing at. But that didn't just happen, right? So if you're a young kid today coming up in the game and you want to be a goalie, which takes a certain kind of mentality, what, what advice do you give when you're going down there and working with Breck's team or working with other young players? What are your, what are your pearls of wisdom, Cat? Yeah, I open up every single clinic with a question to all the goalies. And I say, what's the most important thing about goaltending? And, uh, You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who answers the question correctly, okay? And they're always saying, oh, uh, shaving the ball. Yeah, that's important. Oh, stepping to the ball. Yeah, that's important too. Communication. Uh, no, that's not it. I just, it's being able to handle getting scored on, okay? It's being able to face adversity. All, you can have all the talent in the world. You can have the fastest reflexes. You can do all that, but, and you can practice every single day. Right. But if you can't handle the fact of getting scored on and facing that adversity in the goalie position, you're never going to make it. Just stop playing. If you're gonna, if you're gonna let the goal and yell at your defense or yell at your teammates or slam your stick against the pipe, you're done as a goalie. I mean, that's it. I mean, I mean, think of the message you are sending the other team when you're doing that. It's just game on. You're gonna get destroyed. More importantly, think of the message you're sending to your own team. I mean, as a goalie, whether, um, whether you want to be or not, you're a leader on that field. I mean, the, the camera, everything's out on you the entire time. And you're going to take the good and the bad. There's going to be moments when you do score those goals or make that, you know, save in overtime, but there's going to be moments when you let up the overtime goal. That's 2003 MLO championship, by the way, where I did overtime goal. Okay. But it's, but I, you know, I bookmarked it with championships, right? So it's like, it's, it's facing that adversity and be able to get, get scored on, but you know, obviously working hard in the field, you know, when you're stepping on the field and you're going to practice, practice. You know, don't, don't take a ground ball off or a save off, like work hard, I mean, that's why you're out there, you know, don't take any plays off, listen to your coaches. You know, your coaches are there. They're volunteering their time is, as Brett said, you know, they're there to teach you some life skills, discipline, you know, listen to him, and, you're going to be a better player, no matter what, you know, you're going to be, uh, an all American division one school and play professional, who knows, but, you know, that's not the end, you know, the end all be all and everything. Right. I mean, just want to be a good person. And yeah. You just want to work hard out there and you're going to, you're going to find success one way or another. Greg, how about the mental edge? Right? I mean, people forget when, when, when you're playing in the NL, the ML, you got to, you got a full time job, you're, you're traveling all over the place. The schedule's got to be crazy, right? You're, how do you maintain that mental edge to play at the level you played at for over so long, a period of time? It was, it was hard. It was hard. I remember, uh, before every single game, to get warmed up for the game, to make sure I was mentally prepared. I mean, I stepped on the field three hours beforehand and I was doing full blown warmup, sprints and workouts, just getting my mind and body ready for the game and focusing. I would, I, I remember just throwing the ball against the wall and just looking at the ball the whole time and trying to just get myself up again. Some of the games I was just, you know, I was arriving to the field three hours before and taking a train down to Baltimore. And, uh, you know, but, but at the same time, it's such a passion for the sport and love for it. And I'm like, I'm playing professional lacrosse. How can I not be up for this? I couldn't take a play off at that league. I mean, the ball's moving 110 miles per hour from 10 yards away. I'm done. Right. And, uh, you know, towards the end. That'll get you focused, huh? Yeah, that gets you focused. But I tell you, towards the end of my career, when I, before I stopped playing in practice, I was losing the focus a little bit. It was tougher to practice. Um, I felt I was losing the edge a little bit and fighting against it. And, you know, it's not why I retired, but it was hard towards the end in 2006 when I stopped playing, but early on, I mean, it's hard not to get up to play again, you know, with and against the best players in the world. I mean, how can you not right? That's, that's awesome. No, but I did want to just ask, I noticed, as I said, I was on the receiving end of some of that talent on that Carolina Miners team. And some of these middies and attackmen just had unusual skill level. And I was just curious, like one time, this seventh or eighth grader throws in a Around the world finish just like boom and nails the low corner and he was aiming for that low corner now Did you guys emphasize skill development or was this something that these guys kind of like you and your brother took on their own and? Worked on their own in the