S1 E31. Ever True: USILA 1st Team All Americans, Dylan Molloy & Larken Kemp, Part III.

Outside of USA Lacrosse CEO, Marc Riccio, over our twenty eight episodes, we have interviewed coaches almost exclusively. But this time around we’re switching gears and interviewing two exceptional players from the collegiate and professional ranks: Dylan Molloy and Larken Kemp!

Molly, who plays in the PLL for the Atlas Lacrosse Club, was the 2016 Tewaaraton winner, leading Division 1 lacrosse in points and assists and was second in goals (with sixty- two) to his Brown teammate Kylor Bellistri who beat him by one goal with sixty three. 

Kemp, who played for the Redwoods LC of the PLL,  holds the record for most caused turnovers in a D1 men’s lacrosse game with eight, tied with three other players. He also holds the record for most points, goals, assists, and caused turnovers by a long pole in Brown Men’s Lacrosse history. 

Both players were three time All Americans at Brown and leaders of the 2016 Brown Men’s Lacrosse that went to the Final Four. The team played in an exciting and memorable semi-final matchup versus the University of Maryland. The Bears came back, tying the score in thrilling fashion to force overtime before falling to the Terrapins in sudden death 14-13.

In this third installment of our three-part interview series we hear of Molloy & Kemp’s  professional lacrosse experience, their triumphs and some tribulations, their exciting MLL careers, and how their playing days in the PLL differ and what their relationships with other pros were like. They also share some salient information on what young players today need to be focusing on. And at the end of our interview our roving reporter, Steve Gresalfi, brings up salient lacrosse topics of the day and poses the question to our guests “Do you give this a Pass or Fail”. This is an interview you won’t want to miss!  

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It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Jml skills. Mindset and LAX IQ training, helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're excited to bring you our interview series with first team, all Americans, Dylan, Malloy, and Larkin Kemp. You will find our interview in progress That's great. I love it. I love it. They asked you a question, Dylan, to give me some like layup compliments and you don't say anything about me. You know, I wasn't going to mention that the foundation of the question was relationship with you. Nothing. Nothing. And he really, he came back to Brown, but the class, it was about the class, nothing about you. We not me. Yeah, it's in the class, though. So Larkin, how about your relationship with Dylan? Yeah, no, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm having deja vu. Yeah, we've gone through something similar. Um, no, I don't the best. I actually think your listeners will get a pretty good lens into it tonight. I mean, he's unapologetically himself. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He's he's the best teammate imaginable because He's so consistent in what you get from him, both in how he practices and. You know, when you're, when you're feeling the nerves and like pulling into a stadium for a huge league game, like the comfort in knowing that four is getting off the front of that bus and he's going to dodge a million miles an hour and like bring his very best. Um, and just like wearing that hard hat and carrying that lunch pail. Like, there's no other speed of Dylan. Like he is himself. He will be singing horribly Taylor Swift as we get off the bus. Um, and he'll be coming as strong as right with the shoulder down. So no, he's. He's as good a friend as you can have. Uh, we're really, really excited for him. He's getting married next month, which is really, um, awesome. Um, It's also the added benefit of his fiance went to Brown, so we know her really well, and we obviously enjoy seeing them out in New York City. Um, and Dylan's family is amazing. I mean, when he's talking about his parents, I just start laughing because it's nobody puts baby in a corner. It's Lynn Molloy's take on Dylan, so I'm not stunned that he ended up out of Oronelvo and into St. Anthony's. Um, but Dylan's as good a guy as you can find, and the reality is... You know, as the memories fade, like what I remember of Dylan isn't the Toratons and, and like accolades, it's him at Chipotle with like a dumb grin on his face as he just absolutely dummies, you know, a double steak burrito, or it's just him out, you know, with the boys and the way he treats everyone, you know, first guy on the bench, last guy on the bench, um, just a really, really good guy to have in your corner and no doubt why he was captain Dylan. Is there anything you might like to add to your answer at this juncture? Yeah, as you can tell, me and Kemp went through a lot and, you know, as he says, I'm the less serious one. I think we always accounted him as the brains behind the operation and we could, you know, when shit's going down, we can rely on Larkin to come up with a solution, uh, and be the more serious adult in the room and, you know, playing with him, uh, against him in practice and going to school with him, you obviously see every, every shade. and Kemper was awesome to kind of just be a fly in a lot of those situations and see how he reacts in his more serious, uh, I guess mentality. But no, Larkin is, was great