S1 E30. Ever True: USILA 1st Team All Americans, Dylan Molloy & Larken Kemp, Part II.

Outside of USA Lacrosse CEO, Marc Riccio,  over our twenty eight episodes, we have interviewed coaches almost exclusively. But this time around we’re switching gears and interviewing two exceptional players from the collegiate and professional ranks: Dylan Molloy and Larken Kemp!

Molly, who plays in the PLL for the Atlas Lacrosse Club, was the 2016 Tewaaraton winner, leading Division 1 lacrosse in points and assists and was second in goals (with sixty- two) to his Brown teammate Kylor Bellistri who beat him by one goal with sixty three. 

Kemp, who played for the Redwoods LC of the PLL,  holds the record for most caused turnovers in a D1 men’s lacrosse game with eight, tied with three other players. He also holds the record for most points, goals, assists, and caused turnovers by a long pole in Brown Men’s Lacrosse history. 

Both players were three time All Americans at Brown and leaders of the 2016 Brown Men’s Lacrosse that went to the Final Four. The team played in an exciting and memorable semi-final matchup versus the University of Maryland.  The Bears came back, tying the score in thrilling fashion to force overtime before falling to the Terrapins in sudden death 14-13.

In this second installment of our three-part interview series we hear of Molloy & Kemp’s recruiting experience, their triumphs and some tribulations, their exciting high school careers, and what their playing days at Brown and their relationship was like. They also share some salient information for young players today. This is an interview you won’t want to miss!  

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Jay: 0:00

It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you all the people and stuff you should know. In the game of lacrosse, we take LAX seriously, but ourselves, not so much. Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird, and the biggest names in the game. Brought to you by Jay McMahon lacrosse. That's J M L Skills, mindset, and LAX IQ training. Ron Doish, the big dog, was a collegiate football and lacrosse player at Brown. He was also an assistant lacrosse coach and the executive director of the sports found. and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, a three time All-American Midfielder Brown. He was a captain of the US Junior National team and is the founder of J M L. And joining us in the studio, Steve gfi, who's collegiate lacrosse career statistics equals one goal against Dartmouth. Jml skills. Mindset and LAX IQ training, helping the next generation cross players. Get to the next level.