backyard. Tell us a little bit about skill development and the program there yeah, I think a hybrid. We worked hard on skill development, but the expectation was that they would keep the stick in their hands and be doing the extra work. Um, I mean, The reality is there's so many opportunities, as you know, I'm doing one on one sessions with professionals, guys like Kat and his peers. So I think a lot of that was going on. Um, not only, I'm across our team, my son included with, with different folks. We're in transition to, uh, JML and let's do that. Today's JML minute. Is inspired by what both of our guests have said. They have discussed the skill level being at an elite level. And they've also discussed how many of these players are starting their own academies that are all in person. Now if you are not proximal to those locations, if you cannot get to them. That's where the J McMahon lacrosse app comes into play. It is something that your son or daughter can use. Wherever they are. All over the country. It's an app that they would download on their phone. And then the training is right there at their fingertips. Many of our prior guests all being college lacrosse coaches Said that players need to develop a skill or ability that just pops on the field. That is, they need to develop their game. I asked you, what is your game? Acquiring skills that you need starts by working on your own in your backyard or at a local field. And while you're doing that, you want to have the benefit of the technology that we're talking about. So using technology to accelerate your path to improvement. Now the Jim McMahon lacrosse app is designed to help you do just that. On the app, we have a free mini course. On three types of shooting, which are stepped down shots or outside shots shooting on the run and shooting from the crease. Along with the instructional videos on this free course, we have drills that you can use to perfect these skills. And when you're ready, you can move on to our paid programming. We have the go from good to great course. Six week journey that has all the skills, lacks, IQ and mindset information that I've learned from playing under great coaches like Dom stars. Yah. And playing with great players like Andy towers and coach large, Tiffany. On top of all that I've been coaching with lacrosse for over 20 years and have put all that knowledge onto the app. Now. The course has six weekly sections each section is 30 to 40 minutes long. And you follow the 10 minute videos so you'd get, say three or four, 10 minute videos per week. And then the drills you'd follow up with that and look to perfect. The skills. And I know from a fact having had many other players use this training course itself can absolutely transform your game. So go ahead and download. The J McMahon lacrosse app on the apple app store. Or if you have an Android phone at the Google play. App section. That you would simply type in J a Y M C M a H O N. Lacrosse. And download it. And as, our guests, had said. Skills mindset and lax iq are really exponentially growing in the game of lacrosse and that's what this app is designed to help you do now we will return to our interview in progress And for us to be able to compete with the. You know, the prime times up in New York and 91 Wolfpack and Krabs felt like, yes, we needed to have the skill development, but if we were going to compete, you know, being a small club, all of our kids within a 20 mile radius of here in Charlotte and, you know, not necessarily a Mecca, we needed to get out of the box. So for us, it was playing as a team. It was practicing. obsessively, you know, four days a week, two to three hour practices. It was building that underdog mentality with the kids. So they had a chip on their shoulder., I think you, you probably saw, and I know when we had the opportunity to go play against, you know, some of those teams up North, it was really. Building that culture that we've got something to prove. And even when you win those games, um, you still need to do it the next time, every minute on the field, you got to have that mentality. we wanted to be physical, but we wanted to be clean. And most of all, have a compete level that other teams couldn't contain for the entirety of a game. You know, we always, we always talked about. Effort level and sacrifice every second and don't regret a minute you're out on that lacrosse field. And you know, so I think, as I think about just development skills, yes, I'd say that was augmented on the side., the intangible stuff I'm hopeful these kids will carry, um, with them, you know, into perpetuity that will extend beyond their, certainly beyond their lacrosse years. Nice, nice. Now, Jay, I'm going to,, go off script, which guys, Jay always loves, but, but Fruity, we cannot people are, you know, getting overextended on their time, Ron, just makes it a little longer. Jay. I tried to intercede earlier, but you ignored my text. So anyway, let's Fruity. We cannot leave a podcast with you on it without telling us a little bit about your Iris sojourn. Would you share with our listeners how you came to find yourself? I'll share how I came there and then I'll share maybe 3 percent of the story of being there. Yes. Probably wise, right? Yes, wise. Okay. A good friend of Greg and mine,, Trevor O'Driscoll was living in New York, with all of us and entered the, contest, win a pub in