during school. Uh, now in the city, when I got to hang out with him and see him, it was amazing. He took a brief period in Cali prior to this, uh, away from us. So it was great to have him back with the guys, but, now getting up to Grange Connecticut is always great too. So hopefully he gets back here shortly. but no, I totally blacked out on my first answer, and then he outdid me. So now I'm screwed. Yep, you are. No question. Hey, uh, Jay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, uh, take the bull by the horns here and we're gonna, we're gonna, uh, before we leave this issue of relationships and go onto your professional careers, talk about Chipotle or something, let's go, no, no, no. Let's go. Uh, let's go to the parking lot. Okay. Because I love gonna the parking lot in all, honestly, in all honesty, like, There's a bunch of guys up in that parking lot who played lacrosse. All like we weren't all teammates. It's kind of a random collection of misfits up there. And, uh, I'm, I'm among the misfits, but like how for Ron, for our listener, not everybody who's listening went to Brown. So if you could explain to our audience, what on earth you're even talking about the parking lot, it's like taking someone to the woodshed. Thank you. Well, it is. Well, there's that too. Well, I mean, for those of you who are not used to the or familiar with the facility at Brown, there's a parking lot that overlooks the field. And if you get to the certain corner of the parking lot, you can see over the fence onto the field. Um, and you can, you know, have. certain beverages out there that aren't allowed inside the stadium. So a group of us have never actually been inside the new beautiful, like 20 million facility. We stay out in the parking lot and we, uh, offer certain commentary, certain observations about the opponent. Um, and so I'm just interested in in the players perspective on what's happening up there and how Ron just wants to know if you can hear his big loud voice, they can hear me. And if he's affecting the referees interested in any any memories. What that group might have meant to you guys during that 16 run in particular, I'm happy to expand on this. And if okay, I'd also like to kind of use it as a little bit of a recruiting pitch because it is that time of year. And I think our game day atmosphere in our alumni networks, a huge piece of kind of what makes us different. I think nice, nice, you know, playing at Brown. It's unique in that, you know, you, you have to earn the respect of the town. Like it's not necessarily a sports town the way Boston may be or others where, but, and this is a fairly large, but as you start to win, as Dylan starts to run by guys and throw it in the net, what we have, which no one else does, in my opinion, in the parking lot is a huge piece of that is almost this woodstock type feel of it's a big moment. And you get both sides jammed in, in terms of the stadium and then the parking lot, it almost feels like you're on top of that kind of one side of the 6v6 defense. So to answer your question, dawg, yes, yes, we can hear you. You're a huge part, you and the boys, um, and the adult beverages, if I might add, are a huge piece of what we do. Um, but to kind of give a more polished take, when ESPN sits down and they say, Hey, of the eight teams who are hosting in 2021, who's going to play at night in the 8 p. m. slot? Like Brown State University got that game, and that's a pretty cool thing. Like I think that, you know, people don't realize, you know, five Ivy League teams hosted that year. We doubled up in attendance, literally every other school. So if you're a recruit listening and thinking about we got a guy on the line who literally want to tour a time like Brown is the type of place you can come, you can win and as you build it, the city will come and support you and the alums will be there and, you know, we pack it out. I think back to when we hosted Hopkins in the round of 16 and the Navy in the quarters. I mean, two of the two of the better sporting events, you know, I've been a part of not just because I was playing, but just the feel. I mean, people literally like tearing down the fences because they wouldn't, you know, selling more tickets from our capacity. So, you know, it's awesome, man. We love playing at CVP. We think it's a huge home field advantage, and we look forward to the boys getting to go in the spring. Beautiful. Beautiful. That's why Dylan keeps me around, by the way. So he can stay on mute and I can handle that one. 100%. No break out sessions for me, Kemper. You're our guy. That Hopkins game was one of the most fun things. And I'm just going to, Jay, I'm going to reflect on one of my fondest memories was that I knew that game was over. When Hopkins is warming up on the parking lot end of the field, and they have water boys in the warm up lines, and we're making certain observations about how soft you have to be to have water boys in the line drills before the game. It was pretty much game over and Dylan, I loved how they were still shutting you off with a shorty with, you know, 10 minutes to go. And you were like seven and four. I'm like, no, stick with, stick with that strategy. It seems to be working for you. 17, let's go with it. Let's go with it. That's true. He's got too much ego. I'd say that to his face. That was not a good plan that day. All right, nice. Jay, let's move on to the