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Hello everyone. And welcome back to the show. We're excited to bring you part two of our interview series with first team, all Americans, Dylan, Malloy, and Larkin Kemp. You will find our interview in progress Yeah, I mean, Dylan, you kind of answered this next part of the question I was going to ask, because you're so prescient, you know, and you, I mean, you can just see into the future, but, that's where those assists came from. But,, I'm wondering, if there's anything more, you know, you guys have stayed so close to the game play at a high level. I'm sure people are asking you guys all the time as you see how the game continues to grow and what's happening in recruiting today. Is there any advice you'd give to, you know, kids who are now where you were in that sophomore, junior year and they're grinding away and they're trying to get noticed. Any other advice you'd give them? I think having fun is the biggest thing. Like, Kem can attest to it, because I'm always laughing and having a good time. And if you're not, you know, that's kind of when you start to question it. I don't think, you know, going through seven camps, three tournaments, or, you know, leaving all your friends every weekend to go play professional lacrosse, like, it's... If it's not fun, it's not really worth it. So, you know, having those giggles and kind of keeping it light, I think has always gone a long way for me, you know. Um, my whole college career, I was listening to Blank Space by Taylor Swift messing around in the locker room before games. Like, you know, I think that's really important. It all depends on who you are. Some people are a little bit more serious than that, but like, once you get on the field, it is what it is and you got to bash heads. But, um, I think just keeping it light and enjoying it and not thinking everything's like the final moment, the final test. If this doesn't happen, you know, I'm, I'm out of luck. So I think that, um, always kind of knowing that there's a path for everyone and just have fun with it. Um, I think it's always kind of kept me calm in those, in those tougher situations and any adversity maybe. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I think to build off that and shockingly good answers out of you, Dylan, I really like what you're bringing to the table tonight. Um, I think the biggest thing when you get caught up in, in the, in kind of the rat race and you start to feel the pressure, you see kids committing and you're doing the mental math of like, Hey, this is my dream school or my dream league, and there's not many spots left and you're kind of going through this process, you know, the biggest thing, what I try and tell kids is listen. You got to focus on yourself. You got to just look at it, man, in the mirror is like, Hey, how do I get a little bit better? How do I start contributing to my summer team or my JV or my, Hey, how do I, you know, just start helping our offense, like beat a short stick, draw a slide, throw it forward because the reality is these college coaches are really, really good at finding talent. And if you get to the level where you can help them, like this is their job, this is life and death. Right, and they will find you, like, they will come knocking on your door, and I think that specifically parents look at it as this, like, chess game of, hey, how do I almost, like, how do we win the moment and almost, like, hoodwink the staff and steal a spot? And it's the opposite, it's, hey, how do I Larkin Kemp? Get a little bit better at something that could differentiate whether it's like knockdowns or the way I recover, the way I communicate like little tiny things that can make you stand out in this kind of mosh pit of decently athletic but unorganized summer lacrosse. That's great. So I think that's what you have control over. Right? That's all you got. As you said, sometimes parents might think, Oh, I can manipulate the system. I can do this or that. It's a chess match. But I think what you just said really, really hits the nail on the head there. That's great. And then what Dylan said too is one of the things that's taught often in Mindset is like, Don't ever tell yourself it's do or die. You know, this is it. You know, you want to make every practice, every game super important, but it's not. You know, the be all end all because, you know, because you guys don't perform well in that the, to answer your question for Dylan about how the JV chip continues to wear on him. Dylan, Dylan, the way he practices and he is unapologetically himself at all times. And he practices harder and dodges more frequently than any primary ball carrier I've ever met at that level. And what I mean by that for kids at home is like, typically if you're like a first team, all American type, You're basically like dodging once or twice a practice waiting till six is late when it's like one's, you know, top D versus top O, you're working through man up, like you're kind of like tinkering, Dylan is literally going 1000 miles an hour, which is to me, it's kind of that like chip on the shoulder Long Island mindset of like, hey, you know, F you shaman, I'd like you didn't think I was good enough in 10th grade. Well, I'm just gonna go like lead the country in points. And he the consistency at which he dodges like that is his greatest weapon, like the way The reality of covering Dylan is that you're gonna get four quarters of him going a thousand miles an hour shoulder down And that's just that's a high mental burden for any defenseman to wear. That's great. That's that's great advice now Larkin Tell us about your process a little bit. You got it got into it a little bit with the recruiting But let's say more what about Brown attracted you compared to other schools. Yeah, so so mine

Larken: 6:02

honestly My entire life, my parents were like, listen, if you ever get good enough that one of the best schools wants you to come, like, we are taking it in 10 seconds.