Ireland, which was, facilitated by Guinness America out of Stamford, Connecticut and long story short, he competed against nine other Americans for a pub, a liquor store and a five bedroom apartment in Lestal, Ireland, which is about nine miles, uh, inland from Ballybunion. So west coast of Ireland. At that point in time, I was working in equity capital markets in New York, had been working for maybe seven or eight months. And,, Josh Selig, who I mentioned, Ward Melville Attackman was working in New York and, our friend Trevor wins the pub and asks Josh and I, if we want to move to Ireland. And run this thing with him, become a partner in his endeavor. So we, raised our hands and both quit our jobs. And within two weeks moved to the West coast of Ireland. And,, we're there for over a year. And, realized it was, it was fun, and had many good times and had many visitors. And, it eventually became time to come back to America and get on with our professional careers. That's, that's a nice bender there. One year's worth, huh? Did you make any trips to Ireland? I did not, unfortunately, but I think, I think Brett shared less than 1 percent of his experience there, not three, so probably better off. Yeah, that's fair. So, yeah, we, we lived above a pub in a liquor store for, for over a year. And that's amazing. Nothing could go wrong with above. An Irish pub and liquor store. Nothing could go wrong now, ron's lost in the sauce here, by the way, guys. He's bouncing all over the place. I got it, I got it, Jay. Jesus Christmas. Oh, yeah. There it is right there. Yeah. Okay. Take two. I got very excited about the Irish Pub. So Greg, congratulations, by the way, I know we've talked a lot about your talent and ability in your career. And yes, as brown guys were biased, but there's nothing bias about being inducted into the professional lacrosse Hall of Fame. There's only 14 players that have received that honor. So, you know, tell us what that felt like. I mean, you know, on this podcast, we've talked about, it all starting with your brother throwing rocks at you in the backyard. After, you were crying like a baby and didn't want to play the game, right? And running out of the gym. And now you're in the Pro Lacrosse Hall of Fame. Yeah, I remember the moment and one, it was, I wasn't expecting it. You just never know with all the talent that's in the league that have played for 20 plus years. You just, uh, you know, you just never know what, what's going to happen. And it was one of those things. There's so many, you know, I knew another class was going to be announced and I'm like, you know, there's so many talented players, but I remember at 6 AM, it was like,, this past, you know, this past March, and I got a, I received a text message at six in the morning from Paul Rabel. And I was in my kitchen, my wife and we were just walking up and we're making breakfast. You know, getting the kids ready for school, and I'm reading this text, and I look at my wife, and I'm like, I cannot believe this. And of course, she's like, what happened? Like, what just happened? Right? And I'm like, I'm getting inducted into the Professional Lacrosse Hall of Fame. I'm like, this is, I mean, we, like, I basically, like, cried right there, right? Right there in the kitchen. I was like, I couldn't, I cannot believe this is happening. And, uh, to receive that type of text message. I didn't find out for another week, you know, the, the fellow inductees,, That morning you just say, give me another egg, extra bacon too. I don't even know what I did the rest of that morning. I think I took the day off. Give me a mimosa. Definitely. Hey, I'm a Hall of Famer. I'm taking the day off. I'm taking the day off. And, uh, no, and I, I found out a week later, you know, being inducted with,, Ryan Powell, Ryan Boyle, Jesse Hubbard, Roy Colesley, and Brian Spallina. I mean, What a class and in August, when we were, we were in Baltimore for the induction, talk about a first, like class experience, um, how we were treated not only the night before at a banquet. Um, but the day of is during, you know, just a bunch of the professional games and. We arrive at the field at 9 a. m. We're getting like gift packages. We're all sitting there, we have these jackets, taking pictures. I mean, we sat around for four hours before anything took place and just reminisced about all the days in the professional. And, I mean, we were just telling stories back and forth. And it's one of those things, like, I, I, It's like, I want to live that day again. Um, and you know, I had to have my, my parents were there, obviously my wife and my Children and that was the most, actually the most important thing for me that my Children never saw me play lacrosse. Okay. Never. And to have them be part of that was probably the most special thing out of anything. And yeah, it was definitely exciting. Such an honor to be inducted. Awesome. Congratulations. And Brett, congratulations to you on becoming the commissioner of the N. L. L. Last September. And since it's relaunched there in 1997, there's only been for other commissioners. So it's quite an honor and I'm sure it's quite a task to run the league now with 15 teams and tell us what your first year was like and what are some of the plans, you know, 30, 000 foot fly by there for the league going forward.

Ron: 32:43

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