professional career of these two great players. Absolutely. We wanted to focus on the early days and high school and then college, but both of you guys have played in the professional ranks. And let's start with you, Larkin. Now you're a business school student at Stanford. How would you compare and contrast your time in the MLL compared to the PLL? Great question. Um, well, first and foremost, the quality of the ball is really, really high. Like, I think that as a defensive player, you know, when you're in college or at the high school level, you're typically worried about like one, two or three ball carrying matchups. Like your entire defense is skewed to, Hey, let's stop this guy. The reality of roller cross is it's happening so quickly and they're coming so damn hard and in waves. And every single guy there can beat a pole and can dodge hard both directions. And I think that. Like when I think about pro lacrosse and it's a little different than just my experience because, you know, I started work and I, you know, handily, you know, wasn't in the type of mental state or like physical shape that you need to be to play that level. But my experience is only positive in that I think the quality of the ball has never been higher. Like when I watch a PLL game, I'm like. Gosh, darn, these guys can really, really play, um, and you know, what I want for them is just to be given the platform and the opportunity to make a real living and to be able to do it the way they deserve to. I mean, these guys are just so good at their craft, um, and people, you know, need to understand, I mean, it's, it is so hard to make a roster. There's so few slots, um, especially at certain positions where, you know, you don't, it's not like MIDI or something where there's like five or six guys dressing on every team. Um, You know, to use a brown guy as an example, I mean, Jack Kelly is one of eight goalies who gets to, you know, see rubber in that league and like, just what an accomplishment coming back from the injuries he did and to get back to the top of the mountain. But in terms of, you know, how I look back on my experiences, like, I just remember the boys in the room and like, how, you know, the brotherhood and the relationships, the MLL, like, I think it's a lot of. Like us against the world and kind of like boys in the boat in that league and that, you know, whether it be like resources or the way you're treated or, you know, all those buzzwords that people across y'all about, like, I don't really worry about that stuff. I just look at it as I get a fly somewhere with my best friends and get a cover guys. I like idolized growing up. I mean, what a thrill. Like, it's just a literal thrill. Um, right. You know, when I played with Boston, a guy who retired actually today to give him his kudos. I mean, Brody Merrill's like. You know, he's like my idol, right? So to sit in a stall next to that guy and like tie your cleats and run out the tunnel, it's a pretty, pretty cool thing. Um, and people can say whatever they want about the reality of like the compensation and that type of stuff. But what. You play sports to get to the top of the mountain to be like, I'm the best at what I do, and the reality is that's what professional lacrosse is. So, like, I take a ton of pride in that. Uh, and I look back on it with only positive memories. That's great. And Dylan, how about you? You know, obviously you played for both leagues. Um, how would you compare the two? The M. L. L. And the P. L. O. Um, I mean, I was at different stages, so it's hard to fully compare. I mean, coming out of college with your buddies, Uh, I think there was like four different Brown guys, like Yazo, uh, girl, me, tell it all on the Florida launch at one point and Chaz Woodson. Uh, so coming out based in Florida, going out in Delray and Boca after the games, like there was nothing better. Like it was an amazing time. Toilet with my roommate in college and roommate on the road, uh, for the Florida launch of, you know, that was a really fun time and could be a little bit more of a degenerate still had, you know, great stick skills, pretty handy. Um, You know, down the road in the PLL, you know, with a full time job, like Larkin kind of alluded to, it's a lot tougher. Um, and the lineup has definitely gotten a lot more serious with guys coming out of school every year and like, Doug, can you hear Dylan? We can hear you. We can't hear Dylan. No. Okay. Maybe he can. I felt like that was going to be good there too. Dang it. You know. Probably was good. Larkin's like forced him to help his game. The funniest part about this is he's giving like a three minute answer that he's all proud of. He's still going to realize somebody text him. I got it. Oops. How are we doing? Dude? That sounds like a good answer was brewing there. Let me think about where I was at. No, you, you were at, you know, it gets harder when you're in the, at this stage, PLL, you've got a job and then the guys coming out of college every year, they're so hard to make a roster. Yeah, I think you were just starting that perfect. Um, yeah, so going into the pillow a little later in my career, um, you know, realizing that there's no spots to spare. And so many guys are coming in each year out of school. You know, it's definitely the competition is insane. The lineups can really change at a second notice and, you know, no one's missing a beat. So there's