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Like, you basically, A, have no say, B, like, you know, we're going to just like rank order them. Um, you know, that's basically just how my mom rolls. But the reality is what I kind of realized as the lacrosse opportunity. So kind of the hockey door closed and the lacrosse opportunity started opening up. Um, and what I realized in that moment is like, what I really loved was playing. Like I wanted to be a part of the pulling on the rope. And, um, not to get into too much, but one of our current rivals who I will not give any thought or credit to, so I won't say their name on this podcast. I just felt like they were looking at me as an academic spot and like barely kind of knew who I was as a player. And it just didn't feel like a great fit, even though they were offering me. Um, and I felt like the biggest thing for me and Lars was, it was the perfect. You know, not to give names, but basically we had Roger Ferguson, Sam Ford, and Claydell Prince graduating. And we had a guy in Lars who really felt like he knew my game, and he was more or less telling me that, like, listen, no guarantees, but if you come in here and earn it, like, we're, we're gonna play you early, you know, we got a kid taller than Canada, but like, we have spots available, and we feel like we have talent on campus and talent in your class. Um, and a lot of that stuff really excited me, and I think that... The other big thing, you know, Brown, Brown State, alums like yourselves, um, Brown is different. Like, it is not Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, and we are unapologetically proud of that. And I think that coming from where I come from and being, you know, dealing with some of the negative stereotypes, um, of growing up in Greenwich and having parents who work in finance and things like that, like, I really wanted to row in a different direction. And I wanted to kind of like build my own legacy and do something different. Brown's the best decision I ever made, and that's what I tell every single recruit I talk to. Nice. Love it. Love it. Now, as a follow up, I know Coach Tiffany and Kerwin were just kind of starting that high paced, innovative offense pretty much when you guys got on campus. Is that right? Or when did they start that up? Yeah, so, to give you, like, I kind of tell the, the narrative has in my opinion been somewhat convoluted by the media, but like, basically what really happened is we had a kid from Setauka, New York, show up as a freshman who we needed to dodge and dodge with pace, so I think that even as freshman We had a guy named Steve Boyle was our offensive coordinator at the time, but we, Lars and the staff were thinking about ways of, Hey, how can we get Dylan into more space? How can we play fours or fives or six? Like, basically, how can we not let Andy Shea's defense get set and get into, um, you know, what they're really good at, which is slide and recover, which basically everyone in our league is. So it was the perfect timing of we had the right ball carrier growing up and maturing, and then we had Sean Kirk Carlin come in. Who Mike Daly's had a ton of success at Tufts. They were scoring a bajillion goals like Ryan won a Maddie for him that Dylan can talk to. And Sean basically came in with the footprint of, Hey, this is what we do up there. Like, we're just going to do this with Dylan on the half wall and Dylan coming hard from X. And he's going to draw leverage because he's the best shoulder, bolt dodge, you know, primary ball carrier I've ever seen. And we got Kyler inside. So there was a lot of things that fell into place. Like, I think that. You know, as we've seen, Lars doesn't only play fast. Don't be so self deprecating, because you were a big part of that too, right? He wanted you staying on the field, he wanted you attacking the goal, you had to assist and whatnot. Maybe assist to Dylan even, who knows? We couldn't have done it without the defense and the face off and the goalie play, so. Right, Will Girl, yeah. Well, well, Jack Kelly was the first team, but yeah, I don't tell us as good as he gets and he's still playing at the highest level. I mean, I think we had a lot of pieces. Um, and you know, the way we always looked at it as a rope unit, gers included and kel thrown outlets over the top is like, hey, If we can catch their own middies on, right? If we can make Tom Schreiber, Conor Busek be the hot guy having to slide to Dylan's face, and have to be a part of two minutes of defense, like, we are in such a better position as an offensive group. Um, and I think that... A lot has, like, come out of it and been talked about in terms of, like, the way we kept pulls on and where we set picks and, like, all these different games we