definitely a lot more, Of a threat in this league, and it makes it for, you know, a hell of a training camp and a lot of fun when you get out there, like Larkin was saying, like. The skillset is even better. And I guess guys are getting paid more day, more nowadays and being able to do more full time lacrosse, I guess, technically. So I think that's really showing,, and the PLL, I will say does a great job with social media for those guys that want to go down that route and maybe make more of a living off. You know, clinics and kind of potentially coaching. you know, I think there's a lot of guys like Jules Hennenberg I started with in Florida launch. I've seen him take off of his own kind of academy and continuing to kind of ride the PLL, which they want to foster these types of players. You know, Paul Rabel, I think, had to do it more so on his own and was so successful at it. So I think he's trying to make this league, you know, more friendly to that type of career. And really blossom the game as well as just kind of show the players and our talent, which. I think they're doing a really cool job, you know, with the, all the filming behind the net and like, I think, on players chest now. I think Schreiber is wearing something the other day. So that aspect of the game is all new. We're in transition to, uh, JML and let's do that. Today's JML minute. Is inspired by what both of our guests have said. They have discussed the skill level at the PLL being at an elite level. And they've also discussed how many of these professional players are starting their own academies that are all in person. Now if you are not proximal to those locations, if you cannot get to them. That's where the J McMahon lacrosse app comes into play. It is something that your son or daughter can use. Wherever they are. All over the country. It's an app that they would download on their phone. And then the training is right there at their fingertips. Many of our prior guests all being college lacrosse coaches Said that players need to develop a skill or ability that just pops on the field. That is, they need to develop their game. I asked you, what is your game? When I played, I could shoot on the run very well. I could shoot out of the roll Dodge with the best of them. And as Dom storage has said, I developed a blazing shot from the outside. And then as that outside shot grew. I became more proficient at making off-ball moves such as the hitching go top side or the hitch and roll so I could get more of those outside shots. I practiced over and over again. So I became highly skilled and proficient And at those particular shots and moves, I learned from watching other players on the few playoff games that were on cable. Back in the 1980s. We take those games, and tape them. On to VHS,, players and watch and practice those moves, just as they were happening out on the field. And it took a very long time because some of what we were learning was not the most proficient ways to do things. Today, we've got technology on our side. And you can learn things much more quickly than we could back then. And back to you, had you developed your game and your style. It starts with, self-awareness become aware of your strengths. And want to become aware of what is working and what is not working and go from there. For example, Andy towers, who I had the pleasure of playing with for many years. I was a great Dodger and shooter on the run. And then he developed a skill when defenders would try to shut him off of back cutting his man for feeds from his teammates. And he eventually parlayed that skill and to great off-ball play. It became very good on the crease. He developed a knack for finding seams in the defense, shielding his defender with his large frame and finishing at the net. Uh, acquiring skills that you need starts by working on your own in your backyard or at a local field. And while you're doing that, you want to have the benefit of the technology that we're talking about. So using technology to accelerate your path to improvement. Now the Jim McMahon lacrosse app is designed to help you do just that. On the app, we have a free mini course. On three types of shooting, which are stepped down shots or outside shots shooting on the run and shooting from the crease. Along with the instructional videos on this free course, we have drills that you can use to perfect these skills. And when you're ready, you can move on to our paid programming. We have the go from good to great course. Uh, six week journey that has all the skills, lacks, IQ and mindset information that I've learned from playing under great coaches like Dom stars. Yah. And playing with great players like Andy towers and coach large, Tiffany. On top of all that I've been coaching with lacrosse for over 20 years and have put all that knowledge onto the app. Now. The course has six weekly sections each section is 30 to 40 minutes long. And you follow the 10 minute videos so you'd get, say three or four, 10 minute videos per week. And then the drills you'd follow up with that and look to perfect. The skills. And I know from a fact having had many other players use this training course itself can absolutely transform your game. So go ahead and download. The J McMahon lacrosse app on the apple app store. Or if you have an Android phone at the Google play. Uh, app section. That you would simply type in J a Y M C M a H O N. Lacrosse. And