played. But, like, if you really break it down, like, the actual concept is just that we're gonna get the ball on the deck, like, we're gonna try and take it away, and we're gonna throw the first three over and just create structured lanes of, you know, where we're crash fall, like, basically, where we're crashing, where we're ceiling, and then we're just gonna let Dil play off that. Like, that is literally what that offense was. Um... And the reason it's brilliant, obviously, is because, A, it's really hard to play on ball defense when you don't know where your help's coming from. So, like, if I come set a seal pick and there's an omid off that, like, when he goes into that Mary Hedge mental game, it also makes Dylan's hover more challenging. So, it gains a little bit of leverage, and this guy doesn't need any leverage. Like, he can beat best defenseman in the world with no help. So if you give him a little bit of mental health, so yeah, I mean, that's really, that's where it started. Dylan Larkin, Larkin doesn't, Larkin doesn't really think about the game at all. I guess he's kind of a, he's kind of a roll it out and play kind of guy. He doesn't really like to analyze what's happening apparently. In the spin zone and the shark tank. Yeah, this is what he does. I, I don't think much about the game, but if he wants to set those pigs, it works. So, uh, whatever mumbo jumbo he wants to use. If he wants to come down and set a pig for me, that's fine. I'll take it. I'll use it. Yeah. So, Dylan, why don't you tell us, like, what, what, how did you make the choice to go to Brown? Like, what was it that attracted you, um, to make that decision? I mean, admissions, man. Um, being able to get into a school like Brown, like, that was a dream come true. I wasn't highly recruited, honestly, at this point. Like I said, it was before even varsity lacrosse started for me. Um, and when I met Lars, it was at like a backfield that, uh, Towson at a top 205. And I don't think, I think he was the only coach wearing his like weird freaking, uh, sandals and sun hat. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like a random game no one wanted to be at. And I happened to have a good day. And then after that, he was, he was following up with me, calling me, trying to talk to me. And it wasn't even, uh, It wasn't, uh, September 1st yet, so I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I gotta see what's going on here first. Like, I don't know what else is gonna happen. Um, and then just totally hit it off with Lars. I had kind of known the Brown campus. My brother looked at it before going to Tufts. Um, and my parents were obviously involved in that, really wanting him, who was probably The smarter Malloy, um, and he loved Brown and really wanted to go to Brown. So I kind of followed in those footsteps and was like, Hell, everyone seems to love it. Like, I got to go check this out again. And, you know, talking to Lars, like he remembers like every single play and every single detail and is like so sincere and genuine. When, when I was getting recruited, I was like, Holy crap. Like, this is gonna be an awesome situation. I can get into Brown. Um, Lars is great. You know, the campus is like kind of small. Oh, you know. Big momma's boy didn't want to go too far for school. Uh, Chipotle right on freakin Main Street. You know, everything was kind of coming together for me. Um, so, you know, this is when I was going into 11th grade, so I had no idea what my ACT score was eventually going to be, but I was like, um, sign me up until otherwise. Uh, and kind of everything worked out. And, you know, like Larkin said, it was the best decision we ever made. Brown was a thrill. It was unbelievable. And, you know, like I said, the lacrosse is the cherry on top. Like... We all looked at Brown when we were going there saying, I hope it's the best decision for us and I hope we do well. But I, they were like 500 I think, if I remember correctly, Ken, but I don't know really what they were. I don't think their records were very great when we were committing and stuff. But you know, once we got there, everything kind of fell into place and the right coaches came and the right players were buying in. Um, so it was awesome. But, uh, VARs was definitely one of my first interested coaches at kind of one of the schools that I was. Uh, you know, willing to go to him. Like I said, I was, I was reaching for the top for the educational purposes. Um, you know, Ivies were kind of what I wanted and he was the first one to kind of have any faith in me. And, you know, that, that really boded well with me. And until I was already committed, I got some calls. But, you know, that just made me more determined to score goals on, on those Ivies in our games. That's great.