download it. And as, our guests, Dylan Malloy and Larkin camp had said. Skills mindset and lax iq are really exponentially growing in the game of lacrosse and that's what this app is designed to help you do now we will return to our interview in progress But, I mean, at the end of the day, playing lacrosse is lacrosse. And like Larkin said, suiting up with these guys is so fun. And I think..., people are just trying to ride out as long as they can to get in that locker room and continue getting to go out with the boys after a win. So, it is so much fun and, you know, I think we're both grateful to be able to play for however long we could after college, not realizing, you know, there was a locker room that could potentially, overtake the fun we had in college and continue to kind of have that, you know, I guess relationship with the guys. Right. That's great. Now, do you think, obviously there's eight teams now, do you think the talent level is big enough to say have 10 teams without any drop off or maybe more than that? Oh my god, yeah. I think yeah, you definitely have 10. After this next year of all like the COVID guys coming out and like even bigger groups now, like it's crazy like how many talented players in D1 that are either going to have to dislodge a lot of good players or maybe not see as much burn as you would think. Like in the M. O. L. if you're coming out. You know, if you're getting drafted, you're basically playing, I think. Yeah. It's one of the really sad parts is that as hopefully the business legitimizes and grows is like how to operate it is a very different question than the one you asked, which is are there talented enough players to field like 10, 20 teams, all of which would be really high level. Absolutely. I mean the types of players that are getting left in the healthy scratch box and or not even in the league anymore. It's insane. Like these kids are, you know, generationally good. Some of the best players ever play at their school. Like. You know, we could basically, I could go to the East River on Sunday morning and like pull a men's league team that is like really, really good. So it's totally, and the good news is that just means the sport's in a really, really good place. Um, and the, the top product that the fans see at that level will be exceptional. That's great. Now we've got our roving reporter, Steve Grisalfi, waiting in the wings for some special questions and a special format. Hey, guys, yeah, so, you know, thanks for doing this podcast. And, in honor of our collective alma mater, we created a segment called Pass Fail. And, in this segment, it's kind of a speed round. I'm going to throw out some topics and, I'll ask each of you to either pass or fail the topic and then maybe follow up with some commentary. So the first topic in pass fail is talking smack and going hard at the alumni game, pass or fail. Larkin, you go first. That's a hard pass for me. That's my Super Bowl. Um, I'm alumni game guy. Um, and I, by the way, I give it like full 60 minutes. Like that's, I mean, I'm still playing, which is crazy. Dylan sometimes hits it too hard the night before and only plays for like a quarter. Which is nuts, but that's passed for me, I think. I don't know if you agree, Forrest. Yeah, um, I've had a bad showing because this year is right before my wedding. So that's TBD and last year we didn't show up. So, you know, I bailed. But the four years before that, I loved it and I go really hard, I think. But, you know, when you're going against an organized defense that scouts us and you're the one Dodger that everyone's relying on. It's very difficult to play. Uh, so I definitely don't show up. Sounds like you. Yeah. That was kind of whining. Yeah. Especially after 10 minutes. Like, I basically said that you only go one speed. And you just like... That was back in the day. Hey, I'm just saying when you show up and they're scouted. And you know, we're all kind of hung over. It's, you're just not getting your best. I'm trying out there, but it's brutal. It's the night before that was different, right? That's the new element you have to take. All right. All right. So the second topic in pass fail is the NCAA transfer portal. Do you guys give that a pass or a fail? Well, I have a sophisticated answer. Do you, if you want to go quick on something, you're just got on it. No, I don't like it because of COVID. So I'll say fail. Nice. Yeah, this one's tough. So I. I think the portal is a mess. I think that the dangers of the portal, like the net outcome of people just like transfer, you know, we now have football players who play for three or four different schools. Um, and the reality of that is really sad, but, and this is a fairly large but, the portal is an outcome of the try to get the players paid and the NIL and everything that's going on in terms of like the football and basketball money and what's happening with the TV deals. So I do believe that, like, I'm a huge anti NCAA guy. I think that that whole organization, for a long time, kind of got a pass and, like, was borderline corrupt. And I think that we're in a better place now with the Super Leagues forming and some things that are happening in terms of, like, taking care of the players. Like, if you play... Offensive tackle at Ohio State. Like you shouldn't not be able to eat. Like I'm a believer in that you're bringing too much money in. Um, so I just don't know