Jay: 14:37

How about if we transition to. J m l and let's do that. We'll get into a little bit of the mindset.

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As our guests, Dylan Malloy, just inferred. He was not a highly sought after recruit. In fact, very few schools responded to his emails or even came to watch him play. This is a player who in his junior year at brown would lead the nation in points and assists and was one goal shy of leading the nation and gold scored. He went on to win the Torah on trophy that junior year in 2016, given annually to the nation's most valuable player. As well as leading brown lacrosse to championship weekend. And for those who don't remember, and that final four contest. He played on a broken foot. He had a broken fifth metatarsal bone, and yet he managed to score two big goals As brown lost to Maryland in an overtime thriller. At that final four weekend. As we've often said on this show, and as we teach our players at Jane McMahon lacrosse, It's not what happens to you in life. It's how you respond to it. At J McMahon lacrosse. Is an app that your son or daughter can put on their phone and there's free training on there. As well as paid programming. Uh, for the free mini course on shooting, you'd simply go to the apple app store and type in J a Y. M C M a H O N. And the word lacrosse. And you could do the same at Google play. And download the app and check out that training. Now Dr. Rob Gilbert, one of our sports performance resources likes to say on his success hotline, which is a daily three minute recorded message. That's linked on our show notes and that is free. That there's two types of people in the world. Those who when confronted with adversity or disappointment? I get frustrated. And those who get fascinated. Naturally those who get frustrated are reacting negatively to the situation or circumstance. Whereas those who get fascinated and turned on by the situation or circumstance are responding positively. And Dr. Gilbert's teaching. Is that one of the biggest keys to success is our response to challenging situations. He often likes to say life is not meant to make us happy. It is meant to challenge us. When confronting a challenging situation. Dr. Gilbert says answering three questions are of utmost importance first. What does this mean? Second? What do we choose to focus on? And third, what do we do next? As Dylan Malloy just said, after being snubbed by most schools, he responded by playing with a chip on his shoulder. So we didn't let the opinions of all these coaches. Who chose not to recruit him, decrease his belief in himself and his ability. He didn't focus on the apparent fact that they thought he couldn't contribute to their team. He didn't doubt himself, even though it sounds like they did. Instead, he continued to believe in himself and his abilities and at the same time focused on working hard on his skills and smarts and getting better each and every day. Week after week and month after month. What did it mean to Dylan? That very few coaches outside of coach Lars, Tiffany believed he could contribute to division one lacrosse. As he said, it meant that he was ready to prepare and then play to a level that proved them wrong. What. Did he do. He worked on his game. With a positive expectation that not only would he Excel at division one lacrosse, but that he would become an all time. Great. And as we heard in Dylan's introduction, That's exactly what he did. What did he do? He worked on his game. With the positive expectation that not only would he Excel at division one lacrosse, but that he would become an all-time great. And as we heard in Dylan's introduction, That's exactly what he did. So again, when confronting a challenge or disappointment, we have the choice to determine how we will respond. We choose what the setback or negative feedback means. We choose what to focus on and we choose what action we take going forward. When we respond positively maintain our belief in ourselves and act with determination towards life's challenges or often met by a high level of success. The level where dreams come true. And that's our mindset minute we'll return to our interview. In progress Larkin, I was, I was checking in with Coach Tiffany. Is it true that there is a, uh, Particular school that I think you said earlier shall not be named and you had gone on your brown visit and said, I'm going to brown and then canceled the visit to said school and a certain coach at said school that none of us would like indicated that you would never get a win against them. And he said, he said, have fun losing us for four years. And then I went four and one on him. So that is tough, isn't it? Interesting. Yeah. No, no. All is fair in love and war. I mean, that's what, I think one of the reasons we love playing at Brown is those, those Ivy League clashes. I mean, they're, they're rivalries. Like, we hate those guys. They hate us. And it's, it's, you know, it's a full blown. It's great. And it was amazing with that team, how many things came together. I mean, I think of like. Bill Belichick would be like, you gotta be strong up the middle. I mean, you had Jack Kelly, you know, you had Larkin, you had Will Girl, you had obviously Dylan, I mean, and then your side pieces are amazing, but thinking about being strong up the middle, I mean, that is, that is one heck of a middle. Now, uh, Dylan, one thing... For you, just looking at your stats, like as the years went by, your assist started leveling up to your goals, and it's amazing, especially, definitely had more assists as a sophomore, but then from sophomore to, um, that junior year where you led the nation in assists, um, you know, I've worked with a lot of kids as a skills trainer over the last couple of years, and I'm just amazed how you were able to get those, those assist numbers up so high. I mean, I know sometimes you just, Seemed to wizard at people and, and they just put it in the goal. But you must have done something to get those skills up, you know, and to change the game a little bit. And so tell us what your mentality was there and if anyone or a coach influenced you in that direction. Yeah, a couple things. Um, one, my teammates, I think caught a lot of bad balls and finished some crazy, miraculous goals. Uh, I remember a couple specifically like tul. It. Being one of the guys that probably shouldn't be throwing it to like far side or on the crease and Canadian handles, you know, being able to finish those, but obviously, Kyler Blestry and Henry Blinn, uh, got got their fair share of those two. But, uh, I think going from, you know, a goal scorer kind of coming through as a freshman to a sophomore and having. You know, I would say more of a breakout year. At least people knowing who I was and wanting to just roll back and shoot. Uh, when Kerwin came on campus, obviously watched all the film and really worked a lot with me, uh, kind of one on one. Dodging up and then having like either another coach or a goal, like kind of opposite of where I'm dodging up, let's say I get to five and five, like it'd be someone I like a step down spot on the opposite side where I would have to throw it against, uh, the net or to the coach, Lars Kyle was there and he was, uh, always helping out in these drills, but we spent a lot of time together kind of looking at where slides were coming from, where would be open like Kerwin, typical Kerwin being like the best X's and O's guys. Outside of Larkin Kent probably. Uh, and he played Priest's attack like at Tufts and had a million goals. So he just knew exactly where to put people, but he also knew exactly where it would be open, um, to kind of help steer me like pre game where to look. Um, so we spent a lot of time, uh, just on like our 1v1s. Uh, kind of throwing to those open spots and making sure I got out of the double safely because I obviously wanted to just be a battering ram and run into these people and try to score, but he kind of taught me to, uh, to think a bit about that and, and help my teammates as well as my own body. Um, so I definitely give him a ton of credit, but, um, You know, it was definitely a learning curve for a second and being like, shit, I got to back out of this and not try to dodge the double. But, you know, we were way more successful doing that and sharing the love and letting Kyler break my goal record and all that, you know, that's a ton of fun. We were winning games that didn't matter. So, you know, kudos. Kudos to, uh, Perwin and the coaching staff kind of working through that. I think they did a good job of beating the shit out of me at practice too. Like, we had some big boys on defense that I'd have to practice against every, every day. So, um, they definitely helped me with that. And there was a ton of drills that, you know, you could utilize like with dummy pads and then having a net at the top side to throw to, um, so. They'll make you pay if you don't. I gotcha. That's cool. Very cool. And Dylan, I just wanted to check on something with you. You know, a little while ago where Larkin was describing himself as, you know, he was just like the academic, the AI admit I'm, I'm, I mean, I'm having a hard time envisioning that he's your academic guy, you know, like I, I'm not trying to diminish his smarts, but, you know, I mean, this, maybe this is the thing where he, he just likes to, as he said, you know, be a little different, but I, I wasn't imagining him being your high AI guy. He is definitely an academic guy. Dylan's a sneaky wagon in the classroom, though, Doc. He, like, he gets grades. I swear he got thick base, though. That's not natural. You're a grinder, Dylan? You grinding it out at Brown? Yeah, I think I took Larkin, you know, this story I took, uh, I wanted to be an engineer or at least try to be. So I took engine, I took engine 30, which you needed to take math nine, which I was a freshman currently taking. I think this was my first semester. And then you also needed to complete math 10, which I obviously wasn't taking and never ended up taking, but I got an override for it just to take the pass fail engine 30 class. And like, I go to the first day of class and they're like, how much weight can this bridge hold? It's like ball and socket bridge. I'm like, what the F I'm like, literally it's day one. I thought I was like in an intro class, learning this, everyone's raising their hands. And after that, I knew I was screwed. Um, I literally worked for NASA and put a man on the moon. I just wanted to freaking learn how to do engineering and potentially be like a civil engineer or something. I thought it was sick. But I was starting with people that already did like. All this engineering, I guess, took college classes before because they knew the answer. That's the best thing that ever happened to you, man. And I used to have to double up. I used to have to double up TAs. Like, they could only work for two hours at a time. So