how to stop it. There isn't a perfect answer. Like I don't, you know, why, if a coach can leave in the middle of the night and you committed to the school for a coach You, the player, have to be burdened with sitting outta here. So I, I think there's a lot of those questions. So I, I think it's a really complicated answer and like, I, I don't, I don't think there's any perfect solution. Did we just transition to 60 minutes or, I mean, what the hell, the hell just happened there? God, I think about that a lot, Ron. I know we touched on this early. Dylan was dozing off over there. He's just like, what is he talking about? Yeah, Dylan mentioned this earlier in the podcast, but a pass fail topic is club lacrosse being prioritized over your high school team pass or fail. So I just think it's all situational, right? If you grow up in,, rural Illinois and you want to play better hockey, you focus on the club, right? If you grow up it. In Garden City, New York, you can just play in your K 8 and then go to the high school and still play at UNC or Brown if you need to, so I just think it's so much dependent on your circumstance. I'll just answer it as a pass with respect to just find a coach who cares about you and like play with good players and develop through practice and hard work and like whether that's school or club, it can be either. Like. There's good guys all throughout the game. That's a great answer. I think it's a pass. You can't fail that. Alright, we'll go on to the next. Good answer, Dylan. I like that. That was one where Dylan took my problem set and then put his name at the top. Laughter. Okay, next pass fail topic is NCAA Enhancing Coaches Challenges Using Video Replay. I mean, that was insane. That was crazy. Penn State for sport in a moment, like our, like where we need those weekends to succeed to get that call wrong. It was just devastating. Like I felt so bad for that defense and those kids who like poured their heart into it. But, uh, no, I mean, I'm a huge believer. Like if tennis has the technology that every single shot, you know, if it's in or out, like, how can we not figure out on the ESPN games to get like two birds I've used to know if it's in the crease or not. Like, it's so simple, like it's so simple. And I don't even think it should be. I think you should take it away from the strategy of coach of like, Oh, do I challenge here versus not? And like burn a timeout or lose my challenge. Like I literally just think close plays, like the ref should have the opportunity to take a look. Like, it's pretty simple. I like it. Dylan, you concur. Need it pass. I like crack up at his answers. It's so funny. Yeah, you're doing really well, but I haven't heard these in a while and the spin zone is amazing. Maybe Steve, we need to let Dylan go first next time. Maybe, you know, we're getting down to brass tacks with the important questions here. So, uh, the next pass fail topic is. Lacrosse road trip boxed lunches pass or fail. What did you guys think about that? Well, you had to eat on the way to Cornell. I'm pass. So we're cool. Even with the man, not being a diva, good on you. I think that's one we should be a little bit better at, if you want my honest take. I think Ron agrees with you there. Kimber, remember how we got like McDonald's? We were able to get McDonald's before Bucknell. We got our ass kicked and it was like never allowed to stop ever again. Yeah, you guys were like this. Lars walks into a rest stop in the middle of rural Pennsylvania and we got like legitimate starters throwing down three Big Macs and like... And then we got rolled by about 15, the next day at noon, I feel like you and I are like, we're just simple guys. Just give us a sandwich. You're fine. Like, don't like, don't make a big deal about it. Right. I wish I could go back to the ratty man. Fuck. I got to pay you like 20 bucks for a sandwich in New York. I just want the buffet. Hey, Ratatouille. All right, well, speaking of Lars, that's a good segue into the last pass fail topic. Lars Tiffany's vegan diet, pass or fail? Fail. Do it. Hard fail. Bill, you can go first. You gotta take into account the farts Hey, he was my lifting partner for my freshman year. He didn't do too bad, so I'll let him live. Let him do what he wants. All right, so let's get the pass. All right, guys, you know, thank you guys very much. You guys both had careers at Brown where, they would one day be justified in retiring your jerseys. And I got to say that I can kind of relate to that because, My jersey was retired, but while I was still wearing it, gave it to someone else. Is that what happened? Yeah. I mean, it may as well have been hanging from the rafters, right? If we were playing Syracuse, I was, I was in my like street clothes underneath that big brown warmup. It happened guys. It was a real thing. Well, thanks so much guys. This has been awesome. Great having you guys on really appreciate it. Yeah, it was awesome. Thanks for everything you're doing. This is great. This was a ton of fun. And, and guys that spring of 16 was some of the most fun I've ever had. It really was. It was so fricking awesome. Yeah, that's great. It'll live forever. Alright guys, See you guys.

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until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine. We're signing off here at the Get the LAX coop. Thanks again so much. We will see you the next time.