I'd go to like the silo. I have one guy come for two hours, then another person come for two hours, just to get through the midterms. And Peter Scott, our walk on goalie, who's a genius, had to help me get through the class because he was in it. And it was a nightmare, but Uh, Lars loved that I persevered through it and I passed the class and like my first test it was a miserable fail and they were like, you need to reconsider, like, this is taking way too much time out of your life. Yeah, there was a really bad, there was a really questionable decision there. It's like, you're going to Brown. Why are you going to do engineering? Like what are you, out of your mind? Doug, did you take engine nine with Dean Hazeltine? Oh, yeah. So, you know, as we transitioned a little bit, you guys, beyond just the game of lacrosse, one of the things that we love to do is obviously have two guests because, you know, for Jay and I, this has been a lacrosse, helped us form a relationship. That's been a huge part of our lives. And it's really fun for us to see the connection you guys clearly had in the relationship you form, but I'd love to hear you guys talk about that. Um, what what has the relationship you guys have had mean to each other? Um, I can see by Dylan's smile that he might have some interesting observations here. Um, Larkin, so we're going to start with him, but, but also Dylan, um, what are the other, you know, is, is there another person in the game that, you know, had you not pursued lacrosse, you know, you, you really wouldn't have had this relate, you know, a certain relationship that's been super meaningful to you. Yeah, I mean, that's hard to quantify because I feel like my whole life's been lacrosse. So obviously growing up with a bunch of guys that you're still in touch with today, you still see out at your local bars or wherever you're going. Um, guys you play travel with that all went to different D one schools that you Play against, you see out and it's kind of full circle. You hate them for a brief time period. You're going against them in the recruiting trail. Um, and then now everyone's out in the same bars in New York city. So it's pretty crazy. Like if I could give any advice to anyone, I would say play on as many travel teams as possible. And you know, the best thing I ever do is branch out like. Ward Melville is super strict. You weren't allowed to play on travel teams. You had to play for the school district. Um, and I, I guess my parents didn't really care much for that. And they were like, go play for FLG. And then I played for express and you know, all those guys, like I was with a ton of garden city guys, um, ton of acid, um, all very fun people. And I still see out either. In the PLL games against me, um, with me or just in New York city. And, you know, you have a ton of mutual connections and that really helps you out later in life when it comes to jobs, when it comes to visiting other people at schools, knowing some people like It's been a crazy small world when you get to kind of going down the line and say, I played with this guy in seventh grade. Like it's, it's kind of funny. I'm sure Larkin can say the same. He played more sports than me, but, um, I can't like kind of single one person, but I think a lot of those relationships have really developed. And, you know, I could talk about our whole Brown class and know how close we all come. Uh, you know. Since being in school and being in school, you know, just recently we went on my bachelor party and it was like, we never left and it was freaking amazing in Pacific beach, San Diego. So it's hilarious how far you come. And even though you are supposed to be maturing and maybe have these big jobs or whatever it is, like once everyone gets back together, it's. It's like nothing ever changed. So, um, and I was laughing just because there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure Larkin has more funny stories about me than I do of him, but you go through a lot together. Well, whether it's in like the ranks of, you know, the Navy SEALs coming and kicking your ass and we can't get the locker room together and they're screaming their heads off at us. We were the first year to go through this and we were like, just put all your in the cubby. They're like, they wanted our like gloves hanging in a specific spot in our helmet. Me and Kemp are captains being like, what the do they want from us? Like, what are we supposed to do? And we're like out like on the field and then in the pool to like 3 a. m. It was, it's just miserable shit, but you grow from it. So it's pretty funny. And then, um, like our housing situation with our class was all up. And Kemp will call some of us like divas with amenities and stuff. So it's just really funny. As I'm sure you guys have a lot of different stories, but, you know, similar concepts of just making fun of each other and still this day, kind of giving them shit. That's great. I love it. I love it. They asked you a question, Dylan, to give me some like layup compliments and you don't say anything about me. You know, I wasn't going to mention that the foundation of the question was relationship with you. Nothing. Nothing. And he really, he came back to Brown, but the class, it was about the class, nothing about you. We not me. Yeah, it's in the class, though. So Larkin, how about your relationship with Dylan? Yeah, no, I'm happy. I'm happy. 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